Essential TV Cancellations,Renewals,Ratings, Pilots And General Discussion Thread

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Depends on whether you want the bag or for the show to be seen by millions. Netflix was slowly phasing out programming produced by Fox and Disney before talks of the merger even started so they'll need to increase original programming for the gap.

I think Prime actually has more subscribers than Netflix but most of them aren't their for the TV but the shipping but we know they have the bag too.

Hulu's in a weird space because Disney or Comcast are about to have majority control over it and there's too many variables from that. If they lose exclusive shows though they might throw a bag at you.

I don't know where HBO and it's counterparts (Showtime/Starz) are heading tbh. Those places used to be the first place that movies debuted on TV but now Hulu and Netflix are right on their asses. That may lead them to increasing the amount of content they produce as they focus on their subscription services.

Jury's out on YouTube Red. They just increased their price to 11.99 and combined it with Google Music, so we'll have to see how many subscribers stick around.

Yeah, I probably used the wrong word when I said "bag" but I agree with everything you said.
 

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I was just thinking - if I was a creative and Apple came to me with the bag, would I go with them or hold out for someone else?

For me I'd say if I had a show I was pitching and it wasn't network I'd be hoping for (in order):

1. Netflix (eyes)
2. HBO (they still only program on Sundays really so you're gonna be waiting a while for your turn)
3. Hulu/Apple
4. Apple/Hulu
5. Amazon Prime (they'll figure it out eventually)
6. YouTube Red/TV (still feels like it's a platform for kids/teens)

Apple is only talking to name talent. If you want to do business with them, it pays to have an A-list person attached to your project in some capacity. They also only want family friendly programming. A lot of ex-Sony execs there. They are rolling out material beginning in 2019.

HBO will keep you in development for ever. Amazon is now under new management, but seems to be courting big name talent as well. Hulu is TBD. Sony Crackle which wasn't mentioned is a wildcard as well.

Starz was good, but has fallen off. Power and Outlander is really all they got. Showtime keeps their shows too long. Epix is still new (but I love Get Shorty).
 

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Apple is only talking to name talent. If you want to do business with them, it pays to have an A-list person attached to your project in some capacity. They also only want family friendly programming. A lot of ex-Sony execs there. They are rolling out material beginning in 2019.

HBO will keep you in development for ever. Amazon is now under new management, but seems to be courting big name talent as well. Hulu is TBD. Sony Crackle which wasn't mentioned is a wildcard as well.

Starz was good, but has fallen off. Power and Outlander is really all they got. Showtime keeps their shows too long. Epix is still new (but I love Get Shorty).

I've knew that about HBO. I also know they're not afraid to scrap something even if they're multiple eps into shooting (Steve McQueen, Fincher etc.)

But I didn't know Apple were going the family friendly route - that's interesting.

Is there a particular reason? Or are they starting out FF and then slowly joining the fray and going with R rated and more adult stories later?
 

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I've knew that about HBO. I also know they're not afraid to scrap something even if they're multiple eps into shooting (Steve McQueen, Fincher etc.)

But I didn't know Apple were going the family friendly route - that's interesting.

Is there a particular reason? Or are they starting out FF and then slowly joining the fray and going with R rated and more adult stories later?

Well, Apple says they are a family company, at least that's the stance "unofficially." AppleTV are things that can be rented, but their original programming means, don't expect much sex, violence or foul language. If you look up everything they've picked up, I'd say the highest they're willing to go right now is PG-13 type programming.

Maybe it will change, but you'd think they were Disney, rather than Apple.
 

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Well, Apple says they are a family company, at least that's the stance "unofficially." AppleTV are things that can be rented, but their original programming means, don't expect much sex, violence or foul language. If you look up everything they've picked up, I'd say the highest they're willing to go right now is PG-13 type programming.

Maybe it will change, but you'd think they were Disney, rather than Apple.

Yeah, after what you posted before I did some reading and there’s the idea that they might be trying to push (or at least promote) their first round of TV to everyone with an Apple device (including kids) so yeah, no blood, gore, nudity or heavy cursing.

I’m a little disappointed. I was hoping for another competitor for Netflix (in terms of content, not business) but instead it looks like at least in the beginning they’re gonna be like a premium CBS lol
 

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Yeah, after what you posted before I did some reading and there’s the idea that they might be trying to push (or at least promote) their first round of TV to everyone with an Apple device (including kids) so yeah, no blood, gore, nudity or heavy cursing.

I’m a little disappointed. I was hoping for another competitor for Netflix (in terms of content, not business) but instead it looks like at least in the beginning they’re gonna be like a premium CBS lol

And Premium CBS is not something I am willing to pay for. I don't want CBS All-Access nor this. If it's network programming and network programming is free, why am I paying for this? No one better say because Apple is funding it.
 

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And Premium CBS is not something I am willing to pay for. I don't want CBS All-Access nor this. If it's network programming and network programming is free, why am I paying for this? No one better say because Apple is funding it.

But then there was this news from yesterday:

Apple Signs With Writers Guild

One of the key parts of it lays out how they're gonna pay writers/producers fairly for possible free/ad-supported content (like Facebook). Which means they may have plans to have some shows that you need to subscribe to watch, and some shows that you can watch for free but see ads.

For such a big company the fact that very few people have or have leaked any plans on their TV rollout is impressive.

I just wanna see dope shyt but so far everything they've bought/picked up seems doo-doo.
 

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But then there was this news from yesterday:

Apple Signs With Writers Guild

One of the key parts of it lays out how they're gonna pay writers/producers fairly for possible free/ad-supported content (like Facebook). Which means they may have plans to have some shows that you need to subscribe to watch, and some shows that you can watch for free but see ads.

For such a big company the fact that very few people have or have leaked any plans on their TV rollout is impressive.

I just wanna see dope shyt but so far everything they've bought/picked up seems doo-doo.
raise prices on iphones:lolbron:
 

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‘Family Matters’ Fans Are Devouring All 215 Episodes Within a Month, and Other Amazing Binge Stats From Hulu

This is pretty cool,Hulu giving a peak behind
the curtain. Wish Netflix would do the same.



Did I do that? Hulu viewers have a lot of time on their hands — enough time to binge watch the entire libraries of classic ABC “TGIF” shows including “Family Matters,” “Boy Meets World,” and “Full House,” in short amounts of time.

Among key details revealed by Hulu to IndieWire: 60,000 Hulu subscribers have already watched all 60 hours (or 120 episodes) of “Boy Meets World,” the coming-of-age sitcom that aired between 1993 and 2000 on ABC.

Also, the average “Family Matters” fan who watched the entire series in 2017 on Hulu — all nine seasons that aired from 1989 to 1997 — completed their binge within a month. That’s equal to consuming more than two seasons of Urkel and company per week.




And over the past year, among Hulu viewers who watched all eight seasons of the original run of “Full House” (1987-1995), they averaged their entire binge over the course of just one month.


Streaming services like Hulu are generally loathe to release anything resembling data, but it revealed some quirky stats on Thursday during a panel moderated by IndieWire at the ATX Television Festival in Austin.

Beyond those binge stats, Hulu also shared some demo information on the acquisitions: The average “Boy Meets World” viewer on Hulu is 32, which means they were 7 years old when the show first premiered. And “Family Matters” average viewer age on the service is 34.

Hulu announced last summer that it had acquired the exclusive, streaming, subscription video on-demand rights to all episodes of TGIF staples “Full House,” “Family Matters,” “Step by Step,” “Perfect Strangers” and “Hangin’ with Mr. Cooper.” The full libraries launched on Sept. 29 on Hulu, timed to the 30th anniversary of “Full House.” And the acquisition has been deemed a success internally.



Beyond TGIF, Hulu also shared that 35,000 watched all 10 seasons of “Futurama” in just 18 days — equal to more than eight episodes per day.

The service had previously revealed that more than 35,000 people watched every episode of “ER” (all 331 episodes) in the first two months it was available on Hulu. Also, Hulu viewers watched more than 135 million hours of “South Park” and 105 million hours of “Law & Order: SVU” in 2017.

Those are all feats in themselves, but Hulu also noted that its viewers are watching, on average, ten different shows at a time. (Perhaps Hulu viewers prefer TV to human contact, and really, who can blame them?)




“I love those kind of numbers, it’s why we get up in the morning,” said Hulu content acquisitions VP Lisa Holme. “It’s comfort food. I have a friend who has an iPad velcroed to the wall of his bathroom, and every morning and every night he turns it on and watches ‘Seinfeld’ as he brushes his teeth. So we’re looking for shows that people will do that with.”

Holme was among the execs on the ATX panel “Un-Cabled: Repackaging TV for a New Generation” on Thursday. Panelists also included Playstation Vue head Dwayne Benefield, Roku programming head Rob Holmes,YouTube Red scripted drama head Jon Wax, and Blue Ribbon Content executive vice president Peter Girardi.


“Usually it doesn’t help us to share data,” Holme said. “I frankly cringed when the PR team published the information about ‘South Park’ — ‘That’s going to cost us when it comes up for renewal, thank you!’ Being transparent with data that way has the potential to hurt us. There’s absence of upside. But we are trying to be better in sharing things that are interesting and non-threatening.”

Wax, who recently joined the YouTube Red (soon to be renamed YouTube Premium) from WGN America, said he’s learning how to balance data with traditional Hollywood media development.

“There’s a tremendous trove of data and scores of people pouring over it,” he said. “Contrary to what you might expect, I have not had anyone at Google say, ‘You must develop this show for this audience with this star because the data says it will work.’ It’s actually much more holistic than that.”
 

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