TN Repub state Senator wants to tie welfare benefits to kids' academic performance

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Yes but how long do you keep helping them? If this "poor" person doesn't wanna look for work and better their situations, should you just keep throwing hundreds at them?

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. Would y'all really be willing to feed a man a fish you had to work hard to get EVERYDAY just because he doesn't know or want to learn how?

Im not. Call me a c00n, uncle tom, whatever, but if you're getting FREE money then I feel like some stipulations are warranted.

But like I said, these stipulations only matter at one end of the welfare spectrum. In the other end, with our Corporate Welfare, we don't have stipulations. There is much more significant fraud and loss of taxpayer money on that side of the equation and we're here discussing people who maybe get $400-$600 a month.

Get that Kansas City Shuffle Economic policy out of here breh.

 

[yesiambowling]

You dudes need to start taking pointers from asian/indian parents with regards to grades. If I brought home a fukking "B-" in elementary school I had bruises all over my body the next day.

It might be a bit extreme, but sometimes you need to make a point.

 

[BillBanneker]

More whites are on welfare than blacks and it's gonna backfire against them

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No it's not, rednecks here are so anti-government they're willing to shoot themselves in the foot for this stuff.

 

[88m3]

You dudes need to start taking pointers from asian/indian parents with regards to grades. If I brought home a fukking "B-" in elementary school I had bruises all over my body the next day.

It might be a bit extreme, but sometimes you need to make a point.

I'm not sure if I could advocate child abuse seeing how many of those cases turnout...
at the same time we have posters in here actively advocating the starvation of children.

 

[The Real]

in no way shape or form does this law interfere with what black people need to do to get ahead, its pretty much irrelevant to black people, the only people that should lose any sleep at night over this are marxists such as yourself

First of all, social engineering at the level of the safety net will always be a bad idea, and any welfare-oriented policy will affect Black people as a population more than it will affect any other race as a population. As others have pointed out, there are a multitude of factors that contribute to childrens' grades, and not addressing the issue in its complexity will only make it more difficult to do so in the future.

Your obsession with labeling anything you dislike "Marxist" is tedious. You know you're smarter than that.

 

[88m3]

Coming soon to a neighborhood near you

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[theworldismine13]

First of all, social engineering at the level of the safety net will always be a bad idea, and any welfare-oriented policy will affect Black people as a population more than it will affect any other race as a population. As others have pointed out, there are a multitude of factors that contribute to childrens' grades, and not addressing the issue in its complexity will only make it more difficult to do so in the future.

Your obsession with labeling anything you dislike "Marxist" is tedious. You know you're smarter than that.

Ive been posting all kinds of stories about academic performance, I have taught and I tutor, and I can firmly say this story is totally irrelevant to any black person concerned about the fate of the black race if anything it helps, it's a lie that this law will have a negative impact on black people

I like calling you Marxist cuz it's fun and plus you never actually deny it

 

[PewPew]

But like I said, these stipulations only matter at one end of the welfare spectrum. In the other end, with our Corporate Welfare, we don't have stipulations. There is much more significant fraud and loss of taxpayer money on that side of the equation and we're here discussing people who maybe get $400-$600 a month.

Get that Kansas City Shuffle Economic policy out of here breh.

That's a very good and fair point but that's not what we talking about breh breh. Lets stay on topic though.

I don't get where the angry stems from....is it because this affects black people, or because it's coming from a rethuglican?

I see a lot of dramatization but the fact of the matter is these kids will not starve, it's a 30 percent reduction. If I made 30 percent less money I wouldn't starve, i'd act like a fukking adult and cut expenses to live within my means. And here's the kicker. The only way you see that 30 percent is if your kid gets a F average in school. AN F AVERAGE IN SCHOOL. That means they're failing the majority of their classes. If that's the case why even send em to school? Let that education money be spent on kids who want to learn.

So your telling me that my race of people is sooooooooo stupid and lazy that they wont help their kid(s) maintain a 1.0 GPA. You dont even have to pass every class to get a 1.0 GPA.

So y'all would rather throw money at the poor because they're poor and not help pull them out of poverty. So how long should we throw money at them?

If your best friend came and asked you for $500 to pay his rent because he lost his job, and kept coming back month after month but wouldn't look for another job, how long would yall keep giving him the money with no conditions? Would y'all Coli millionaires keep throwing 6K a year to your friend with no end in sight because he's in a bad spot, but wont do anything to better that spot?

 

[MMS]

At all grade levels, the parent is responsible for the education of the child

maybe at early ages, there is a such thing is personal responsibility while this is instilled at an early age its up to the person to hold on to it

i dont believe in the whole "every kid is gonna make it" spiel

 

[Brown_Pride]

was that a response to me? it really didn't address the anything. It went on a tangent about how shyt was when you were a kid.

If they aren't focusing on anything else absolutely. If they have to focus on eating and having a roof over their heads or actually becoming productive members of society what do you think will happen?

So if a parent has to focus on become a productive member of society then asking them to parent and be their for their kids is too much? OR Asking a kid to produce at a minimum D's while ALSO becoming a productive member of society? You're full of shyt on either count.

I walked to school and took the subway growing up. If I didn't go or did badly I knew I would fail and that's all it took. I didn't rely on my parent for help with my homework and a child should not.

Then you think contrary to both how it WAS done and how it IS done and how it SHOULD BE done. You're wrong on all counts. A child's education is as much the responsibility of the parents as it is the education system.

How else are kids going to learn? This is the same as just pushing kids through the system which apparently some of you are fine with.

First off they learn by being involved. Kids, believe it or not, DO NOT LIKE SCHOOL by and large. They go because they have to. Parents make them, except when they don't and those are really the kids at the heart of this issue, kids who aren't involved because they are not made to do so and as kids are often not equipped to make decisions that will later their futures...such as going to school.
Pushing kids through the system is an entirely different topic...make that thread if you'd like.

Hey long as they attend they pass! This is despicable and totally unacceptable. No wonder there are so manny maladjusted people in our society.

yes i'm sure THAT is the reason

I'm pretty sure a child in grade school can wipe their own ass. Could you? I don't know what children are supposed to do.

CLEARLY.

No one had it easy you ate at school and you ate late at night granted your parents worked. I could cook any meal for myself by the time I was 12.

Me too. I was a latchkey kid as much as the next guy, BUT I also had my moms and pops checking homework, as they should have. There seams to be some deeper rooted issues here with you and this topic.

Coddle your kids till they are good for nothing it's the American way!

AMEN! I couldn't agree with you more. Letting your kids do whatever the fuk they want in terms of their education is the epitome of coddling. Pretending your kids are adults and not children is coddling, forcing your kid to do what's best for them in spite of their vast experience is parenting homeboy.

A child should be able to exert themselves without external pressure. Isn't graduating and doing well enough? Doesn't it feel good to succeed?
You must be a parent of the "here's a gold star generation".

OIC you're one of "those". I'm a parent of the "i'll stick my foot in your ass generation" huge difference. I also know kids are prone to mistakes as they are not always equipped to make the right choices. That's the reason we don't hold them accountable for some of their actions as stringently as we do adults. THEY ARE FUKIN KIDS. You, on the other hand, think a 6 -17 year old is of complete sound and mind and experience to make life changing decisions, ones that alter their future.

Do you have kids 88?

 

[88m3]

That's a very good and fair point but that's not what we talking about breh breh. Lets stay on topic though.

I don't get where the angry stems from....is it because this affects black people, or because it's coming from a rethuglican?

I see a lot of dramatization but the fact of the matter is these kids will not starve, it's a 30 percent reduction. If I made 30 percent less money I wouldn't starve, i'd act like a fukking adult and cut expenses to live within my means. And here's the kicker. The only way you see that 30 percent is if your kid gets a F average in school. AN F AVERAGE IN SCHOOL. That means they're failing the majority of their classes. If that's the case why even send em to school? Let that education money be spent on kids who want to learn.

So your telling me that my race of people is sooooooooo stupid and lazy that they wont help their kid(s) maintain a 1.0 GPA. You dont even have to pass every class to get a 1.0 GPA.

So y'all would rather throw money at the poor because they're poor and not help pull them out of poverty. So how long should we throw money at them?

If your best friend came and asked you for $500 to pay his rent because he lost his job, and kept coming back month after month but wouldn't look for another job, how long would yall keep giving him the money with no conditions? Would y'all Coli millionaires keep throwing 6K a year to your friend with no end in sight because he's in a bad spot, but wont do anything to better that spot?

I understand that you're white, that you've never struggled, and you're completely removed from this situation.

 

[bright black]

welfare is pretty much a non issue and this is an attempt to make it relevant...welfare is something republicans love to yap about so they pop up with a bill that is doa just so they can play partisan politics...gamesmanship is the essence of politics...

 

[Brown_Pride]

If, as a society, we choose to implement a safety net to help out the poor and disabled, that should be the only quantifying measure. We help them because they are poor and disabled, and it is the moral thing to do. If we go throwing stipulations then the morality ceases to exist.

But yes, there is a signification problem with generational welfare in this country, with all races.

i just don't get this.
On the one hand you're saying generational welfare is a problem, on the other you're against a law that intends to change this? Just on principle are you using morality as a justification for this law being garbage?

Let me ask you, how does this harm either child or parent?
Who DOES NOT benefit from this in the long run?

 

[theworldismine13]

maybe at early ages, there is a such thing is personal responsibility while this is instilled at an early age its up to the person to hold on to it

i dont believe in the whole "every kid is gonna make it" spiel

I honestly have no idea what the hell you are talking about, and indont think you know what you are saying either

the notion that a parent is responsible for a child's education is a basic building block to any society and or civilization

Schools are simply a tool that the parent uses to educate their child but ultimately it's the parent's responsibility

And schools are actually a recent development in terms of human history, for most of human history the parent was completely responsible, the purpose of schools was to teach things the parent couldn't but that still left the responsibility on the parent

What kind of society or civilization are trying to create where a parent is not responsible for a child's education?

 

[PewPew]

I understand that you're white, that you've never struggled, and you're completely removed from this situation.

Actually i'm a african immigrant who watched his parents struggle to make it out of Africa, struggle once they made it to america, and struggle till they made it to the comfortable position they're in now, all without ever taking a handout or getting on any type of assistance.

You don't know what "Struggling" is you bytch ass fakkit. Your ghettos look like 4 star villas compared to the shyt ive seen. I come from a country where the poor make less than 4 dollars a day. fukk these lil bytch ass kids and their lazy ass parents, they wont get two tears in a bucket from me.

Your government is willing to give you free money and all you have to do if make sure your kids pass school, WITH A D- AVERAGE!! And y'all bytching Like, what more do yall want? I honestly don't get it.