True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

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Endings with protagonists surviving near fatal injuries is as blah as it gets. Redemption and light triumphing over dark is bankable, audiences eat that bullshyt up, it's how a lot of us reinforce the myths that have been sold to us forever in this society.

I agree with the first part, disagree with the second. Rust was written so fukking bleak and hopeless that him merely acknowledging hope or a reason to live is seen as redemption. I didn't get the vibe that Rust went to church later that night. I got the vibe that, he was painted as a logical guy, so all things being equal he decided :manny: let's try the optimism thing for a while. His mind state up to that point wasn't exactly working out for him, anyway.

Not really seeing how light triumphed over darkness either, unless you're just speaking in general terms and not specifically about "TD".

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A final thought: symbolism is the new corniest thing on television. It has become the most bankable smart-dumb nikka aspect of television shows, from Lost to the Sopranos to Breaking Bad to True Detective. It's a lazy shortcut to complexity, and hooks the audience like a cheap drug because it makes us feel unduly smart while cultivating a sense of mystery that never pays out.

Oh shyt, the prostitute's nipple ring was lavender... Just like the bar of soap in Bobby Lee's bathtub, and the wig the secret assassin was wearing!

Yoooooo! Tell me you noticed her tattoo was in the shape of a leprechaun boot... And Italy is the country shaped like a boot... And leprechauns are associated with Ireland... And they said the killer was half-Irish, half-Italian!!!!

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I agree with the first part, disagree with the second. Rust was written so fukking bleak and hopeless that him merely acknowledging hope or a reason to live is seen as redemption. I didn't get the vibe that Rust went to church later that night. I got the vibe that, he was painted as a logical guy, so all things being equal he decided :manny: let's try the optimism thing for a while. His mind state up to that point wasn't exactly working out for him, anyway.

Not really seeing how light triumphed over darkness either, unless you're just speaking in general terms and not specifically about "TD".

Fred.

I never viewed Rust as bleak, though. He was damaged, he was self-loathing, but the depth of his humanity betrayed itself constantly. He was probably, in his own peculiar way, the most caring character on the show.
 

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Oh shyt, the prostitute's nipple ring was lavender... Just like the bar of soap in Bobby Lee's bathtub, and the wig the secret assassin was wearing!

Yoooooo! Tell me you noticed her tattoo was in the shape of a leprechaun boot... And Italy is the country shaped like a boot... And leprechauns are associated with Ireland... And they said the killer was half-Irish, half-Italian!!!!

:camby:
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so true though - I never posted in here because I started reading this thread and seeing all the theories being posted and pics from the net circulating around here and figured I would dip until the end of the series....show was crack and the acting/writing/cinematography was all top notch - while I was a little let down by the finale, it was still an excellent season and experience from week to week
 

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Did they ever explain the discrepancies betweeen the year book photos? One was in the show, the other was posted on the TD facebook page, yet Rust's wall had pictures from both? I think most of us came to the conclusion it was a production fukk up.
 

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I thought for sure that Marty and Rust were both dying in Carcosa though....figured by the time the cops got to them, they would both be lying there dead having bled out....dont know how the cops got to them on time with them both being injured like that

And I liked how when Marty is telling the story he says "and thats the last thing I remember, saying my friend's name..." -- that is the first and only time I can recall either of them referring to one another as a "friend" - I thought that was dope
 

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show was crack and the acting/writing/cinematography was all top notch - while I was a little let down by the finale, it was still an excellent season and experience from week to week

Exactly how I feel. It was like watching a great film. Stood out from most shows almost immediately.
 

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I never viewed Rust as bleak, though. He was damaged, he was self-loathing, but the depth of his humanity betrayed itself constantly. He was probably, in his own peculiar way, the most caring character on the show.

Fair enough.

What ending do you think would've been more inline with what we were presented?

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Exactly how I feel. It was like watching a great film. Stood out from most shows almost immediately.

Having the same writer and director for all 8 episodes is why I think it did. Add that to the fact that the two main characters of focus had artistic input from its two great actors (who were also executive producers) it gives you this feel of a novel come to the screen. I'm going to miss Cary's work next season for sure.
 

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Exactly how I feel. It was like watching a great film. Stood out from most shows almost immediately.
Yeah exactly...it was still great but for me, as soon as Marty and Rust left the police station and the show no longer included their interviews and flashbacks to the past, the show turned into a more tidy, conventional detective show....not that it was no longer good, but the pacing, story changed from my perspective...the dialogue, the acting and the scenery never took a hit though...was still great across the board, all the way up until the end in that regard.

When Rust was running thru the maze in Carcosa I was :lupe: just like I was in Ep 4 at the trap house so I still thoroughly enjoyed the episodes regardless
 

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A disappointing finale to a somewhat mixed first season.

Im actually kinda relieved that the first season is over and done with and we can finally move on to a new plot.

A plot which is far removed from the philosophical, nihilistic gibberish that made your head hurt in the first.

The second season is definitely going to be almost the exact opposite of the first season, which hopefully means it will be a bit more action packed.

I think it would be kinda cool for the 2nd season to be about a gang who is notorious for bank robberies and the race against time to stop them hitting the biggest bank. A bit like 'Heat'.

For the cast, it would be a good idea to have one rookie detective and another one taking his final case before retirement or some shyt.

For the veteran, someone like Bruce Willis, Sam Jackson or Michael Douglas would be a good cast. Not yet sure about who should the rookie be but I thought someone LaBeouf or Kitsch would be decent.

Thoughts?
 

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Fair enough.

What ending do you think would've been more inline with what we were presented?

Fred.

I liked the setting of the compound, though I would've loved them to see even more of the horrific details of it. More revelations within the caves of Carcosa. I was kicking it with Mel about it, and we talked about McNulty mourning Stringer's death - not because he cared, but because String would never know McNulty had caught him on the wiretap. I think that sort of thing could've played well here: Rust gets his guy, but doesn't get to see the cuffs go on, dies in the process.

I don't think Rust needed redeeming via near-death epiphany. The work was his redemption. Keeping the bad guys at the gate or whatever he said was his redemption. Marty at his bed when he wakes up in the hospital? Gay as fukk, b. Those two could've demonstrated their care for each other in more understated, though still powerful ways.

Mostly I hate the seemingly fatal wound, last second gunshot as the villain hovers over the partner, ohmygodohmygod is he dead sequence. The writing was consistently above that sort of thing. The one time the writing veered into typical movie trash was when True Detective briefly morphed into Sons of Anarchy and Training Day in episode 4. The entire time from the biker bar to the perfectly timed escape from the projects was utter bullshyt. However, it was bullshyt that served a purpose - change up the tempo, reward the audience's patience with some action (the dumb being intrigued by the drum and shyt, including myself), have some fukking fun with the show. Cool. I can suspend disbelief for that and enjoy it. The next time I felt like I was watching a different kind of show was the finale, which had a Magnum P.I. meets soap opera vibe to it at parts. And at that point there didn't seem to be a purpose served by the change in pace and feel, unless it was that the writer and the audience were so attached to Rust that sentimentality won out and he got sent off with a somewhat neat end.

All that other shyt, like whether Maggie's dad was down with the cult... I don't care about that. Thing is, the show's ending still leaves that open ended, and that's cool, that's life.
 

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finally saw the final episode, thoughts:

- i liked it...it highlighted what the show has been about from the beginning: writing and acting...the back and forth between marty/rust was great, again...and it's the lil small shyt that really shows that..ex:

*after marty woke him up by slurping loud as shyt lol*

marty - i'll be back tomorrow
rust - why?
marty - never change *while flipping him off*

that shyt is fukking great...

- them finding lawnmower man showed how good a team they were...they could get shyt down seperately, but were better together...

- speaking of lawnmower man, that cat was huge....when he picked rust up by the knife, damn...and that cat was fast as shyt too...when he saw rust, hit him with the 'no', he was out lol...

- the fingering scene with his half sis showed another example of how fukked up that fam was...he was getting off by her telling him about the shyt they granddad did to her...

- the walls finally broke on rust...him choosing not to give up and just die showed he was willing to give being happy and enjoying life another chance...the line at the end about the light winning was nice to really get that point across....

...hell of a season, cant wait for the next season....i'm go back through the thread now and see what's been said...
 
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