True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

[TheDarceKnight]

the lack of titties in this episode got dudes on edge

Right?

Damn the tension in here is intense.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

how do they wrap all this shyt up in one episode?i dont think maggie is involved but she was one of them girls trained. also she said one of their daughters is taking her meds regularly so i guess that confirms what we thought about her getting ran thru

Yeah the daughter must suffer from depression. Makes sense. She was raped as a 16 year old by two 20 year old boys. Then her parents divorced.

 

[hex]

Yeah the daughter must suffer from depression. Makes sense. She was raped as a 16 year old by two 20 year old boys. Then her parents divorced.

Raped?

Fred.

 

[BigSteve]

Sometimes I find myself dapping multiple posts in a row, getting on a roll.

Then sometimes this thread makes me want to put my laptop on the ground and kick the shyt out of it like a red kickball.

 

[BigSteve]

Are you serious? This is not for him yet . He needs more seasoning .

I will admit that you are right on that.

 

[BigSteve]

Yeah the daughter must suffer from depression. Makes sense. She was raped as a 16 year old by two 20 year old boys. Then her parents divorced.

If by "raped" you mean, "thrillingly tossed"

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Raped?

Fred.

If by "raped" you mean, "thrillingly tossed"

If that's my daughter, she was raped.
If I'm one of the 20 year old boys, I'm absolutely fighting the charge.

I'm taking the high road on this one and saying they took advantage of her father issues, lack of family support and fragile mind state.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Damn brehs episode was shyt is all coming together now. I'm not sure how I feel about the lawnmower reveal. We've had 1 small interaction with that character one that people would easily forget but it turns out to be such a big deal.

 

[hex]

Anything about Maggie being in on it is nothing but speculation at this point. I see people talking about the dolls and the fukked up daughter, but how does that implicate Maggie? She's got a big house? She remarried a rich guy.

I mean I guess anything can happen, but I've never got the feeling she was in on it. If she was, she had the perfect opportunity to fukk over Marty and Rust in 2012 and didn't take it. And she could've split them apart well before 2002 as well.

We'll see next Sunday.

EDIT: I WILL say that the painting above her bed being in the mental hospital is pretty fukking weird. Might be just an easter egg though?

I have no idea what that's about so I'm gonna assume it's an easter egg. Or maybe it's not. It could just be a coincidence, albeit a very odd one.

I'm more tripping off the Photoshopped school picture than I am a painting on Marty's wall though. Still no reference to that at all.

Fred.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Gotta lighten the mood in here a little bit:
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...e-detective-em-reinvents-itself-again/284141/

Here’s one thought that hadn’t occurred to me before: satire. We’ve always known True Detective plays with the tropes of the cops-and-killers genre, but in this past hour there were times when I wondered whether the show was straight-up making fun of the characters and maybe even the audience. Creepy music and dark lighting ratchets up tension before it’s revealed that Rust’s storage unit is basically a True Detective comment thread in diorama form. A lovely old lady reminisces warmly until some twig drawings send her into a mad fit of coughing and “Carcosa!” The jolly lawnmower man makes a nefarious-sounding reveal to the camera after detectives cut him off mid-sentence and drive away.

I was like "give me a fukkn break" during that scene. Really? It took them that long to film the stereotypical old black voodoo woman in the bayou

For the first three episodes of True Detective, it sure looked as though it was going to resemble a well-scored film: the palpable mood, the stately pace, the spectacular use of the watery Louisiana landscape, the immaculate then-and-now structure, and yes, even Cohle’s languid philosophizing—all felt like parts of a coherent, unfolding whole. I know you didn’t much care for it, Spencer, but I fell for it and fell hard. Episode four, the biker neo-noir, seemed like a temporary discursion—and it was, we just never quite returned to where we’d been before. Episode five was the big re-shuffling of the deck, episode six was all tainted love and cycles of wounded vengeance, and now, with episode seven, we’ve entered the relatively familiar territory of the police procedural. So, yes, a jukebox series it is, for better or worse. Maybe the big episode eight finale will play a song we’ve heard before. Maybe it will opt for something from a different genre altogether.

I absolutely agree with his description of the story. I don't feel like I'm as on the edge as I was during episode 1-3. Love scenes tend to do that to me.

I’ll confess, though, that I’m as much a sucker as anyone for seeing Cohle and Hart back together again following the over-engineered betrayals of the last episode. It’s true that the rapprochement happened a bit quickly. (As a befuddled Maggie notes, “All this time, you two, just—just like that?”) But I guess the videotape was pretty persuasive.

This bytch. How the fukk dare she make that comment. Skull fukkn Marty would've yoked her up back in the day. They stopped talking because of YOU. Now you wanna act all when they start talking again!?

I’d happily watch a spin-off of Rust and Marty bunking together in a retirement community, bickering into the sunset.

Rust and Marty..photoshop it brehs

 

[Pifferry]

People are really sleeping on Woody Harellson's performance. He's been on par with mccounawhatever for the entire show. The only person I've seen display as much unbridled and pure rage on television recently is Dean Norris, another underrated actor.

 

[obarth]

What mythical figure? I can only deduce the character from what is presented to me on the screen. His behavior is consistent throughout the film except for ONE scene. A scene that conveniently forwards the plot. Did the scene not advance the plot in a convenient manner? Yes or No?



What rapport are you speaking about?



See above and you're assuming that his intelligence ceases when he's out of work. Convenient once again. You're doing the work for writer.




You do realize that human beings have subjective approaches to existence, nihilism being one of them. You do realize there are nihilists? It has nothing to do with a Philosophical Superhero, ALL humans relate to some philosophical view of existence. Do you understand? I can only judge the character that has been presented to me on the screen (or the book) and what I am saying is that that particular philosophical view is rare on television. It has nothing to do with worship of any philosophical tenant. I'll have a minor in Philosophy and I have read and written enough about most of the subject as to not require a TV show to validate any of my opinion. I am criticizing from an entertainment and technical writing point of view. Nothing more.

It had nothing to do with Rust's intelligence ceasing.

This is a man consumed by a case, was able to formulate a plan to escape police/attacks in Episode 4 despite taking an insane amount of drugs, meticulous in decision-making as well as being told repeatedly throughout the show that he was able to read people and their intentions extremely well.

The character presented to you on screen was a lot more complex than that quote. Those traits you described were always on display while on the case. He's almost always on the case so we see those traits a lot. That is not the extent of his character. I'm not assuming anything. He's meticulous in decision making but get's drunk before going to dinner at Marty's because he couldn't think of a reason not to. As if going to another man's home for dinner and to meet his family is not a reason not to. I'm not doing any work for the writer, I'm just able to see what's going on instead of putting my hopes for a character that takes a purely philosophical approach to life ahead of what's going on on screen. Rust does talk a good game. Perfect example of which is when he meets Maggie at the diner in episode 4. He says men and women aren't supposed to work except to make kids. Maggie says he's just like the others when it comes to making rationalizations. Then she says "You must have been a great husband" and Rust storms out. Him storming out, clearly offended by what she said, is contradicting what he just said. That scene alone illustrates the point about him talking a good game. If men and women aren't supposed to work except for making kids, why get upset that someone questioned how good a husband you are, especially when you achieved the whole point of man and woman and made a kid? Rust is a guy who dealt with tragedy and it changed him to what he is now, and while he's done a really good job of repressing the Rust that used to care it's still in there. Rust is philosophical. Expecting him to live every second of his life and base every decision he makes on some sort of philosophical criteria is silly. We're impulsive, emotional, and at times (even Rust) unthinking.

The fact that Maggie was able to manipulate Rust doesn't have anything to do with Rust's "intelligence ceasing". All the intelligence in the world isn't going to change the fact that Rust is wholly outmatched in an emotionally charged situation like that. Maggie isn't a suspect that he's trying to break/get a confession out of or a potential witness he's trying to get information out of. He understands the psyche's of people in those situations and preys on their desire for repentance and catharsis. That's not the psyche Maggie enters his apartment with. It's a woman we've seen get him to open up about his past and legitimately get under his skin about that same past. Maggie is unique amongst the rest of the cast in that she's the only one we've seen actually give a fukk about dude besides that chick he ends up dating. Maybe you didn't build Rust up to be something he's not, but you definitely misinterpreted what he really is if you're saying that he was presented to you as someone who wouldn't do what he did.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

People are really sleeping on Woody Harellson's performance. He's been on par with mccounawhatever for the entire show. The only person I've seen display as much unbridled and pure rage on television recently is Dean Norris, another underrated actor.

I have matthew mcconaughey's name as one of my top google hits. I refuse to try and spell it on my own.

 

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It had nothing to do with Rust's intelligence ceasing.

The character presented to you on screen was a lot more complex than that quote. Those traits you described were always on display while on the case. He's almost always on the case so we see those traits a lot. That is not the extent of his character. I'm not assuming anything. He's meticulous in decision making but get's drunk before going to dinner at Marty's because he couldn't think of a reason not to. As if going to another man's home for dinner and to meet his family is not a reason not to. I'm not doing any work for the writer, I'm just able to see what's going on instead of putting my hopes for a character that takes a purely philosophical approach to life ahead of what's going on on screen. Rust does talk a good game. Perfect example of which is when he meets Maggie at the diner in episode 4. He says men and women aren't supposed to work except to make kids. Maggie says he's just like the others when it comes to making rationalizations. Then she says "You must have been a great husband" and Rust storms out. Him storming out, clearly offended by what she said, is contradicting what he just said. That scene alone illustrates the point about him talking a good game. If men and women aren't supposed to work except for making kids, why get upset that someone questioned how good a husband you are, especially when you achieved the whole point of man and woman and made a kid? Rust is a guy who dealt with tragedy and it changed him to what he is now, and while he's done a really good job of repressing the Rust that used to care it's still in there. Rust is philosophical. Expecting him to live every second of his life and base every decision he makes on some sort of philosophical criteria is silly. We're impulsive, emotional, and at times (even Rust) unthinking.

The fact that Maggie was able to manipulate Rust doesn't have anything to do with Rust's "intelligence ceasing". All the intelligence in the world isn't going to change the fact that Rust is wholly outmatched in an emotionally charged situation like that. Maggie isn't a suspect that he's trying to break/get a confession out of or a potential witness he's trying to get information out of. He understands the psyche's of people in those situations and preys on their desire for repentance and catharsis. That's not the psyche Maggie enters his apartment with. It's a woman we've seen get him to open up about his past and legitimately get under his skin about that same past. Maggie is unique amongst the rest of the cast in that she's the only one we've seen actually give a fukk about dude besides that chick he ends up dating. Maybe you didn't build Rust up to be something he's not, but you definitely misinterpreted what he really is if you're saying that he was presented to you as someone who wouldn't do what he did.

Listen, I disagree with you. Your argument is well laid out but I don't see it that way. The show is great, and whether or not we'll ever agree, it is good to have discussions like this once in a while instead of us postings gifs and smileys.

Even if I feel the writing got lazy or cliched here and there, it is still better than most of what is on television. I'd much rather take the lazy writing here as opposed to the lazy writing on Weeds, The Walking Dead or Lost.

 

[BigSteve]

Gonna be a lot of "TOLD YOU SO" whenever the director commentary comes out