True Detective Season 1 (NO SPOILERS)

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In my defense I told people directly after I posted all that shyt I didn't expect there to be any crazy plot twist. :manny:

Fred.

:laff: you did and they still did it son

I'm dead ass laughing at how someone's dream might be crushed if they don't get a Rambo level shootout in this final episode.

It just dawned on me today. I'm absolutely glad this season is only 1 episode. This dude Rust would've birthed an entire generation of nihilistic douche bags. We already have to deal with 18-20 yr old weed heads thinking they know everything. We dodged a cultural bullet here and still experienced history.
 

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The man showed no emotion in admiting he watched a child being raped to find clues. He still "masks his insecurities with philosophical ramblings" in 2012.

Did you not watch Episode 4? Stealing cocaine from evidence? Doing an insane amount of drugs? Going on a stick-up?

Yea, but he said when found what was in the safe he realized he didn't. So your point is...?

The rest is just speculation.

The creator of the show point blank said Rust talks a good game, but that's not who he is. Marty points this out. The show spells it out for you when he fukks Maggie. 2012 Rust is so different from '95 Rust that people in this very thread thought it was some kind of ploy to fool people.

I don't know what to tell you man. :manny:

We'll have to agree to disagree I guess. What seems obvious to me isn't to you, and I've ran out of ways to explain it.

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:laff: you did and they still did it son

I'm dead ass laughing at how someone's dream might be crushed if they don't get a Rambo level shootout in this final episode.

It just dawned on me today. I'm absolutely glad this season is only 1 episode. This dude Rust would've birthed an entire generation of nihilistic douche bags. We already have to deal with 18-20 yr old weed heads thinking they know everything. We dodged a cultural bullet here and still experienced history.


What do you and Hex have against nihilism? I'm not a nihilist by any stretch of the imagination but what is wrong with having one character on TV coming from that angle? It made the character unique. The writing here presents basic philosophical stances due to limitation in time, character development and plot advancement, but at least it was different.

Why do you guys want every character to be the same? I really don't get it.

Before you attack me any further, you know where I stand from my Higher Learning/KTL philosophical postings and knowledge.
 

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The creator of the show point blank said Rust talks a good game, but that's not who he is. Marty points this out. The show spells it out for you when he fukks Maggie. 2012 Rust is so different from '95 Rust that people in this very thread thought it was some kind of ploy to fool people.

I don't know what to tell you man. :manny:

We'll have to agree to disagree I guess. What seems obvious to me isn't to you, and I've ran out of ways to explain it.

Fred.


It's obvious to me that the writer wanted to advance the plot, characters be damned. Talks a good game is much different than behavior presented. We'll just move on.
 

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No. I don't give a shyt about that. It's how it happened.

That shyt was lazy writing in my opinion. It also butchered the character's behavior.
I thoroughly disagree, but this is a point that was argued ad nauseum last week and I don't see anyone's mind's changing as far as that goes. A lot of people put a cape on Rust's back and turned him into a superhero in their ideal image. Unfeeling, unerring, infallible. Rust was supposed to be what they wanted him to be and they weren't going to deal with him not being that. You said this last week as far as what you didn't like/were expecting:

It would have been refreshing to see a purely philosophical approach to life that we haven't been presented with yet. It started as that but now it's approaching "been there, done that" territory.
You got wrapped up, just like a lot of people, into this mythical figure that is Rust.
That slip up exists in a vacuum when you take into consideration the characters behavior outside of that scene. What I have said is that Nic got lazy there in my opinion. It actually seems very obvious that it was plot advancement at the cost of a character's behavior.

This is a man consumed by a case, was able to formulate a plan to escape police/attacks in Episode 4 despite taking an insane amount of drugs, meticulous in decision-making as well as being told repeatedly throughout the show that he was able to read people and their intentions extremely well. So we take all the information provided to us there, and we get to throw it away for 20 seconds under the guise of "he's just human". As soon as he nuts, he goes back to behavior in the same manner for the rest of the years as he did before the sex.

It literally exists in a vacuum when you take into account the character we were presented.
It doesn't exist in a vaccuum. That scene wasn't out of character. The very first episode we see Rust has self control issues when he shows up drunk to dinner at Marty's house. He says, as far as why he ended up drinking so much, "I was sitting there and couldn't think of a good enough reason not to. Usually, I can." We know about his past with addiction. He'd shown an ability to confide in Maggie and they had a repore. All of Rust's superpowers of deduction and insight were always related to the case. He is damn near perfect when it comes to work. That infallibility quickly starts to be stripped away when real life is staring him in the face. His partner asks him to come over for dinner to meet his family (which includes two daughters). He's completely out of his element and terrified at the prospect of sitting at this kitchen table with these little girls there and gets drunk: lack of control. He's suspended for a month after he ignores orders to stay away from Tuttle. He's off the job. He's drunk. Maggie comes over emotional and seduces him.

A lot of people hear shyt like "I only need to talk to someone for 10 seconds to know if they did it" and just run with it. Even if that's true, he's talking about investigations. We've seen time and time again that Rust is functionally retarded when it comes to relating to others on an emotional level. I don't think it's lazy writing to believe that a guy who has been written as nearly asexual the whole season would be clueless as to the motives of a disgruntled wife until that post nut clarity hit. And he didn't go back to behavior in the same manner for the rest of the years. He was working in a bar and getting drunk everyday, living an all around sedentary life and not consuming himself with a case or anything really.

You're upset and calling it lazy writing because you pictured him as a nihilistic/existential Clark Kent. Instead Pizzalatto gave you a human being. Granted a human being with a strong philosophical ideology that makes him damn near super human as a detective but human nonetheless. No human is going to be able to have a "purely philosophical approach to life".
 

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I thoroughly disagree, but this is a point that was argued ad nauseum last week and I don't see anyone's mind's changing as far as that goes. A lot of people put a cape on Rust's back and turned him into a superhero in their ideal image. Unfeeling, unerring, infallible. Rust was supposed to be what they wanted him to be and they weren't going to deal with him not being that. You said this last week as far as what you didn't like/were expecting:


You got wrapped up, just like a lot of people, into this mythical figure that is Rust.

It doesn't exist in a vaccuum. That scene wasn't out of character. The very first episode we see Rust has self control issues when he shows up drunk to dinner at Marty's house. He says, as far as why he ended up drinking so much, "I was sitting there and couldn't think of a good enough reason not to. Usually, I can." We know about his past with addiction. He'd shown an ability to confide in Maggie and they had a repore. All of Rust's superpowers of deduction and insight were always related to the case. He is damn near perfect when it comes to work. That infallibility quickly starts to be stripped away when real life is staring him in the face. His partner asks him to come over for dinner to meet his family (which includes two daughters). He's completely out of his element and terrified at the prospect of sitting at this kitchen table with these little girls there and gets drunk: lack of control. He's suspended for a month after he ignores orders to stay away from Tuttle. He's off the job. He's drunk. Maggie comes over emotional and seduces him.

A lot of people hear shyt like "I only need to talk to someone for 10 seconds to know if they did it" and just run with it. Even if that's true, he's talking about investigations. We've seen time and time again that Rust is functionally retarded when it comes to relating to others on an emotional level. I don't think it's lazy writing to believe that a guy who has been written as nearly asexual the whole season would be clueless as to the motives of a disgruntled wife until that post nut clarity hit. And he didn't go back to behavior in the same manner for the rest of the years. He was working in a bar and getting drunk everyday, living an all around sedentary life and not consuming himself with a case or anything really.

You're upset and calling it lazy writing because you pictured him as a nihilistic/existential Clark Kent. Instead Pizzalatto gave you a human being. Granted a human being with a strong philosophical ideology that makes him damn near super human as a detective but human nonetheless. No human is going to be able to have a "purely philosophical approach to life".

You need to post more often.

Fred.
 

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It doesn't exist in a vaccuum. That scene wasn't out of character. The very first episode we see Rust has self control issues when he shows up drunk to dinner at Marty's house. He says, as far as why he ended up drinking so much, "I was sitting there and couldn't think of a good enough reason not to. Usually, I can." We know about his past with addiction. He'd shown an ability to confide in Maggie and they had a repore. All of Rust's superpowers of deduction and insight were always related to the case. He is damn near perfect when it comes to work. That infallibility quickly starts to be stripped away when real life is staring him in the face. His partner asks him to come over for dinner to meet his family (which includes two daughters). He's completely out of his element and terrified at the prospect of sitting at this kitchen table with these little girls there and gets drunk: lack of control. He's suspended for a month after he ignores orders to stay away from Tuttle. He's off the job. He's drunk. Maggie comes over emotional and seduces him.

A lot of people hear shyt like "I only need to talk to someone for 10 seconds to know if they did it" and just run with it. Even if that's true, he's talking about investigations. We've seen time and time again that Rust is functionally retarded when it comes to relating to others on an emotional level. I don't think it's lazy writing to believe that a guy who has been written as nearly asexual the whole season would be clueless as to the motives of a disgruntled wife until that post nut clarity hit. And he didn't go back to behavior in the same manner for the rest of the years. He was working in a bar and getting drunk everyday, living an all around sedentary life and not consuming himself with a case or anything really.

You're upset and calling it lazy writing because you pictured him as a nihilistic/existential Clark Kent. Instead Pizzalatto gave you a human being. Granted a human being with a strong philosophical ideology that makes him damn near super human as a detective but human nonetheless. No human is going to be able to have a "purely philosophical approach to life".
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You realize if Maggie is the Yellow Queen we're gonna get shytted on, right?:wow:

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I thoroughly disagree, but this is a point that was argued ad nauseum last week and I don't see anyone's mind's changing as far as that goes. A lot of people put a cape on Rust's back and turned him into a superhero in their ideal image. Unfeeling, unerring, infallible. Rust was supposed to be what they wanted him to be and they weren't going to deal with him not being that. You said this last week as far as what you didn't like/were expecting:


You got wrapped up, just like a lot of people, into this mythical figure that is Rust.

What mythical figure? I can only deduce the character from what is presented to me on the screen. His behavior is consistent throughout the show except for ONE scene. A scene that conveniently forwards the plot. Did the scene not advance the plot in a convenient manner? Yes or No?

It doesn't exist in a vaccuum. That scene wasn't out of character. The very first episode we see Rust has self control issues when he shows up drunk to dinner at Marty's house. He says, as far as why he ended up drinking so much, "I was sitting there and couldn't think of a good enough reason not to. Usually, I can." We know about his past with addiction. He'd shown an ability to confide in Maggie and they had a repore.

What rapport are you speaking about?

All of Rust's superpowers of deduction and insight were always related to the case. He is damn near perfect when it comes to work. That infallibility quickly starts to be stripped away when real life is staring him in the face. His partner asks him to come over for dinner to meet his family (which includes two daughters). He's completely out of his element and terrified at the prospect of sitting at this kitchen table with these little girls there and gets drunk: lack of control. He's suspended for a month after he ignores orders to stay away from Tuttle. He's off the job. He's drunk. Maggie comes over emotional and seduces him.

See above and you're assuming that his intelligence ceases when he's out of work. Convenient once again. You're doing the work for writer.


You're upset and calling it lazy writing because you pictured him as a nihilistic/existential Clark Kent. Instead Pizzalatto gave you a human being. Granted a human being with a strong philosophical ideology that makes him damn near super human as a detective but human nonetheless. No human is going to be able to have a "purely philosophical approach to life".

You do realize that human beings have subjective approaches to existence, nihilism being one of them. You do realize there are nihilists? It has nothing to do with a Philosophical Superhero, ALL humans relate to some philosophical view of existence. Do you understand? I can only judge the character that has been presented to me on the screen (or the book) and what I am saying is that that particular philosophical view is rare on television. It has nothing to do with worship of any philosophical tenant. I'll have a minor in Philosophy and I have read and written enough about most of the subject as to not require a TV show to validate any of my opinion. I am criticizing from an entertainment and technical writing point of view. Nothing more.
 
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how do they wrap all this shyt up in one episode?i dont think maggie is involved but she was one of them girls trained. also she said one of their daughters is taking her meds regularly so i guess that confirms what we thought about her getting ran thru
 

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People still on that Maggie shyt? :what:

If people think she did/is doing all this shyt to derail Rust/Marty then why did she wait 7 years to do it the first time? Why didn't she do it in '95 when they were on LeDoux's ass? Why didn't she do it when they questioned the lawnmower guy the first time?

Fred.

Anything about Maggie being in on it is nothing but speculation at this point. I see people talking about the dolls and the fukked up daughter, but how does that implicate Maggie? She's got a big house? She remarried a rich guy.

I mean I guess anything can happen, but I've never got the feeling she was in on it. If she was, she had the perfect opportunity to fukk over Marty and Rust in 2012 and didn't take it. And she could've split them apart well before 2002 as well.

We'll see next Sunday.

EDIT: I WILL say that the painting above her bed being in the mental hospital is pretty fukking weird. Might be just an easter egg though?
 

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I thought it was kinda ill how Marty referenced writing a book about "true detectives" in a show called "True Detective", which references The Yellow King, which is from a book called "The King In Yellow" about a fictional play called "The King In Yellow". :whew:

There's a Cam'ron line in there somewhere.

Fred.
 
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