True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

[Adam3000]

I got 200+ posts here and I'd say a good....75% of them have substance. I'm a grown man. You need to try this "I dare you to not get the last word, while letting me get the last word!" with your sister or your girlfriend or somebody.

I'm just asking you to explain what you mean. That's it. And....you don't seem to be able to. I quoted how I interpreted the scene with Rust/Marty....you said I was wrong, misquoted, got out of context, tone, whatever....so I said "ok, quote it and tell me what you think it means". And you went on a rant about my name, and my ego, and how you're at work. I don't give a fukk about all that. Did you seriously expect to pop into a thread that's 100+ pages long, where cats have gotten into serious debates about this shyt....disagree, then duck behind "oh, I'm at work, I don't care"?

So, instead of us going back and forth like this, why don't you explain what you mean? How did you interpret the scene?

Fred.

Thats the thing....I interpreted the scene the similar to you in the grand scheme of things. I simply pointed out the error in the words you quoted and the conclusion you made based on the misquoted words. Specifically, the part about suicide and whether or not him being alive was proof he didnt believe his own words. I dont agree with that premise because it wasnt supported by the actual conversation which you misquoted to suppoert that point. However, the part about him having a normal life in the past and that being the proof is something I do agree with. Thats why your constant desire to argue about it is so annoying, my initial post never should have even been responded to. I cleared up your misquote and explained why you were still correct anyway.

No more need to go back and forth. Im posting while I take a shyt at work right now, it really aint convenient and I have nothing else to say.

 

[Adam3000]

People are just hung up on the concept of a happy ending =/= bad one.

This entire show has been a statement about this genre, and the ending is continuing with the theme. We've been told for twenty or so years how this show was supposed to work and they did none of it.

It's funny, the idea that the happy ending is a cliche, when damn near ALL entries in this genre have some "deep" downer ending.

Do you think the problem is that the show tried too hard for a happy ending, but the viewer doesnt buy it because they know that child rapists and murderers are still running free and unscathed? They ended with some real touchy feely shyt but perhaps it just wasnt convincing? I dont think it needed a happy or sad ending, but it kind of went flat by not committing to a strong conclusion. Does that make sense? Some people may find that closely pinned to reality and like it, some may find it too detached from fictional storytelling and dislike it. There isnt a correct feeling to have.

 

[hex]

Thats the thing....I interpreted the scene the similar to you in the grand scheme of things. I simply pointed out the error in the words you quoted and the conclusion you made based on the misquoted words. Specifically, the part about suicide and whether or not him being alive was proof he didnt believe his own words. I dont agree with that premise because it wasnt supported by the actual conversation which you misquoted to suppoert that point. However, the part about him having a normal life in the past and that being the proof is something I do agree with. Thats why your constant desire to argue about it is so annoying, my initial post never should have even been responded to. I cleared up your misquote and explained why you were still correct anyway.

No more need to go back and forth. Im posting while I take a shyt at work right now, it really aint convenient and I have nothing else to say.

I paraphrased but the context is 100% accurate. That's what I'm confused about. What did you take away from that conversation? What conclusion did you arrive at?

He said mankind should willingly go to their extinction, yet no one (including him) is willing to take the first step. So that undermines his whole rant. If we find that out in the first ep, what else is he hypocritical about?

Marty even point blank asks him "why get out of bed in the morning?". "My programming and I lack the constitution for suicide". Ok, so you're just a man like everyone else.

I dunno how you took that, but I took it as he talks a good game. He's not really about the shyt he says. That, coupled with the fact that @obarth pointed out earlier, about the guy wanting to maintain a facade of control....yet he couldn't even keep sober to meet Marty's family....were massive red flags for me that the guy and his philosophy were separate. So nah, the last scene wasn't out of place for me.

Fred.

 

[Jax]

Do you think the problem is that the show tried too hard for a happy ending, but the viewer doesnt buy it because they know that child rapists and murderers are still running free and unscathed? They ended with some real touchy feely shyt but perhaps it just wasnt convincing? I dont think it needed a happy or sad ending, but it kind of went flat by not committing to a strong conclusion. Does that make sense? Some people may find that closely pinned to reality and like it, some may find it too detached from fictional storytelling and dislike it. There isnt a correct feeling to have.

This.

 

[hex]

This.

What would a strong conclusion be?

Fred.

 

[obarth]

A happy ending is the last thing I got from that episode

 

[Jax]

What would a strong conclusion be?

Fred.

One of the politicians getting arrested, Rust dying. Finding a girl. Anything.

 

[Type Username Here]

One of the politicians getting arrested, Rust dying. Finding a girl. Anything.

Why? Why did you need that to happen?

 

[boskey]

It's funny, the idea that the happy ending is a cliche, when damn near ALL entries in this genre have some "deep" downer ending.

lol maybe that was the "big twist" after all. I don't think anyone guessed that Rust would find Jesus while in a coma

It is interesting how in this new age of TV we expect and damn near demand for the protagonist to die or suffer in some way

 

[Type Username Here]

lol maybe that was the "big twist" after all. I don't think anyone guessed that Rust would find Jesus while in a coma

It is interesting how in this new age of TV we expect and damn near demand for the "good guys" to die or suffer in some way

I agree with the second statement. It's what makes the Sopranos finale so genius in my opinion.

 

[Czerka]

One of the politicians getting arrested, Rust dying. Finding a girl. Anything.

dont forget that the tuttles probably killed off one of their own fam (reverend tuttle) after rust broke in. the tuttles werent fukkin around. marty and rust had zero chance of exposing any of them.

 

[boskey]

I agree. It's what makes the Sopranos finale so genius in my opinion.

How so?

lol I hated that ending at the time and still don't really like it.

 

[Walt]

It's funny, the idea that the happy ending is a cliche, when damn near ALL entries in this genre have some "deep" downer ending.

Explain what genre you've decided this is, and then back this up. The Miniseries? The detective show? Serial killer genre? Because no, "damn near all" don't end with some deep downer ending, nor should they, nor is anyone looking for that. Writing, film, all of it follows an inherent logic that it builds piece by piece, scene by scene. Books, movies, etc teach you how to read them as they unfold. It's quite common for television shows and movies to subvert their own inherent logic in order to produce more palatable endings, but there's nothing novel about that. Endings with protagonists surviving near fatal injuries is as blah as it gets. Redemption and light triumphing over dark is bankable, audiences eat that bullshyt up, it's how a lot of us reinforce the myths that have been sold to us forever in this society.

Anyway, I always feel put off when a show subverts the logic it has established. Season 5 of the Wire comes to mind.

 

[Type Username Here]

Explain what genre you've decided this is, and then back this up. The Miniseries? The detective show? Serial killer genre? Because no, "damn near all" don't end with some deep downer ending, nor should they, nor is anyone looking for that. Writing, film, all of it follows an inherent logic that it builds piece by piece, scene by scene. Books, movies, etc teach you how to read them as they unfold. It's quite common for television shows and movies to subvert their own inherent logic in order to produce more palatable endings, but there's nothing novel about that. Endings with protagonists surviving near fatal injuries is as blah as it gets. Redemption and light triumphing over dark is bankable, audiences eat that bullshyt up, it's how a lot of us reinforce the myths that have been sold to us forever in this society.

Anyway, I always feel put off when a show subverts the logic it has established. Season 5 of the Wire comes to mind.

Finally, someone else. That Serial Killer subplot was fukking horrible. I know I'm in the minority for that one but good god.

 

[Walt]

Finally, someone else. That Serial Killer subplot was fukking horrible. I know I'm in the minority for that one but good god.

Word? People liked that shyt? Most of my people thought that shyt was bogus too. I've seen every season of The Wire between 7 and 9 times (this would make more sense if I gave you context) except season 5, which I could only watch 1&1/2 times.

It wasn't just the serial killer subplot either. It was that a show that masterfully conveyed shades of grey suddenly became starkly black and white in how it treated plots and characters.