TN Repub state Senator wants to tie welfare benefits to kids' academic performance

[Brown_Pride]

so you think underprivileged parents understand algebra enough to teach their kids

this is the point im making

my mother put her self through all levels of school, my grandmother was a maid for white folks when thats all she could do, she didnt know shyt about grade school let alone high school

yall act like these folks are smart if they were smart they wouldnt be on welfare ill tell you that much

so how did your mother put herself through school? Did your grandmother completely just say "fuk it"? Or did she tell your mom to get her ass to school? Did she make sure her homework was done? When it wasn't did she go to teacher conferences to talk to your mothers teachers? Did your grandma at all involve herself? If not then like me, your mother was not the norm.

I bet at the minimum your grandmother instilled whatever work ethic your mother had to actually do the work at school. and as i said....

School is not a measure of intelligence, it's a measure of effort.
A D...is not a lot of effort.

 

[bright black]

this thread kinda illustrates the political game...

1. politicians bring up welfare
2. the 99% takes a position on welfare and proceeds to bicker over it*
3. the 1% continues enjoying the lions share of luxury and comfort


*welfare is interchangeable with all other divisive issues

 

[The Real]

...is a perpetual state of welfare "social engineering"?

Yes, but not in the way you mean. The majority of people on welfare have full-time jobs and aren't lazy. The conditions that contribute the most to this state of "perpetual welfare" (and to educational underachievement) won't be fixed by cutting that welfare or this other kind of social engineering.

 

[MMS]

so how did your mother put herself through school? Did your grandmother completely just say "fuk it"? Or did she tell your mom to get her ass to school? Did she make sure her homework was done? When it wasn't did she go to teacher conferences to talk to your mothers teachers? Did your grandma at all involve herself? If not then like me, your mother was not the norm.

I bet at the minimum your grandmother instilled whatever work ethic your mother had to actually do the work at school. and as i said....

School is not a measure of intelligence, it's a measure of effort.
A D...is not a lot of effort.

my grandmother told her to take up sewing

this is the REALITY of most underprivileged black families. they dont value school in the first place

and its why i semi support the bill.

 

[88m3]

my grandmother told her to take up sewing
this is the REALITY of most underprivileged black families. they dont value school in the first place

and its why i semi support the bill.

Did you ever learn to sew?

 

[MMS]

Did you ever learn to sew?

edit i need to lay off the hot sauce

 

[Brown_Pride]

Yes, but not in the way you mean. The majority of people on welfare have full-time jobs and aren't lazy. The conditions that contribute the most to this state of "perpetual welfare" (and to educational underachievement) won't be fixed by cutting that welfare or this other kind of social engineering.

In your opinion does asking a parent to involve themselves in a child's education to the point where they are getting a D too much?

I know those on welfare aren't lazy, which is why IMHO a D is not asking much. And no, the conditions that contribute MOST are not being addressed, however this does attempt to address on of the many small parts, parental involvement in education. As i don't see any wide sweaping reform into the many, many, many issues causing the perpetuation of welfare, i'll take what I can get.

IF this is to ever change it will come in small degrees. This is a small degree.

The majority of kids are not failing. The majority of kids make better than D's, much better. For those that don't, and their parents are not involved, this will force involvement or their will be consequences.

 

[88m3]

edit i need to lay off the hot sauce

that's right b

 

[MMS]

that's right b

 

[theworldismine13]

so you think underprivileged parents understand algebra enough to teach their kids

this is the point im making

my mother put her self through all levels of school, my grandmother was a maid for white folks when thats all she could do, she didnt know shyt about grade school let alone high school

yall act like these folks are smart if they were smart they wouldnt be on welfare ill tell you that much

but i just answered that point. when i say the parent is responsible, im not saying that the parent is responsible for any specific subject, the parent is responsible for registering their kid and making sure they get to school and making sure their kid gets an education

since the beginning of time a parent has always been responsible for the education of their child

schools are a tool that parents use to make sure their kids gets an education, what part of that is it that you dont understand? by making sure their kids go to school they are resolving their responsibility as a parent

i think maybe you are confused about what the word responsibility means, and i think you think i am suggesting that a parent is responsible for your actual grade in calculus or something like that

what i am saying is that a parent is responsible for making sure you are registered for classes and get to school every day and for pushing you to do your best, that is what responsibility means, by any reasonable measure if a parent does those things a child should be able to get a D in most of their classes

 

[Brown_Pride]

my grandmother told her to take up sewing

this is the REALITY of most underprivileged black families. they dont value school in the first place

and its why i semi support the bill.

this is why we need this bill. SO their is some value placed on education. That is the whole point of the bill. Forcing parents to value that education.

can't fault your grandma for thinking that way, she might not have known better, and props to your mom for finding the motivation to do what she did, most kids don't just "find it" SOMEONE usually helps them arrive at that understanding and I'd bet it was teacher.

 

[88m3]

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[MMS]

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[PewPew]

In your opinion does asking a parent to involve themselves in a child's education to the point where they are getting a D too much?

I know those on welfare aren't lazy, which is why IMHO a D is not asking much. And no, the conditions that contribute MOST are not being addressed, however this does attempt to address on of the many small parts, parental involvement in education. As i don't see any wide sweaping reform into the many, many, many issues causing the perpetuation of welfare, i'll take what I can get.

IF this is to ever change it will come in small degrees. This is a small degree.

The majority of kids are not failing. The majority of kids make better than D's, much better. For those that don't, and their parents are not involved, this will force involvement or their will be consequences.

This is pretty much all im saying. I would balk if they were asking the kids to maintain a 3.0 or something, but its a 1.0! If I was giving you money every month to help you, I would feel entitled to some stipulations. And I think asking you to make sure your seed is passing school with a D- isn't asking that much

 

[MMS]

this is why we need this bill. SO their is some value placed on education. That is the whole point of the bill. Forcing parents to value that education.

can't fault your grandma for thinking that way, she might not have known better, and props to your mom for finding the motivation to do what she did, most kids don't just "find it" SOMEONE usually helps them arrive at that understanding and I'd bet it was teacher.

this is what im saying

i feel like some of yall are misunderstanding that

black families =/= underprivileged black families

this is just the average parent(s) on welfare cause they do menial work and have little to no skills and probably were raised that way too

the whole hope and assumption that people like that will change their ways on "good faith" is just silly