Triple H Rise To The Top Examined As A Ether

[Henzo]

Out of what? The Kliq ran everyone else out/held everyone else back and they ran out of opponents for feuds.

Who did they hold back?

We've gone over how Vader came in with his name stamped, having been beaten by Hogan in WCW convincingly and the dirtsheets reporting how Orndorff laid him out. How Shane Douglas whined about the workload and how Yokozuna was the one that cut the promo on him. Owen got push after push for a number of years, and might have gotten the belt but he broke Austin's neck and that stopped any possibility of that. Did the Kliq force Bam Bam to put on that ridiculous new gear and turn babyface? Diana wanted to do the storyline with Shawn which would have been big but Davey didn't like it. That's just the bigger names.

They didn't run out of new opponents, they had Jeff Jarrett (another one "held back" by Austin), Foley, Sid, Goldust, a number of guys. The vast majority of the anti-kliq stuff is sour grapes.

 

[The Great One]

So your saying Mabel could have been a contender.

Owen was never a fan favorite after that.

No I am saying that they needed people to fill in PPV main events outside of Nash, Michaels and Bret.

Yeah Owen wasn't but who cares if he was heel or face? His career floundered, he was punished when Bret left, forced to be the out of place guy when he joined the nation, got called a nugget by the Kliq (and they got that over), he was then forced to play a superhero and then died.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Actually I didn't pay for any of that stuff.

how mad were you when triple h beat the rock in that ladder match.

 

[krackdagawd]

Established on here? You got almost two pages of dudes defending him like he made himself or some shyt...it's ridiculous. He's a jokester and a chump...always has been. Too simplistic and boring to ever have a legit legacy.

His legacy>>>>Your legacy of sending the Rock 100 tweets and reviewing porn.

 

[Bud Bundy]

No I am saying that needed people to fill in PPV main events outside of Nash, Michaels and Bret.

Yeah Owen wasn't but who cares if he was heel or face? His career floundered, he was punished when Bret left, forced to be the out of place guy when he joined the nation, got called a nugget by the Kliq (and they got that over), he was then forced to play a superhero and then died.

And you blame that all on kliq. Seems like some other shyt came into play.

 

[Nintendough]

Actually I didn't pay for any of that stuff.

We know, one of your stepdad/uncles did. What inch TV did they put in the basement for you? :mjplz:

 

[The Great One]

Who did they hold back?

We've gone over how Vader came in with his name stamped, having been beaten by Hogan in WCW convincingly and the dirtsheets reporting how Orndorff laid him out. Plus he never washed his gear and was a chore to work with. How Shane Douglas whined about the workload and how Yokozuna was the one that cut the promo. Owen got push after push for a number of years, and might have gotten the belt but he broke Austin's neck and that stopped any possibility of that. Did the Kliq force Bam Bam to put on that ridiculous new gear and turn babyface? Diana wanted to do the storyline with Shawn which would have been big but Davey didn't like it.

They didn't run out of new opponents, they had Jeff Jarrett (another one "held back" by Austin), Mankind, Sid, Goldust, a number of guys.

I mean you and I have probably gone over this a million times over the years and we are just going to go back and forth quoting each other and naming names and stories.

I just want to state that as an outsider (like you) the whole Kliq scenario is disgusting because they ruined some great moments for fans for their own personal fun.

If I was on the inside, and just a mid-card nobody back then, I would have been trying to hang out with those guys to be protected for sure and would have said everything they did was right even if I didn't like them. Because they did make the most money/have the most main events during that time. Not like later in the careers, but they still made good money. At the end of the day, when you are done wrestling, all that is left is the money.

And you blame that all on kliq. Seems like some other shyt came into play.

I don't blame it all on them. The statement came up that the Hart Foundation Kliq was very powerful, and I was showing with all of that, that they were not.

 

[CM_Burns]

HHH's legacy is moreso his longevity and screentime compared to his other legendary peers.

With that said, people's hate for HHH's politics and overexposure clouds their view of how good he is as a performer. The internet acts like he's some average talent that had a good look and said the right things/had the right friends at times, and that's a huge disservice to his talent. He's had some lazy/injured periods, but on the whole was a very good worker and a good promo guy who brought plausibility to a lot of his promos.

 

[R=G]

how mad were you when triple h beat the rock in that ladder match.

Wasn't mad at all...I was watching WCW cheering on Sting and Goldberg.

 

[The Great One]

HHH's legacy is moreso his longevity and screentime compared to his other legendary peers.

With that said, people's hate for HHH's politics and overexposure clouds their view of how good he is as a performer. The internet acts like he's some average talent that had a good look and said the right things/had the right friends at times, and that's a huge disservice to his talent. He's had some lazy/injured periods, but on the whole was a very good worker and a good promo guy who brought plausibility to a lot of his promos.

I do agree with to a certain point.

People who hate Triple H do act like he nothing more than average. Obviously Michaels was always great in the ring, but Triple H is definitely not average or awful.

 

[krackdagawd]

Goes to show HHH is one of the GOAT heels, so many years later and the anger is still there like it was yesterday

 

[Henzo]

I just want to state that as an outsider (like you) the whole Kliq scenario is disgusting because they ruined some great moments for fans for their own personal fun.


I don't blame it all on them. The statement came up that the Hart Foundation Kliq was very powerful, and I showing with all of that, that they were not.

I'm not saying the Dynamite clique was "very powerful", but they did have a degree of power.

I'm sure some thought Flair's clique, Dusty's clique, Hogan's clique, Inoki's clique, Tazz's clique, etc. etc. were disgusting too. But none of those cliques had a member that currently runs the show. Thus nobody cares or they conveniently forgot.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Wasn't mad at all...I was watching WCW cheering on Sting and Goldberg.

What kind of rock fan are you. Only there for the good times.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Goes to show HHH is one of the GOAT heels, so many years later and the anger is still there like it was yesterday

You know what I have to say the GOAT. Look at the love ric gets now and even roddy piper. People still hate triple h going on 15 years now.

Not going to lie I hated him too until I realized that was all part of the game.

 

[SanfordMan75]

His legacy>>>>Your legacy of sending the Rock 100 tweets and reviewing porn.