True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

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Marty connecting Reggie to the gang was getting the info from the snitch he followed.
Marty is a cop. A veteran at that who lives in a car with all the traveling they have to do. He is a native of the area and listened to the scanner to connect the dots. As soon as they arrived and got out the car someone called the cops.
Also what gives you the idea they even mentioned the project raid to these new cops? From watching the interviews they never mention any of that stuff.

Sorry, I wasn't clear about the first point. I meant that the Reggie Ledoux working for a gang that Rust used to do undercover work with is a wild coincidence that really tests my suspension of disbelief. The info that Reggie Ledoux is the Iron Crusaders cook came from Marty.
 

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The robbery-hijacking was piff to watch but seriously what kind of plan is that?:mindblown:"oh we have cop uniforms".. but everybody knows that cops in uniform are clean shaven. why not scope them out for a few days and rob their stash when everybody is gone to a hood picnic or something? They might as well strapped themselves with explosives cause that was nothing but a suicide mission
 

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Martin saw Rust heading up the bayou. He saw what direction he was heading in. I'm sure a seasoned cop has a pretty good sense of direction so all he would have had to do is drive in the general direction they were going. Plus, I think the housing project itself was in Beaumont so that's where the police scanner would come in handy. You figure if he's been driving slowly in the general direction he saw them heading in and hears a report of shots fired through the scanner, he can be heading there before Rust even makes the call to him. In fact I'm fairly certain that's the case or else why would Rust even say something as crazy as be there in 90 seconds? We just watched him make his way through a mini warzone with zen-like (albeit drug assisted:manny:) patience and efficiency. I don't think he's randomly throwing out 90 seconds unless he has faith Marty paid attention to the importance of the police scanner. A more logical thing to be somewhat skeptical about is how did Rust know Marty would know he wasn't still in the bar? But that is something i have no problem chalking up to plain luck.
"Crash" has been missing for years, shows up, is seen by multiple people at the bar, leaves with 4 guys, 3 are dead, one is missing, and you think no other criminals connected to them would question that?

And yeah, Ginger is insane. Look at the plan he came up with. Unless he somehow dies in the next ep I'm kinda confused how they plan on keeping him from revealing who Rust is to every goon in Texas.

Fred.
At which point every goon in Texas is looking at Ginger sideways wondering why he 1. Couldn't tell that Rust was 5-0:patrice: and 2. Conveniently is the only one that came out alive
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Plus, while having his cover blown would suck, Rust likes doing homicide. He's just so crazy that he'll go to the extent of going back undercover to pursue this current lead.
 

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Sorry, I wasn't clear about the first point. I meant that the Reggie Ledoux working for a gang that Rust used to do undercover work with is a wild coincidence that really tests my suspension of disbelief. The info that Reggie Ledoux is the Iron Crusaders cook came from Marty.

It is a wild coincidence but I'm willing to over look it because they did add the subplot about Rust being undercover for 4 years. Texas is right next door to Louisiana, the odds of him coming into contact with goons from Texas isn't that far-fetched.

Now, if they didn't telegraph him being undercover, and Rust just randomly said "oh, Iron Crusaders? I was undercover before and worked with them" with no prior mention of it, that's some "Dexter" shyt.

Fred.
 

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Sorry, I wasn't clear about the first point. I meant that the Reggie Ledoux working for a gang that Rust used to do undercover work with is a wild coincidence that really tests my suspension of disbelief. The info that Reggie Ledoux is the Iron Crusaders cook came from Marty.
Reggie not in the gang, he is the executive cook for them. He cooks for one gang only since he did time in joint before.
 

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Help me refresh my memory brehs.

One of the first things Rust and Marty ask the detectives from 2012 is if they just wanna hear about the "shootout in the woods" (basically when they go catch Ledoux, probably next episode). But I seem to recall Rust also saying there were children involved in that incident or something to that effect. Does anyone know/remember? @hexagram23?
 

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It is a wild coincidence but I'm willing to over look it because they did add the subplot about Rust being undercover for 4 years. Texas is right next door to Louisiana, the odds of him coming into contact with goons from Texas isn't that far-fetched.

Now, if they didn't telegraph him being undercover, and Rust just randomly said "oh, Iron Crusaders? I was undercover before and worked with them" with no prior mention of it, that's some "Dexter" shyt.

Fred.
Still there's a lot of bike gangs and biker clubs out there and Texas is a big ass state. He just so happened to f*ck with the Iron Crusaders:patrice:.. we'll just have to chalk it up. "wait a minute did you say The Iron Crusaders??" :heh:
 

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Help me refresh my memory brehs.

One of the first things Rust and Marty ask the detectives from 2012 is if they just wanna hear about the "shootout in the woods" (basically when they go catch Ledoux, probably next episode). But I seem to recall Rust also saying there were children involved in that incident or something to that effect. Does anyone know/remember? @hexagram23?

Yeah you're right. That shoot out hasn't happened yet. The shoot out we just seen the cops in 2012 don't even know happened. Or at least they haven't let on that they know.

Fred.
 

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Martin saw Rust heading up the bayou. He saw what direction he was heading in. I'm sure a seasoned cop has a pretty good sense of direction so all he would have had to do is drive in the general direction they were going. Plus, I think the housing project itself was in Beaumont so that's where the police scanner would come in handy. You figure if he's been driving slowly in the general direction he saw them heading in and hears a report of shots fired through the scanner, he can be heading there before Rust even makes the call to him. In fact I'm fairly certain that's the case or else why would Rust even say something as crazy as be there in 90 seconds? We just watched him make his way through a mini warzone with zen-like (albeit drug assisted:manny:) patience and efficiency. I don't think he's randomly throwing out 90 seconds unless he has faith Marty paid attention to the importance of the police scanner. A more logical thing to be somewhat skeptical about is how did Rust know Marty would know he wasn't still in the bar? But that is something i have no problem chalking up to plain luck.

At which point every goon in Texas is looking at Ginger sideways wondering why he 1. Couldn't tell that Rust was 5-0:patrice: and 2. Conveniently is the only one that came out alive
lpkj.png
Plus, while having his cover blown would suck, Rust likes doing homicide. He's just so crazy that he'll go to the extent of going back undercover to pursue this current lead.

I figured Rust seen Marty as he was leaving on the boat. He didn't look directly at him but he was standing kind of sideways as they took off.

This whole thing is most likely because the episode is only around an hour long. He couldn't say "meet me in 10 minutes", you'd wonder what the fukk he was doing for 10 minutes if they cut to him hiding, then Marty pulling up. Plus they were going for the "one-shot" take. Like I said earlier, the writer was probably :yeshrug: at the story 100% making sense because the last 6 minutes were so :whoo:

Keep in mind "Crash" operated in that area undetected for 4 years. So it wouldn't just be on Ginger, nobody realized he was a cop.

And I didn't mean his cover being blown, I meant people coming to kill his ass. A serial killer case that important, his face and real name would be all over the news at some point in the process. The only way that circle gets closed is if Ginger dies.

Fred.
 

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The robbery-hijacking was piff to watch but seriously what kind of plan is that?:mindblown:"oh we have cop uniforms".. but everybody knows that cops in uniform are clean shaven. why not scope them out for a few days and rob their stash when everybody is gone to a hood picnic or something? They might as well strapped themselves with explosives cause that was nothing but a suicide mission
Jax and the Sons would have pulled off in daylight riding bikes flying colors with no masks because at the stash house they getting high and make pedo porn in the bedroom . They would shoot everyone dead make jokes watch tv and then ride out while Juice kills a mom and her kid because she saw them walking out the house. Jax would say "bro don't sweat it" popes crew will take the rap and Nero will say he did it for Gemma".
 

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The plan was terrible but they're rednecks on drugs. That plan being so :dwillhuh: was probably the most realistic part of the episode.

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Yeah you're right. That shoot out hasn't happened yet. The shoot out we just seen the cops in 2012 don't even know happened. Or at least they haven't let on that they know.

Fred.

But what about the children? :lupe:

Didn't Rust called the incident "the shootout in the woods with the children" or something like that? :lupe:
 

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I figured Rust seen Marty as he was leaving on the boat. He didn't look directly at him but he was standing kind of sideways as they took off.

This whole thing is most likely because the episode is only around an hour long. He couldn't say "meet me in 10 minutes", you'd wonder what the fukk he was doing for 10 minutes if they cut to him hiding, then Marty pulling up. Plus they were going for the "one-shot" take. Like I said earlier, the writer was probably :yeshrug: at the story 100% making sense because the last 6 minutes were so :whoo:

Keep in mind "Crash" operated in that area undetected for 4 years. So it wouldn't just be on Ginger, nobody realized he was a cop.

And I didn't mean his cover being blown, I meant people coming to kill his ass. A serial killer case that important, his face and real name would be all over the news at some point in the process. The only way that circle gets closed is if Ginger dies.

Fred.
Nobody realized he was a cop in those initial 4 years, true. Crash, from his explanation, was as deep as deep cover gets. I wouldn't be surprised if it stopped becoming undercover for him at some point (Pizzolato could easily do another season focusing on those years:wow:). Then he fell off the grid, presumably dead, comes back with a some coke and stories about cartels and this dude Ginger is just like :manny:. I don't know if you remember the dude Miles that was mentioned but apparently he wants nothing to do with Crash (or vice versa). I think Ginger would be putting himself in the hot seat trying to explain how he believed Crash was who he says he was, he kidnapped him and then...what exactly?:pachaha: "The undercover cop kidnapped me and then just let go, but I didn't say nothing, tho:whoa:" Plus, are these guys really going to go after a cop like that?:patrice:

And the whole 90 seconds thing is inconsequential for me, but I'd love if we one day got an indepth mini-documentary on the behind the scenes of the whole thing to put these questions to rest.

The plan was terrible but they're rednecks on drugs. That plan being so :dwillhuh: was probably the most realistic part of the episode.

Fred.
:dead::dead:

But what about the children? :lupe:
fukk the children:pacspit::pacspit:
 

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But what about the children? :lupe:

Didn't Rust called the incident "the shootout in the woods with the children" or something like that? :lupe:

Yeah they say something like "carrying kids out of the woods". Was episode 1.

Fred.
 

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Marty pulled off at Beaumont because Rust told him to go there and wait, because he knew that they were going to cause a scene.

It is entirely possible for Marty to have been heading there already, then get to where he needed to be in 90 seconds. The cop chopper obviously knew that something was going on, so it's possible that a radio call was made before Rust even called him.

I don't think it's so farfetched at all.
 
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