True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

[USSInsiders]

That & the paperboy are up next.

Magic Mike was a dopey vehicle for Channing Tatum to steal the black mans dance moves on his way to the peoples sexiest man award. He's the Eminem of greezy dancing.


But Matt was hilarious as the aging beefcake.

n/h

Who am I kidding though, McCoughandgay is a dime

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I feel you but this is what I was saying about people letting their perception of the character color their opinion of the show. Not you, I mean earlier in the thread.

The same goes for guesses or "what if this happened?". The thread is full of that shyt but once people start letting it affect their ability to enjoy the show because it ain't turning out how they feel it should, it's a problem.

Fred.

this entire thread would be a perfect case study

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Which makes me wonder what direction is the writer gonna take for next season, I dunno bout y'all but I'm ignoring all the little tidbit Easter eggs next time and just try to enjoy the ride

Please do man. And stay away from reddit scholars.

"You're looking at it wrong Marty. It used to be all darkness, I'd say the light is winning."

Thats deep.

@ Russ getting an preview of "Cosmos" right before ol boy stabbed him.

and it premiered the same night as the episode

the dualities

 

[tru_m.a.c]

that place was dope as fukk creepy lookin. imagine a paintball game on that property

or manhunt

That Carcosa shyt was demonic as fukk yet in a weird way somewhat beautiful...

When Rust cleared that courtyard, and the director zoomed out on the maze, I was like

Imagine if you're a kid down there and you happened to escape those dudes. *Dave Chappelle voice* Who you gonna run toooooo?

Looks like his daughter wasn't taken by the yellow king, she just became a hoe on her own.

Man, get the fukk out of this thread for that bullshyt, I dont even know what that other shyt is, but if you really just compared this shyt to Lost you got a problem bruh

get em!

 

[tru_m.a.c]

This moment had me like....

Even though I personally think it was *just* one of his visions coming back....still awe-inspiring.

I swear to gawd, when this happened I was like, "What the fukk? Is this the ending to Assassins Creed all over again? We bout to jump out of the universe and talk to some Gods and find out this is all a game?"

 

[Hammer]

you dudes are overanalyzing this shyt way too much

it was a fukking miniseries, 8 episodes...what the fukk did u expect? it was dope

 

[tru_m.a.c]

i keep wondering if there is some element of breaking the 4th wall with this show

i.e. the characters looking into the camera, Marty literally asking NP "Why are you making me say this shyt", etc.​

Nah we've talked about it before. The most blatant example is when Rust takes the cocaine out of the evidence room and says, "we should really have a better system then that."

The show had conditioned us to fear the woods, and the swamps and plains because they were hiding something.

Very solid point.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Nah. He never said that. Someone on Twitter asked him about having stronger female characters and he said "next season". The internet went nuts like "next season 2 women detectives, confirmed!" so he deleted the Tweet and has said he's not going to let people sway his creative process.

Fred.

When you're at that level of self awareness, its already hard to "like" the general public. I'm sure he has a new hate for people after this season lol.

I just watched Ep. 8 again. Am I the only one that was surprised ole girl was alive at the end? I thought for sure Marty ended her.

I think we all had a "did skull fukkn Marty show up?" moment

To quote Pizzolatto, the writer/creator: "And I believe what Rust articulates there, is actually extraordinarily optimistic, and not based in sentiment. It's based in physics. Optimism is no more necessarily an illusion than pessimism. And that's what Rust is admitting in the end, in the only way that he knows how."

Beautiful.

This quote exemplifies Marty's statement at the church in the swamp, "For someone who sees no point in existence, you sure fret about it an awful lot."

The nihilist would make the argument that the average joe creates a superficial level of significance. The crux of their argument would state that the average joe actively searches for meaning where there is none. They'd say doing this means you live this illusion of importance.

What Pizz(that's his name now) is showing through Rust's character, is that avoiding a connection with the world and other people, creates an opposite state of illusion (and fault of character) that the nihilist criticizes the optimist for. Whereas the optimist actively searches and accepts, the nihilist actively rejects.

Rust searches to prove it is meaningless, a mess of lurid desire and ignorance--that there isn't more to life than one breath, there is just no more.

Nihilist, to my knowledge, do not "search" to "prove" meaning.

 

[beanz]

As sentient meat, however illusory our identities are, we craft those identities by making value judgments. Everybody judges all the time. Now, you got a problem with that, you're living wrong. - Rust Cohle

true detective's dialogue >>>>>>>>>>



i dont see how they gonna top season 1 but i cant wait to watch them try. even if they fall short, im sure it will still be quality TV.

 

[god=nature=we'reFUCKED]

Faster than Tony Soprano under pressure

 

[Microfracture]

I hesitate to wade into this discussion of the finale because the shyt seems contentious already, but fukk it...

I kind of liked it. I definitely didn't love it. Of the 8 episodes this ranked near the bottom for me.

There's a cliche, annoying phrase people use in writing classes when assessing short fiction: did this story earn its ending? I didn't think what I saw in episode 8 was a natural extension of or conclusion to what we'd seen over the season's build up. That's not saying the episode was wack or the show is somehow now a letdown, so sheath your knives, zealots.

One major issue for me was pace. The pace of the entire show, of life in rural Lousiana, of the characters' lives was an enjoyably slow, messy burn. The final episode felt quick and neat. I was worried about that after episode 7, because, shyt, how the fukk can you tie up so much we've obsessed over in one hour. Of course you can't, and the point of the show is that it reflects the nature of the human experience, where loose ends are more prominent in a life than closure... But still, I wanted at least a bit more. Maybe an extra half hour would've allowed for that.

Anyway, yeah, the green paint seemed like a cheap trick to bridge an impasse.The serial killer was dope, accents were great, house was creepy - but I wanted better than a standard "chase the killer into his lair" scene. The vicious stabbing and resultant "cliffhanger" as to whether Rust lives felt hackneyed, as did the last-second headshot. Throw in the tender moment outside the hospital (and yes, Matty Mac killed that scene, no doubt, he was on fire) and the final line about the light... Suddenly a show that hooked me by operating outside of conventions shrunk itself to fit comfortably within them.

I flashed back to the movie Se7en a lot while watching this season. Both have distinctive cinematography, that slow burn pace, a tense partnership between two compelling detectives, one more impulsive and hotheaded, the other more world-weary and prone to philosophizing about human nature and the ugliness of the world. To make this as simple and succinct as possible: True Detective, for whatever reason, didn't put the head in the box.

If there's no head in the box, and somehow they catch Spacey's character, we get the traditional hero moment, I guess. Or if Brad Pitt's character doesn't shoot Spacey... Whatever the case, the movie ends with Brad Pitt having quite literally stared into the face of evil, into the horror, and being forever ruined by it. Morgan Freeman maintains his ethics and his wisdom but he is also profoundly changed. "The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for." Freeman's character will only concede the latter half. And that is what True Detective built itself to be on a collision course with - and what is represented by the "Yellow King," a play so horrifying it ruins its audience - "the horror, the horror." The world as worth fighting for, sure - but not the world in which light is gaining on dark and quasi-religious epiphanies restore a man to some existential equilibrium. Instead of ruin, we get redemption. And that felt like a capitulation to tastes dictated by convention, not a conclusion worthy of all the scenes that built on each other to reach that point.

All that said, I thoroughly enjoyed the show. I agree with Mel though, that it was on the brink of being transcendent, but ended up being an excellent show instead. Which isn't the worst thing one can say about a program.

I agree. The only problem with the finale was that it didn't fit within the atmosphere that had been created in the slow, steady buildup. Too neat and tidy without a grim payoff.

When you look back at all the people Rust had interviewed or questioned about this thing, there were so many forboding undertones that made me believe "hey, this sh1t is not gonna end well". Remember when Ladoux was talking to Rust "you're in Carcosa now".....it felt like he was almost putting a hex on him.

I still loved the show so I'm not gonna let the fact that it ended conveniently ruin it for me. It will be something I rewatch straight through one day.

I'm just saying, imagine if Marty didn't make it and he wasn't there to get Rust to talk through his near death experience...Rust would still hold the same beliefs that life is a disease without purpose. He would have no cathartic release and it would've made for a more fitting macabre ending.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I understand that... I was just looking at what he was saying as him now believing that his loved ones were waiting for him in the afterlife and now that he knew that, he didn't mind dying. He actually sounded upset that he lived through what had happened. I don't know, we all interpret things differently I guess.

Yeah I agree with that. He was definitely sad that he woke up.

 

[Pifferry]

I honestly don't see how people thought that everything Rust was spitting was the truth. I thought that they made it obvious that some of it was a cover for his grief and that he was a vulnerable as any human being.

 

[Nature Boy Ric Flair]

Uh....what?

You just said the exact same thing I did. He said his programming over rides his philosophy. So again, what good is philosophy if you don't live by it? If Rust seriously believed what he said there would be no conversation with Marty, because he would've committed suicide before they ever met.

You know, for someone that likes to say he's above going back and forth on the 'net, you nitpick the most random shyt. The line starting with "EXCEPT" in your post made 90% of what came before it obsolete.

Fred.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[King Koopa]

GREAT season. Both leading actors killed it. Looking forward to the next