True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

[We Major]

I love coming in here after an ep and seeing the discussion

Metal Gear Rust taking down the Tuttle's one by one

 

[Type Username Here]

Some of these dudes gettin real self-righteous about defending this show.

Brother Fred has a history of that. He would go ham in the Breaking Bad thread. I still love him though.

The thing cats don't understand (not saying Fred) is that the excuse "the writer had it planned" is not an excuse. The audience judges based on what is shown to us. We decipher patterns as we are presented the characters and plot.

To sit here and say that True Detective had no "audience-crime-solving" element to it is absurd. It was deliberately presented that way, including promos. To me, that's not the most important thing. You can check my posts earlier on about my praise of the show and it mainly involved technical elements. I also said I expected an anti-climatic ending but I totally understand how some people are disappointed with how the plot is being wrapped up.

 

[hex]

That slip up exists in a vacuum when you take into consideration the characters behavior outside of that scene. What I have said is that Nic got lazy there in my opinion. It actually seems very obvious that it was plot advancement at the cost of a character's behavior.

This is a man consumed by a case, was able to formulate a plan to escape police/attacks in Episode 4 despite taking an insane amount of drugs, meticulous in decision-making as well as being told repeatedly throughout the show that he was able to read people and their intentions extremely well. So we take all the information provided to us there, and we get to throw it away for 20 seconds under the guise of "he's just human". As soon as he nuts, he goes back to behavior in the same manner for the rest of the years as he did before the sex.

It literally exists in a vacuum when you take into account the character we were presented.

It only exists in a vacuum if you completely disregard how he ended up in 2012. It seems out of character up to that point....after that point, how he ended up, it's pretty obvious for all his philosophical ramblings, how he handled that is completely inline with who he actually is. Not who he claims to be. Like I said earlier in the thread he gave you a clue about that in ep 1, when he admitted he can't override his "programming". He's just a human.

Pizzolatto wrote all 8 eps at once, he knew exactly who Rust really was when he made him fukk Maggie.

Fred.

 

[Type Username Here]

It only exists in a vacuum if you completely disregard how he ended up in 2012. It seems out of character up to that point....after that point, how he ended up, it's pretty obvious for all his philosophical ramblings, how he handled that is completely inline with who he actually is. Not who he claims to be. Like I said earlier in the thread he gave you a clue about that in ep 1, when he admitted he can't override his "programming". He's just a human.

Pizzolatto wrote all 8 eps at once, he knew exactly who Rust really was when he made him fukk Maggie.

Fred.

Can you tell me what the difference is between 1995 Rust and 2012 Rust besides appearance?

He's still cold (watching the entire tape of a child being raped to see if the suspects took off their masks), still obsessed with the case, most of his philosophical ramblings occurs in 2012 during the interview, still is great at reading people/interrogation, he had a drinking problem in 95 and still has one in 2012.

Tell me what exactly is different here?

 

[hex]

Can you tell me what the difference is between 1995 Rust and 2012 Rust besides appearance?

He's still cold (watching the entire tape of a child being raped to see if the suspects took off their masks), still obsessed with the case, most of his philosophical ramblings occurs in 2012 during the interview, still is great at reading people/interrogation, he had a drinking problem in 95 and still has one in 2012.

Tell me what exactly is different here?

Are you serious?

In '95 he pretends to be in control. Shows no emotion. Masks his insecurities with philosophical ramblings.

Which, again, the writer of the show pointed that out via Marty. You took that for who he is, that's not who he is.

In 2012 he's a wreck. He's out of control. He's basically in Crash mode 24/7. Breaking into people houses and stealing safes and shyt. He admits he thought he lost his mind.

shyt man....Marty even comments on how different Rust acts in 2012. And if you read earlier in the thread a ton of people thought 2012 Rust was some kind of "character" he created to fool the cops. That's how different he is in those scenes.

He don't have split personalities. I'm not saying "he's a completely different person". He's just who he's always been....fukking Maggie was a view into that.

Fred.

 

[Huellz Santana]

i know this is a good show due to how yall are trippin over trivial shyt.

i used to get shunned in the Walking Dead threads for calling out the lack of plot/character development.
I used to get shunned in the Dexter threads for calling out the crappy writing.

maybe im easy to please but this shyt is awesome and I have no complaints.​

 

[hex]

I don't know know what made cats think this was some interactive show for them to put their Sherlock hats on and figure out hidden secrets that Pizzolatto was hiding just for them to pick up onDude repeatedly says he's not trying to fool you and that the detective angle is merely a means to the end of a dynamic character study. Instead of taking him at his word nikkas are like "What if he's just saying that to throw us off the trail?" I can already see the posts about how underwhelming the finale is when Maggie isn't the Yellow Queen who cooks spaghetti and meatballs to rapists at a cult restaurant called Carcosa

I'm gonna keep it 100, cats ruined the show for themselves. I don't necessarily mean here, I mean in general. All across the internet I see people like "the lawnmower dude?! that's it?!" as if they ain't been sitting there since episode 1 reading literally hundreds of theories. What's that about Shakespeare? If you put a monkey in front of a keyboard and it randomly hits the keys enough times it'll produce "Macbeth"? That's what this is. We've seen people say:

1. Rust is the killer.
2. Marty is the killer.
3. Cthulhu is the killer.
4. The green eared spaghetti monster is actually a green eared spaghetti monster.

etc etc etc.

So one person was bound to hit on one right thing. Multiply that by thousands of people sitting here thinking about this shyt 24/7, and yeah they're gonna figure everything out eventually.

Fred.

 

[GoldenGlove]

People still on that Maggie shyt?

If people think she did/is doing all this shyt to derail Rust/Marty then why did she wait 7 years to do it the first time? Why didn't she do it in '95 when they were on LeDoux's ass? Why didn't she do it when they questioned the lawnmower guy the first time?

Fred.

The only thing that lessened this last episode's reveal was this thread for me.

I would have been like had people not basically low key spoiled what we saw last night weeks ago.

Same shyt happens in all of these shows threads though, so it's partly my fault for coming in them. Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire etc etc... people love "figuring" out what's going to happen and sharing it... some people just like talking about what they see. Oh well...

 

[hex]

The only thing that lessened this last episode's reveal was this thread for me.

I would have been like had people not basically low key spoiled what we saw last night.

Yeah but the difference is you have the sense to be about it. People (again, not necessarily here) are legit pissed off it was something that "obvious". Like it would be obvious to them if they didn't sit on message boards all day reading this shyt.

Fred.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

No. I don't give a shyt about that. It's how it happened.

That shyt was lazy writing in my opinion. It also butchered the character's behavior.

man only cause he became your hero 5 weeks after knowing him

 

[Methodical]

Good episode. So the Lawnmower Man is The Scar Man. then.

I think Rust dies in the finale. He's such a haunted figure. He has no life outside of this case, and he just seems at the end of his rope. He also alludes to just simply wanting out. He's back because, as he puts it -- "has a debt to pay". That's the only reason he has to live right now. Somebody is going to pay in the finale (I'm talking about the killer or killers), but I'm afraid he goes down with them.

 

[Type Username Here]

Are you serious?

In '95 he pretends to be in control. Shows no emotion. Masks his insecurities with philosophical ramblings.

The man showed no emotion in admiting he watched a child being raped to find clues. He still "masks his insecurities with philosophical ramblings" in 2012.

n 2012 he's a wreck. He's out of control. He's basically in Crash mode 24/7.

Breaking into people houses and stealing safes and shyt.

Did you not watch Episode 4? Stealing cocaine from evidence? Doing an insane amount of drugs? Going on a stick-up?

He admits he thought he lost his mind.

Yea, but he said when found what was in the safe he realized he didn't. So your point is...?

The rest is just speculation.

 

[Type Username Here]

man only cause he became your hero 5 weeks after knowing him

He didn't became my anything. The character was written as a truly unique character. After that he became a Law&Order: SVU character.

I appreciate your in-depth response. I'm criticizing the writing of the show here so leave the attacks off to the side. If the excuse "the writer knew what he was doing all long" was always valid, there would be no such thing as bad writing now would it?

The show is still great.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

The thing cats don't understand (not saying Fred) is that the excuse "the writer had it planned" is not an excuse. The audience judges based on what is shown to us. We decipher patterns as we are presented the characters and plot.

To sit here and say that True Detective had no "audience-crime-solving" element to it is absurd. It was deliberately presented that way, including promos. To me, that's not the most important thing. You can check my posts earlier on about my praise of the show and it mainly involved technical elements. I also said I expected an anti-climatic ending but I totally understand how some people are disappointed with how the plot is being wrapped up.

don't understand that bs! shyt on them nikkas b! fukk outta here.

I whole heartedly blame @hexagram23 for this shyt. This muhfukka started dropping Yellow King books and urls and all that bullshyt. Don't blame the writer! Do not blame the director! Blame hex and all the muhfukkas on reddit reading tea leaves and shyt.

You even posted the link where the writer said there won't be a crazy plot twist. And folks are STILL in here writing crazy plot twist . The writer said we've been abused by horrible plots in the past. And folks are still going," but you seen the swirls in his hot chocolate!? Carcosa."

 

[hex]

don't understand that bs! shyt on them nikkas b! fukk outta here.

I whole heartedly blame @hexagram23 for this shyt. This muhfukka started dropping Yellow King books and urls and all that bullshyt. Don't blame the writer! Do not blame the director! Blame hex and all the muhfukkas on reddit reading tea leaves and shyt.

You even posted the link where the writer said there won't be a crazy plot twist. And folks are STILL in here writing crazy plot twist . The writer said we've been abused by horrible plots in the past. And folks are still going," but you seen the swirls in his hot chocolate!? Carcosa."

In my defense I told people directly after I posted all that shyt I didn't expect there to be any crazy plot twist.

Fred.