TN Repub state Senator wants to tie welfare benefits to kids' academic performance

[PewPew]

exactly how many parents you know...white or black or asian for that matter sit down and work homework with their kids

mind you im in engineering and i received zero help from a single black mother

i think yall deal with alot of semantics but aint really seeing reality on this...the most a parent can do is teach a child RESPECT and that goes along way in a child learning. cause a child who doesnt respect other people certainly isnt going to listen to them.

as far as "under privileged" families helping kids with homework tho like read that aloud and then say parents should help with algebra

So because your mother didn't take an interest in your schooling, and you managed to make it, more parents should not give their kids any help? I mean you managed to make it with no push, so why should other kids need a push right?

you're stupid.

 

[MMS]

So because your mother didn't take an interest in your schooling, and you managed to make it, more parents should not give their kids any help? I mean you managed to make it with no push, so why should other kids need a push right?

you're stupid.

i think im just going over your head with this if you cant see what im saying odds are you ARE one of those kids still trying to comprehend what the teacher was trying to tell you

 

[Brown_Pride]

exactly how many parents you know...white or black or asian for that matter sit down and work homework with their kids

mind you im in engineering and i received zero help from a single black mother

i think yall deal with alot of semantics but aint really seeing reality on this...the most a parent can do is teach a child RESPECT and that goes along way in a child learning. cause a child who doesnt respect other people certainly isnt going to listen to them.

as far as "under privileged" families helping kids with homework tho like read that aloud and then say parents should help with algebra

dayum son...just dayum. You're asking me to believe that children are incapable of D's. I just can't agree with that.

You're asking me to believe that parents are incapable of helping their kids with homework. I just can't agree with that.

Do you really view "under privileged" families as that incapable that they can't even assist their kids? They can't seek assistance from teachers? That can't be there to tell their kid to stay after class? Or go in early? Or ask for help at lunch? They can't call the school and say, "Hi Mrs. White, Billy is having trouble with algebra, is there anything we can do?"

Maybe i have higher expectations from people?

Truth be told my parents didn't help me with homework, i didn't need it, they never TOLD me to go to school, I wanted to...I was also not like a lot of kids and i know that. I don't pretend all kids are super smart, BUT all kids are capable of a FUKIN D.

Looking back at school at the MOST FUKED UP KIDS and even they could muster a D...when they were there.

Teachers want to help. They sure the fuk ain't in it for the money. The pay is low the hours long and yet they still do it. You think they'd turn down a parent WANTING to get involved in their childs education? Please, oh please point me in the direction of the teacher that doesn't want to help their kids.

 

[PewPew]

I don't think you grasp the reality of the situation.
It's really easy to say something, but to actually do it is another thing entirely. You sound like a pompous douche bag.

I'll be that. Im sorry, I grew up seeing kids my age have to dig in a landfill just to have food to eat. I grew seeing kids my age lose their parents to AIDS and violence, and they still made it.

All these parents have to do if make sure their kids MAKE A D-, and they get full benefits. And that's too much to ask? At what point is it ok to ask these people to start taking responsibility in their lives, please tell me. Serious question.

 

[MMS]

dayum son...just dayum. You're asking me to believe that children are incapable of D's. I just can't agree with that.

You're asking me to believe that parents are incapable of helping their kids with homework. I just can't agree with that.

Do you really view "under privileged" families as that incapable that they can't even assist their kids? They can't seek assistance from teachers? That can't be there to tell their kid to stay after class? Or go in early? Or ask for help at lunch? They can't call the school and say, "Hi Mrs. White, Billy is having trouble with algebra, is there anything we can do?"

Maybe i have higher expectations from people?

Truth be told my parents didn't help me with homework, i didn't need it, they never TOLD me to go to school, I wanted to...I was also not like a lot of kids and i know that. I don't pretend all kids are super smart, BUT all kids are capable of a FUKIN D.

Looking back at school at the MOST FUKED UP KIDS and even they could muster a D...when they were there.

Teachers want to help. They sure the fuk ain't in it for the money. The pay is low the hours long and yet they still do it. You think they'd turn down a parent WANTING to get involved in their childs education? Please, oh please point me in the direction of the teacher that doesn't want to help their kids.

first off you gotta be naive if you think these kids are earning D-

they just arent going to class yall being simpletons here

secondly, NO if a parent can barely help themselves what makes you think they have the education to adequately teach children things that they barely know themselves

this is what im getting at, as far as little kids like 5yrs old - 9ish maybe but after that?

yall just dont wanna believe it but im telling 100% truth. especially when you consider WHO the parents are in these situations.

 

[Brown_Pride]

welfare has existed for a while and i dont see it changing because people need help as you know...i just think welfare is an issue used to show differences in political parties for the purpose of gaining supporters and donations--i could be wrong...

welfare was never intended to be a means of sustenance, it was to assist people who could not find work. It was there for the poor to help them NOT BE POOR anymore. It now functions as a sand pit in it's current state. There are MANY, MANY things wrong with welfare, asking parents to squeeze a D out their kids is NOT one of those things.

 

[PewPew]

i think im just going over your head with this if you cant see what im saying odds are you ARE one of those kids still trying to comprehend what the teacher was trying to tell you

No, you miserable idiot, im not. I was fortunate to have parents that took an interest in my schooling, and always pushed me to do my best and be #1 in everything I did. Im sorry you were stuck with some ghetto hoodrat who couldnt find the time in a day to help her own son with HW or even inquire about their schooling.

Your moms isn't shyt, and it's sad that you think only Asian and white parents pay attention to their kids and how they're doing in school.

If these parents cant help their own kids pass 3 out of 5 classes with a D- or better, then fukk em.

 

[MMS]

No, you miserable idiot, im not. I was fortunate to have parents that took an interest in my schooling, and always pushed me to do my best and be #1 in everything I did. Im sorry you were stuck with some ghetto hoodrat who couldnt find the time in a day to help her own son with HW or even inquire about their schooling.

Your moms isn't shyt, and it's sad that you think only Asian and white parents pay attention to their kids and how they're doing in school.

If these parents cant help their own kids pass 3 out of 5 classes with a D- or better, then fukk em.

like i said its clear you relate to these kids

my mother the first in her family with a bachelors and ill be the first with a professional degree :cheff:

why dont you just forget about this discussion since its outside of ur comprehension

 

[theworldismine13]

what the fukk are you talking about

aint no parent teaching their kids algebra :dro:

i just explained that, schools are a tool that parents use, a parent uses the school to teach their child algebra, that doesnt take away responsibility away from the parents

 

[theworldismine13]

exactly how many parents you know...white or black or asian for that matter sit down and work homework with their kids

mind you im in engineering and i received zero help from a single black mother

i think yall deal with alot of semantics but aint really seeing reality on this...the most a parent can do is teach a child RESPECT and that goes along way in a child learning. cause a child who doesnt respect other people certainly isnt going to listen to them.

as far as "under privileged" families helping kids with homework tho like read that aloud and then say parents should help with algebra

who registered you for school? did you register yourself?

 

[MMS]

i just explained that, schools are a tool that parents use, a parent uses the school to teach their child algebra, that doesnt take away responsibility away from the parents

so you think underprivileged parents understand algebra enough to teach their kids

this is the point im making

my mother put her self through all levels of school, my grandmother was a maid for white folks when thats all she could do, she didnt know shyt about grade school let alone high school

yall act like these folks are smart if they were smart they wouldnt be on welfare ill tell you that much

 

[Brown_Pride]

first off you gotta be naive if you think these kids are earning D-

they just arent going to class yall being simpletons here

secondly, NO if a parent can barely help themselves what makes you think they have the education to adequately teach children things that they barely know themselves

this is what im getting at, as far as little kids like 5yrs old - 9ish maybe but after that?

yall just dont wanna believe it but im telling 100% truth. especially when you consider WHO the parents are in these situations.

like i said, the "education sucks" thread needs to be made if you want to discuss the "quality" of that earned D. I agree in most cases kids just get floated to the next level. That has nothing to do with this and is but a part of a larger solution that needs to be implemented (as is this D for food bill here).

If a parent can't help themselves AND they cannot help their kids then maybe we ought to be looking at taking these kids from their parents.

You're somehow conflating "helping your kid with school" as teaching them algebra and calculus. Most parents don't know either anymore and yet millions of parents around the country help their kids with school on a daily/nightly basis. You really can do your kids educational justice by teaching them to seek help. Teach them to WANT an education, as a parent if you can TEACH them that then D's are an insult to what youre child can do. EFFORT. It goes a long way.

 

[88m3]

I'll be that. Im sorry, I grew up seeing kids my age have to dig in a landfill just to have food to eat. I grew seeing kids my age lose their parents to AIDS and violence, and they still made it.

All these parents have to do if make sure their kids MAKE A D-, and they get full benefits. And that's too much to ask? At what point is it ok to ask these people to start taking responsibility in their lives, please tell me. Serious question.

The life of the poor in this country isn't a walk in the park buddy.
It's not the third world but they suffer from similar shortfalls.

"All these benefits" they barely get by and this is part of the reason these children perform poorly in school and suffer from a host of of issues.
It isn't rational. Work on education, work on mental health, work on universal health care, get rid of the bureaucracy, take these electric and gas companies to task and get rid of their subsidies I could go on and on.
This is a bigger issue than a D- and the majority of you seem happy to ignore it. I'm all for personal responsibility but there are much larger forces at work here that can't be ignored.

 

[The Real]

Actually i'm a african immigrant who watched his parents struggle to make it out of Africa, struggle once they made it to america, and struggle till they made it to the comfortable position they're in now, all without ever taking a handout or getting on any type of assistance.

You don't know what "Struggling" is you bytch ass fakkit. Your ghettos look like 4 star villas compared to the shyt ive seen. I come from a country where the poor make less than 4 dollars a day. fukk these lil bytch ass kids and their lazy ass parents, they wont get two tears in a bucket from me.

Your government is willing to give you free money and all you have to do if make sure your kids pass school, WITH A D- AVERAGE!! And y'all bytching Like, what more do yall want? I honestly don't get it.

Eh, this is typically fallacious immigrant reasoning. All this talk of "shyt I've seen" isn't really relevant.

1. You're wrongly assuming that urban, Black life here is far, far superior to that in the place you came from. Some things might be better, sure, but disease rates and even mortality rates in poor Black neighborhoods are comparable to those in the global south. The South Bronx has worse HIV rates than most of Africa, and a worse infant mortality rate than many global south countries.

2. No one who grew up in a tin shack in the middle of a slum is coming here. All that talk about immigrant struggle is bullshyt, because the vast majority of immigrants who make it here come from backgrounds where they had advantages that the average poor, Black person here does not, whether educational, cultural, or economic. For example, the average immigrant who can afford to come here is already better-off economically than the average poor Black American. While your parents may have struggled and worked hard to get here and then succeed, I sincerely doubt they grew up in the conditions that you evoke to describe how bad poor people have it where they came from.

3. The vast majority of immigrants who do come here from real squalor after risking their lives to get here (undocumented Mexicans, for example,) never actually make it, no matter how hard they work.

 

[MMS]

like i said, the "education sucks" thread needs to be made if you want to discuss the "quality" of that earned D. I agree in most cases kids just get floated to the next level. That has nothing to do with this and is but a part of a larger solution that needs to be implemented (as is this D for food bill here).

If a parent can't help themselves AND they cannot help their kids then maybe we ought to be looking at taking these kids from their parents.

You're somehow conflating "helping your kid with school" as teaching them algebra and calculus. Most parents don't know either anymore and yet millions of parents around the country help their kids with school on a daily/nightly basis. You really can do your kids educational justice by teaching them to seek help. Teach them to WANT an education, as a parent if you can TEACH them that then D's are an insult to what youre child can do. EFFORT. It goes a long way.

this already happens, its called foster care

and furthermore yall as ive stated multiple times now are operating on the assumption that these parents have the means to teach their kids

and for all intents and purposes if a kid has meaningful homework hes probably 10+ and in grade 4>>>> and the average hoodrat probably understands about as much