(Update)Incels and redpillers finally got a win.Captain Marvel 2:The Marvels opened to 47 million over the weekend.Making it MCU worst opening ever.

[Rayzah]

As it should be.

They play the games and watch the kid friendly versions of them on YouTube. It’s for kids. Why shouldn’t it be? Why cater to adults like there’s a lack of adult oriented fantasy? Not everything has to be ceded to millennials and GenZ

Making good movies and making kids movies aren’t mutually exclusive, you can make movies like they been doing for a wide audience and still be good.

You act like they haven’t been doing both before the infinity saga ended. They made a terrible decision to pander to a tiny fanbase and they deserve all the smoke they are getting. This is the only way fans can voice their opinion on the bad decisions they are making. Our complaint wasn’t enough we have to ignore them all together when they do dumb shyt list this movie

 

[OneManGang]

The characters selected is not the problem it's the poor product they're placed in

I disagree. Using the right IP matters

 

[Standing on business]

I disagree. Using the right IP matters

Iron man, black panther, guardians and maybe even Thor weren’t household names. Nobody outside of hardcore comic heads knew about them.

 

[O.Red]

I'm a woman, who LOVES action movies with MEN OR WOMEN. You can't tell me what the fukk I like. And there are thousands of women like me. Man STFU. Unless you're prepared to tell a woman what a woman likes....I would have to ask HOW THE fukk DO YOU KNOW what a woman thinks and feels? That gender split you're talking about is artificial. Especially when you look at the audience numbers for MCU movies, and things like the Alien series or even the latest Spiderman movies. None of what you're saying makes sense to me and my fellow women sci-fit, action, anime geeks.

You're misinterpreting my points, and ignoring entire contexts trying to win an argument

I never said that women couldn't enjoy action movies, which is the reason I brought up the fact that a high number of men love Mean Girls. That doesn't change the fact that there's a difference in writing stories for male/female audiences. I don't know what the goal is in denying this but the denial is only making shyt worse for everyone

Acting like this wave of feminist writing doesn't exist or happens in a vacuum is disingenuous. Especially when invoking "Why don't y'all do this with male movies" but we don't see these studios rebooting The Devil Wears Prada with an all male cast. Nikkas ain't replacing the cast of Bridesmaids.

Meanwhile Marvel TELLS nikkas they're going to replace the Avengers with women, they're all written with the surface level male caricature shell, and nikkas go out of their way to be like "But that's not what they're doing why you hate women so much?" then when these movies flop everyone juelzes all these ancillary reasons while ignoring the elephant. Fukk it then

Women can enjoy action movies and men can enjoy female catered movies, I said earlier in this thread that the Devil Wears Prada is a masterpiece. Dollface is one of the funniest shows I've seen in recent years. But I know that those shyts are written for women.

Nobody wants to see female characters written as men and y'all either can't comprehend this distinction, or are being very disingenuous

 

[Standing on business]

DC showed has that great Story telling matters

Batman and Superman are probably the biggest household names when it comes to superhero’s. Batman vs Superman should’ve been the highest thing in the box office but it got outperformed by that emo Joker movies. Story telling and character arc > the IP

 

[OneManGang]

Iron man, black panther, guardians and maybe even Thor weren’t household names. Nobody outside of hardcore comic heads knew about them.

Everyone knew/knows about Black Panther, Thor and Iron Man, that’s cap. Those are Marvel big hitters. Each have appeared on animated shows since the 90s (really for decades earlier as well). I feel like y’all really underestimate the draw these characters have outside of the comic book medium.

 

[Amerikan Melanin]

Super hero movies are kids movies. Why should they cater to grown men?

You’re lost if that’s what you think.

 

[Standing on business]

Everyone knew/knows about Black Panther and Iron Man, that’s cap. Those are Marvel big hitters. Each have appeared on animated shows since the 90s (really for decades earlier as well). I feel like y’all really underestimate the draw these characters have outside of the comic book medium.

Maybe, idk outside of a certain crowd i really don’t think that many people knew about the black panther. It seems many people misinterpreted his character before seeing the movie.

I could be wrong though

 

[Jaguar93]

Everyone knew/knows about Black Panther, Thor and Iron Man, that’s cap. Those are Marvel big hitters. Each have appeared on animated shows since the 90s (really for decades earlier as well). I feel like y’all really underestimate the draw these characters have outside of the comic book medium.

Yes gamers and comic book heads lol. And Black Panther wasn’t known, the only black superheroes that had clout was Blade and Storm.

 

[Hov]

Yes gamers and comic book heads lol. And Black Panther wasn’t known the only black superhero that had clout was Blade and Storm.

Right. Wtf is buddy talking about. Add Guardians of the Galaxy to the “no one knew except comic book readers” list

 

[OneManGang]

Maybe, idk outside of a certain crowd i really don’t think that many people knew about the black panther. It seems many people misinterpreted his character before seeing the movie.

I could be wrong though

What you mean misinterpreted? My only point is, and I’m standing on it, more people have at least heard of Cap, Thor, BP etc than Captain Marvel or any of these rogue gallery B list comic heroes marvel trying to push. The animated shows did a lot for saving Marvel back in the day when comic sales plummeted.

Yes gamers and comic book heads lol. And Black Panther wasn’t known the only black superhero that had clout was Blade and Storm.

Blade had more clout than BP?

Y’all bugging the fukk out. Anyone with a pulse knows or at least has heard about these characters. I’m not saying they know he wears a vibranium suit and gets his powers from a mystical plant but audiences were 100% aware of Black Panther and his place in Marvel. It matters, my whole point is people are more likely to see a movie about say Cyclops because they’ve heard of him than these characters Marvel has been trotting out. You’re not going to convince me no one’s heard of certain characters they could be using.

 

[Bboystyle]

Disney thinks women are its biggest consumers and will continue to put out trash Marvel movies and wonder why they aint making money like its End Game all over again

 

[Lonj]

Neither was Captain America, the Guardians, or Iron Man

Guardians yeah but Captain America and Ironman are 80 and 60 year old characters that have been in all kinds of videogames, tv shows, tv movies, movies, cartoons and that's not even getting into their actual comic books. Y'all can't seriously compare them to Captain Marvel a character that was basically created 15 years ago.

 

[Hov]

These debates sometimes lack nuance.

It’s fukking simple.

Yes, the “incels & redpillers” are right. Their motivations and ideology may be wrong, but broken clock.

Marvel is releasing half-hearted bullshyt in order to fill certain diversity agendas in order to reach new audiences and stand strong in liberal media.

If you can’t see this, I don’t know what the f to tell you lol.

The problem is, black people, women, LGBTQ - doesn’t matter. The art comes first. Every demo will lift a movie up if it intelligently tells an amazing (or super fun) story first.

Everyone would sprint to the theatre to see a new Kill Bill. Men watched Barbie. Different cultures loved Black Panther, or Everything Everywhere all at Once. Because they don’t feel like money grabs, while Marvel shyt does, plays too safe now that they are a Disney product and are corny.

You can still make intelligent accessible art, but everyone (even those being catered to) can feel when they are being patronized.

Did you see that Snow White shyt? Like cmon

Let me know if an Storm origin movie that felt like Black Panther or a Harley Quinn movie that felt like Kill Bill or a multiverse movie about a non superhero family caught up in the aftermath of the Avengers/Thanos shyt (in the vein of Everywhere All at Once) would have empty theatres…

 

[O.Red]

Here's some data for your ass:

Most popular movie genres among adults in the United States as of December 2018, by gender

Characteristic	Male	Female
Action	90%	86%
Romantic comedy	67%	84%
Crime	79%	84%
Thriller/mystery	84%	83%

This means the ONLY real significant difference between genders when it comes to movies is in the romance category. Women like action movies, we like crime movies and we like thrillers.

Ok? again I never said women can't like action movies but there are contexts to consider here

Couples go to movies and account for a large amount of female attendance in certain genres. Single women aren't lined up to see John Wick, but a man taking his girlfriend to the movies to see John Wick is a common occurrence. This is how the MCU blew up in the first place. In 2008 I took two women to see Iron Man and they both hated it. 11 years later they cried like babies when Tony Stark died

Coincidentally romance being significantly lower with males is because 1. These movies are written specifically for women 2. A woman is not convincing her boyfriend to go see The Notebook with her

If you account for the amount of couples that feed into those stats and and remove that metric those percentages would be much different I promise you