Adam3000
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You can blame the writing for that, not McGawdyahweh's performance
EDIT: nevermind I think I misread your point, you werent criticizing the performance
True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)
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EDIT: nevermind I think I misread your point, you werent criticizing the performance
Big Mel
@bigboss
i do. i just thought they could have truly been provocative and settled for ho hum. i just hope after seeing Matt's oscar speech where he thanked god that he isn't a covert religious freak. he's too cool at the moment for me to have to swallow that dopey pill.
LastManStanding
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of course McConauGAWD will get most of the attention from this show (and he deserves it), but let's not forget about Woody.
dude has been one of the best actors out there for years now. most notably
also, who else remembers him from the Will Smith movie "Seven Pounds"? Will was a dikkhead to him in this scene
but they all good now
dude has been one of the best actors out there for years now. most notably
also, who else remembers him from the Will Smith movie "Seven Pounds"? Will was a dikkhead to him in this scene
but they all good now
That's a valid complaint but I look at it like this. I separate Rust the man from Rust the philosophy. I never necessarily bought all that shyt he was saying....hell, he told people in the very first ep he was a hypocrite. He went on this rant about how mankind should opt out of existence by "walking hand-in-hand into extinction" and when Marty pulled his card on some "so why are you alive then?" Rust admitted he wasn't any better than anyone else, and wanted to be alive.
If he was that hardline about the shyt he says there wouldn't be a show because he'd either be dead from suicide, or he'd be a weirdo recluse from jump street. He sure as hell wouldn't be on the front lines of humanity's problems, as a cop. So I took it as, he used all that philosophical rambling and bleak posturing as a kind of armor against hope or being happy. Keep in mind he was a "normal" person once, happily married.
Fred.
Big Mel
@bigboss
yeah. i mean i get it. but you have no idea how much Rust's character resonated with me. it's like he was spitting my life's manifesto every Sunday.
LastManStanding
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I highly doubt that. he's always been Christian from what I know, but far from being "religious right wing" type.
btw ain't nothing wrong with him or anyone expressing their views like he did. regardless of what they believe in. it's not like he shoved it down people's throats.
if anything it was a risky move for him in this day and age to even dare mention the word "God" on a platform like that. now if he had stood up there and spent 3 minutes preaching about the most fashionable and trendy topic in the U.S. these days (gay marriage), then he would be a hero and even bigger story in the media.
I feel you but this is what I was saying about people letting their perception of the character color their opinion of the show. Not you, I mean earlier in the thread.
The same goes for guesses or
"what if this happened?". The thread is full of that shyt but once people start letting it affect their ability to enjoy the show because it ain't turning out how they feel it should, it's a problem.Fred.
Big Mel
@bigboss
It seemed more new agey than jesus freaky. i happen to have met woody harrelson and am well aware of his little Hawaiian utopia lifestyle and it's all new agey.
Adam3000
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That's a valid complaint but I look at it like this. I separate Rust the man from Rust the philosophy. I never necessarily bought all that shyt he was saying....hell, he told people in the very first ep he was a hypocrite. He went on this rant about how mankind should opt out of existence by "walking hand-in-hand into extinction" and when Marty pulled his card on some "so why are you alive then?" Rust admitted he wasn't any better than anyone else, and wanted to be alive.
If he was that hardline about the shyt he says there wouldn't be a show because he'd either be dead from suicide, or he'd be a weirdo recluse from jump street. He sure as hell wouldn't be on the front lines of humanity's problems, as a cop. So I took it as, he used all that philosophical rambling and bleak posturing as a kind of armor against hope or being happy. Keep in mind he was a "normal" person once, happily married.
Fred.
That didn't happen that way. Marty asked him why he gets out of bed in the morning. Rust responded "I would say I bear witness. But the obvious answer is its my programming. And I lack the constitution for suicide"......meaning, his programming doesn't allow for suicide either
So most of that defense you posted is rendered moot because you have the conversation wrong. EXCEPT your last sentence which is the real key and is the defense that probably works in this case. At one point in time, Rust was a normal guy with kids. So all that shyt he spouted for 20 years was not the way he was his whole life. It is never really stated, but I think the implication has to be that he became the way he was once his daughter died and his life fell apart.
So you are correct, there is a defense to the writing in this scenario and an explanation for his final change of heart (especially combined with the near-death experience which can change anyone).
On the other hand, there is still plenty of reason for people to find his end behavior implausible or character-damaging
I hesitate to wade into this discussion of the finale because the shyt seems contentious already, but fukk it...
I kind of liked it. I definitely didn't love it. Of the 8 episodes this ranked near the bottom for me.
There's a cliche, annoying phrase people use in writing classes when assessing short fiction: did this story earn its ending? I didn't think what I saw in episode 8 was a natural extension of or conclusion to what we'd seen over the season's build up. That's not saying the episode was wack or the show is somehow now a letdown, so sheath your knives, zealots.
One major issue for me was pace. The pace of the entire show, of life in rural Lousiana, of the characters' lives was an enjoyably slow, messy burn. The final episode felt quick and neat. I was worried about that after episode 7, because, shyt, how the fukk can you tie up so much we've obsessed over in one hour. Of course you can't, and the point of the show is that it reflects the nature of the human experience, where loose ends are more prominent in a life than closure... But still, I wanted at least a bit more. Maybe an extra half hour would've allowed for that.
Anyway, yeah, the green paint seemed like a cheap trick to bridge an impasse.The serial killer was dope, accents were great, house was creepy - but I wanted better than a standard "chase the killer into his lair" scene. The vicious stabbing and resultant "cliffhanger" as to whether Rust lives felt hackneyed, as did the last-second headshot. Throw in the tender moment outside the hospital (and yes, Matty Mac killed that scene, no doubt, he was on fire) and the final line about the light... Suddenly a show that hooked me by operating outside of conventions shrunk itself to fit comfortably within them.
I flashed back to the movie Se7en a lot while watching this season. Both have distinctive cinematography, that slow burn pace, a tense partnership between two compelling detectives, one more impulsive and hotheaded, the other more world-weary and prone to philosophizing about human nature and the ugliness of the world. To make this as simple and succinct as possible: True Detective, for whatever reason, didn't put the head in the box.
If there's no head in the box, and somehow they catch Spacey's character, we get the traditional hero moment, I guess. Or if Brad Pitt's character doesn't shoot Spacey... Whatever the case, the movie ends with Brad Pitt having quite literally stared into the face of evil, into the horror, and being forever ruined by it. Morgan Freeman maintains his ethics and his wisdom but he is also profoundly changed. "The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for." Freeman's character will only concede the latter half. And that is what True Detective built itself to be on a collision course with - and what is represented by the "Yellow King," a play so horrifying it ruins its audience - "the horror, the horror." The world as worth fighting for, sure - but not the world in which light is gaining on dark and quasi-religious epiphanies restore a man to some existential equilibrium. Instead of ruin, we get redemption. And that felt like a capitulation to tastes dictated by convention, not a conclusion worthy of all the scenes that built on each other to reach that point.
All that said, I thoroughly enjoyed the show. I agree with Mel though, that it was on the brink of being transcendent, but ended up being an excellent show instead. Which isn't the worst thing one can say about a program.
I kind of liked it. I definitely didn't love it. Of the 8 episodes this ranked near the bottom for me.
There's a cliche, annoying phrase people use in writing classes when assessing short fiction: did this story earn its ending? I didn't think what I saw in episode 8 was a natural extension of or conclusion to what we'd seen over the season's build up. That's not saying the episode was wack or the show is somehow now a letdown, so sheath your knives, zealots.
One major issue for me was pace. The pace of the entire show, of life in rural Lousiana, of the characters' lives was an enjoyably slow, messy burn. The final episode felt quick and neat. I was worried about that after episode 7, because, shyt, how the fukk can you tie up so much we've obsessed over in one hour. Of course you can't, and the point of the show is that it reflects the nature of the human experience, where loose ends are more prominent in a life than closure... But still, I wanted at least a bit more. Maybe an extra half hour would've allowed for that.
Anyway, yeah, the green paint seemed like a cheap trick to bridge an impasse.The serial killer was dope, accents were great, house was creepy - but I wanted better than a standard "chase the killer into his lair" scene. The vicious stabbing and resultant "cliffhanger" as to whether Rust lives felt hackneyed, as did the last-second headshot. Throw in the tender moment outside the hospital (and yes, Matty Mac killed that scene, no doubt, he was on fire) and the final line about the light... Suddenly a show that hooked me by operating outside of conventions shrunk itself to fit comfortably within them.
I flashed back to the movie Se7en a lot while watching this season. Both have distinctive cinematography, that slow burn pace, a tense partnership between two compelling detectives, one more impulsive and hotheaded, the other more world-weary and prone to philosophizing about human nature and the ugliness of the world. To make this as simple and succinct as possible: True Detective, for whatever reason, didn't put the head in the box.
If there's no head in the box, and somehow they catch Spacey's character, we get the traditional hero moment, I guess. Or if Brad Pitt's character doesn't shoot Spacey... Whatever the case, the movie ends with Brad Pitt having quite literally stared into the face of evil, into the horror, and being forever ruined by it. Morgan Freeman maintains his ethics and his wisdom but he is also profoundly changed. "The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for." Freeman's character will only concede the latter half. And that is what True Detective built itself to be on a collision course with - and what is represented by the "Yellow King," a play so horrifying it ruins its audience - "the horror, the horror." The world as worth fighting for, sure - but not the world in which light is gaining on dark and quasi-religious epiphanies restore a man to some existential equilibrium. Instead of ruin, we get redemption. And that felt like a capitulation to tastes dictated by convention, not a conclusion worthy of all the scenes that built on each other to reach that point.
All that said, I thoroughly enjoyed the show. I agree with Mel though, that it was on the brink of being transcendent, but ended up being an excellent show instead. Which isn't the worst thing one can say about a program.
Uh....what?
You just said the exact same thing I did. He said his programming over rides his philosophy. So again, what good is philosophy if you don't live by it? If Rust seriously believed what he said there would be no conversation with Marty, because he would've committed suicide before they ever met.
You know, for someone that likes to say he's above going back and forth on the 'net, you nitpick the most random shyt. The line starting with "EXCEPT" in your post made 90% of what came before it obsolete.
Fred.
Adam3000
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I like your thought about it being Se7en without the head in the box. Really a fitting analogy
Adam3000
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Uh....what?
You just said the exact same thing I did. He said his programming over rides his philosophy. So again, what good is philosophy if you don't live by it? If Rust seriously believed what he said there would be no conversation with Marty, because he would've committed suicide before they ever met.
Fred.
Do you even read your own posts? Or do you just spout off a bunch of shyt then forget about it, then completely ignore the reason someone called you out on it.
Let me refresh what you said:
That never happened. You made up the contents of that conversation and changed the wording to fit the narrative you were trying to spew. You then followed it up with this:
This argument becomes moot when you ignore Rusts words that you made up and look at what he actually said.
Non sequitur. He says something later in the series about him being who he is is exactly what made him perfect for becoming a cop, I don't remember which episode or the context. The point is, your statement here that he wouldn't be a cop if he believed the shyt he was spewing is unfounded.
This is the only shyt you said that was relevant, which is why I quoted you and agreed with you. But classic Fred has to posture and defend every single point he made even when his points have been shown to be wrong.
Wow, what a surprise. You are making up words that never came out of my mouth to make a new point. I never once said I'm above going back and forth on the net. I do it all the time. What I said was, people get tired of going back and forth with you because you are annoyingly relentless and fanatical and often shift the narrative and eventually cause people to give up and move on. Case in point.....this response you just made. (Oddly enough I was agreeing with your main message yet you still found a way to continue the argument)
Ummm...the only thing I said before "EXCEPT" was quoting the exact words that Rust spoke to Marty in the car. I'm sorry you consider facts obsolete, next time I will just make up quotes from the show to support my point
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USSInsiders
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I'm still at him going from shytty ass romantic comedies to being the current GOAT actor
at him going from shytty ass romantic comedies to being the current GOAT actor
I'm still
Ok, so make another GOAT.