(Update)Incels and redpillers finally got a win.Captain Marvel 2:The Marvels opened to 47 million over the weekend.Making it MCU worst opening ever.

[O.Red]

Sounds like ur issue is with the stories not the characters which is really what’s at the heart of the issue with marvel stuff right now not names guardians of the galaxy, Loki or spider man

This has always been the core issue and has been loudly stated for years. Those same people have been gaslit with "You nikkas just hate women" "the incels mad y'all" for the same amount of years

The crux of all this is that ultimately Disney is for girls, and they haven't shown much capability in regards knowing what type of stories boys and men like. Also creating female characters with blanket masculine traits is not a successful formula because not even women want to see that shyt

As more time passes MCU phases 1-3 are looking more and more like an anomaly because that's the most male catering Disney has ever been, and those stories are from decades old comics. As soon as phase 3 ended they pivoted to "Ok let's get these men out of here and bring the ladies in" and it's been downhill ever since

 

[O.Red]

The fact they didn't do that is
It had so much potential and ended up being just decent

They should be ashamed of how they did Black Widow/Scarlet Johansson

They had everything they needed to make a fire Black Widow movie, or series of movies, and they didn't even scratch the surface

Widow has actually been one of the most pivotal characters in the early MCU phases (I think she's the best character in Endgame) and what did she receive for it? A leftovers movie that only served as a vehicle to launch Yelena

 

[The Wall Is Undefeated!]

This has always been the core issue and has been loudly stated for years. Those same people have been gaslit with "You nikkas just hate women" "the incels mad y'all" for the same amount of years

The crux of all this is that ultimately Disney is for girls, and they haven't shown much capability in regards knowing what type of stories boys and men like.

I kinda agree. However, even if Disney is for girls and women, plenty of men and boys can and did enjoy multiple Disney products. Even their Disney 'Princess' movies still have a following among males. I love the animated Mulan movie. I like the main character and she's a great inspiration for girls, showing that one can achieve great things with hard work and perseverance and one needn't have to have the physical prowess of a man to do it. In other words, a woman can be feminine and still get shyt done. Even though the movie mocks men, it's done playfully and doesn't go into misandrist BS. Even though Yao, Ling and Chien-Po are portrayed as goofy idiots, in the end, they show heroism and positive masculine traits.

The less said about the dumpster fire that is the live-action remake of Mulan, the better.

Also creating female characters with blanket masculine traits is not a successful formula because not even women want to see that shyt

Bad writing strikes again. Yet many writers insist on doing it.

As more time passes MCU phases 1-3 are looking more and more like an anomaly because that's the most male catering Disney has ever been, and those stories are from decades old comics. As soon as phase 3 ended they pivoted to "Ok let's get these men out of here and bring the ladies in" and it's been downhill ever since

MCU phases 1-3 weren't perfect but at least they had decent writers. Phase 4 was just trash for the most part—especially, She Hulk. I could only watch the 1st episode and the only thing good about that episode was the animated credits and song (Eve - 'Who's that girl?').

Some people defend that She-Hulk mess - "It wasn't made/meant for you."

My retorts:
"Really!? Say whom?"
"I'm also a comic book fan and nerd and have read comics way before the MCU was a thing."
"Even if the show wasn't made/meant for me, doesn't make it any less crappy."
"Are you saying your target audience only likes crap!? Because if I was the intended audience, I would be insulted. Audiences deserve better. Do better."

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

They should be ashamed of how they did Black Widow/Scarlet Johansson

They had everything they needed to make a fire Black Widow movie, or series of movies, and they didn't even scratch the surface

Widow has actually been one of the most pivotal characters in the early MCU phases (I think she's the best character in Endgame) and what did she receive for it? A leftovers movie that only served as a vehicle to launch Yelena

Looking back it makes sense it turned out the way it did. Endgame was butt and that the culmination of all of the movies we saw. If they couldn't make that fire then we all should've known Black Widow was going to be run of the mill like all their others

 

[O.Red]

Kill Bill would be scrutinized today. Kill Bill, Alien, Terminator 2.etc happened way before social media, and this current culture war became a thing. The "women are taking over men" brainworm wasn't really as prominent as it is now. Same way as Brandy's Cinderella didn't get a lot of flak when it came out, but you couldn't do that today without big pushback. No one is going to retroactively attack 20-40 year old films that in some cases, existed before they were born.


Twitter age, culture wars has changed how people interpret media. Decades ago, you didn't have Fox News and online talking heads screaming about "Woke agendas" and telling people what they should be offended by. If Captain Marvel released in 2004, no one would be complaining about "forced agendas", if it was bad, people would say it was bad and move on.

Like even films like Legally Blonde, or Mean Girls couldn't be released today without people calling them woke.

This is inaccurate and more surface level gaslighting that dismisses why those movies are loved in the first place

The strong female wave of the last decade failed because these women are written horribly. That's why they get backlash and don't resonate. They're written as hyper competent without having to prove it, which leaves an empty imitation of the hero's journey

In Kill Bill the Bride is established as hyper competent but she is put through obstacles. This bytch was shot, raped in a 4 year coma, buried alive, and killed the love of her life to get a daughter she thought died. Kill Bill resonated because of everything the character went through to achieve her goal. That's where these new movies fukk up. They give the women all the accolades and none of the challenge. But the challenge is what makes you

Sarah Connor was a regular cac bytch until she was forced into a position of fighting for something bigger than herself. Aliens may be the GOAT movie about motherhood because of the hell Ripley endured trying to protect that little girl

Look at the early MCU and the heroes that captivated everyone. Steve Rogers went out of his way to be of service and gave his life becoming a hero. Tony Stark was a selfish mega rich cac that had no reason to ever want to help anyone, but he spent a whole series of movies fighting against his self interests to help everyone. Look at every Tony appearance from Iron Man to Endgame. It's always Tony weighing his wants against the safety of everybody else. This is what heroes and hero tales are made of

Contrast that with the current wave of strong female movies where the characters are selfish, impulsive, and make no sacrifices. They're just awesome because they have powers and display no emotions. Again it's all surface masculine caricature shyt. This is why no one, men or women cares about these movies

Also Kill Bill is my favorite movie, and I remember when that shyt came out. If we're being honest Kill Bill is more loved now than it was in 2003

 

[Jaguar93]

This is inaccurate and more surface level gaslighting that ignores why those movies are loved in the first place

The strong female wave of the last decade failed because these women are written horribly. That's why they get backlash and don't resonate. They're written as hyper competent without having to prove it, which leaves an empty imitation of the hero's journey

In Kill Bill the Bride is established as hyper competent but she is put through obstacles. This bytch was shot, raped in a 4 year coma, buried alive, and killed the love of her life to get a daughter she thought died. Kill Bill resonated because of everything the character went through to achieve her goal. That's where these new movies fukk up. They give the women all the accolades and none of the challenge. But the challenge is what makes you

Sarah Connor was a regular cac bytch until she was forced into a position of fighting for something bigger than herself. Aliens may be the GOAT movie about motherhood because of the hell Ripley endured trying to protect that little girl

Look at the early MCU and the heroes that captivated everyone. Steve Rogers went out of his way to be of service and gave his life becoming a hero. Tony Stark was a selfish mega rich cac that had no reason to ever want to help anyone, but he spent a whole series of movies fighting against his self interests to help everyone. Look at every Tony appearance from Iron Man to Endgame. It's always Tony weighing his wants against the safety of everybody else. This is what heroes and hero tales are made of

Contrast that with the current wave of strong female movies where the characters are selfish, impulsive, and make no sacrifices. They're just awesome because they have powers and display no emotions. Again it's all surface masculine caricature shyt. This is why no one, men or women cares about these movies

Also Kill Bill is my favorite movie, and I remember when that shyt came out. If we're being honest Kill Bill is more loved now than it was in 2003

It's hamfisted. Almost EVERY new character has been female. Their gender is not necessarily the issue-- but let's be real. Stop trying to give us an army of hyper-intelligent world-saving Sarah Connors. In reality, that's not the case. They're just throwing a bunch of teenage girls in the mix and making them the new face of Marvel. Why is it so hard to admit no one really wants to see that? I'll repeat. NO ONE REALLY WANTS TO SEE THAT! Well written strong female characters do best sprinkled in with strong well-written male characters. And there's a ratio that tends to work. And what makes it worse is how ridiculously they dumb down the men to make the women shine. Its like lowering the damn hoop. In the original saga we saw characters like Pepper shine even in scenes with Tony where you knew she could get shyt done. Same with when they debuted Natasha. Same with Maria Hill and the Fury dynamic. Gamora. Nebula... the list goes on.

The stories are being driven by a corporate agenda to shoehorn specific actors/demographics into the film. Everything else is tertiary.

 

[hex]

I don't have a fixation on it. There's more Marvel threads made here than "The Little Mermaid" which I did also call a flop and I wouldn't say a low budget horror being profitable means "nothing" because that Conjuring franchise is one of the most profitable franchises around...

They are routinely turning $10-20M projects into huge profits for the studio. Tentpoles are supposed to do that and Ant-Man 3 didn't.

If the entire industry is down 20-25% then yes, it means nothing.

It would be like trying to say climate change doesn't matter because it still snows.

Again, the industry is down 20-25%. A few hits are irrelevant. If they were relevant, then the industry wouldn't be down.

Fred.

 

[Kooley_High]

Well the review embargo releases today… Lets see what they say.

 

[Shadow King]

Not surprised, the first one was aggressively mediocre and extremely forgettable

 

[Amare's Right Hook]

We need more girl power.

 

[O.Red]

I kinda agree. However, even if Disney is for girls and women, plenty of men and boys can and did enjoy multiple Disney products. Even their Disney 'Princess' movies still have a following among males. I love the animated Mulan movie. I like the main character and she's a great inspiration for girls, showing that one can achieve great things with hard work and perseverance and one needn't have to have the physical prowess of a man to do it. In other words, a woman can be feminine and still get shyt done. Even though the movie mocks men, it's done playfully and doesn't go into misandrist BS. Even though Yao, Ling and Chien-Po are portrayed as goofy idiots, in the end, they show heroism and positive masculine traits.

The less said about the dumpster fire that is the live-action remake of Mulan, the better.


Bad writing strikes again. Yet many writers insist on doing it.

When I make the distinction that Disney is for girls , it's not to say that there's absolutely nothing that males can enjoy from Disney, especially regarding the era a movie like Mulan came out in

Disney was a lot more family oriented during the 90s but even then girls are prioritized. This prioritization is more blatant now

The reason I make the distinction is because in these discussions people fail to acknowledge that there are fundamental differences in the way stories are told to males vs females. There will be overlap, like men enjoying Mean Girls or women liking Creed but generally both
genders gravitate to very specific stories

The MCU and other studios doing the aggressive strong woman pandering of the last decade are trying to pass off a weird hybrid of action movies with females written like males, with these caricature esque displays of masculinity. That shyt does not fukkin work Males don't want to see it and females will pay it lip service to stay on code, but they won't be in the theaters when the time comes to put money up

 

[African Peasant]

The poster looks like a bootleg female version of Power Ranger.

 

[NobodyReally]

This has always been the core issue and has been loudly stated for years. Those same people have been gaslit with "You nikkas just hate women" "the incels mad y'all" for the same amount of years

The crux of all this is that ultimately Disney is for girls, and they haven't shown much capability in regards knowing what type of stories boys and men like. Also creating female characters with blanket masculine traits is not a successful formula because not even women want to see that shyt

As more time passes MCU phases 1-3 are looking more and more like an anomaly because that's the most male catering Disney has ever been, and those stories are from decades old comics. As soon as phase 3 ended they pivoted to "Ok let's get these men out of here and bring the ladies in" and it's been downhill ever since

That's because when there are shytty movies starring women, you blame it on a feminist agenda. When there are shytty movies starring men, y'all don't blame a patriarchial agenda. It's so transparent. 1-5 shytty movies a year with women vs. 15-25 shytty movies with men, but you think there's an agenda when it's the female in the role. Yes, that's incel behavior. There are a LOT of shytty male led movies, when are we gonna start talking about the patriarchal agenda to keep white males in lead roles in shytty movies?

 

[Jaguar93]

Saying things like the future is female, and the force is female doesn’t help lol.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

It's hamfisted. Almost EVERY new character has been female. Their gender is not necessarily the issue-- but let's be real. Stop trying to give us an army of hyper-intelligent world-saving Sarah Connors. In reality, that's not the case. They're just throwing a bunch of teenage girls in the mix and making them the new face of Marvel. Why is it so hard to admit no one really wants to see that? I'll repeat. NO ONE REALLY WANTS TO SEE THAT! Well written strong female characters do best sprinkled in with strong well-written male characters. And there's a ratio that tends to work. And what makes it worse is how ridiculously they dumb down the men to make the women shine. Its like lowering the damn hoop. In the original saga we saw characters like Pepper shine even in scenes with Tony where you knew she could get shyt done. Same with when they debuted Natasha. Same with Maria Hill and the Fury dynamic. Gamora. Nebula... the list goes on. Edit: Even the way the royal guard for Wakanda was initially presented was top notch.

You got probems man