Tim Duncan has 5 rings why isn’t he ever mentioned in top 5
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1. I said "let's leave aside the old timers for a second," so I did not intend to mention Magic, Bird, Dr. J, Robertson, West, Baylor, Russell, etc.
2. Magic's issues on defense mean he's a notch below people like Kobe and Duncan and LeBron to me
LeBron had serious shooting problems early in his career, and he had some infamous disappearing acts in key playoff series. And he picked his spots. For those reasons, I can't rank him higher.
murksiderock
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This is certainly contradictory...
Wilt and Kareem both have way more postseason disappearing acts than Bron, way more. Shaq got shytted on by Hakeem in a Finals he could have separated himself in, and he and Kobe authored one of the biggest Finals disappointments ever. Kobe's playoff heights are quite possibly the lowest of any Top 10-level player, his regular season successes balance him into the convo because when you start comparing his best playoff play to that of his historical contemporaries (Kareem, Wilt, LeBron, Shaq, Hakeem, Mike, all the guys you named plus some)...
When you start comparing Kobe's postseason weight to those of the others he's clearly and obviously a tier below...
And there has never existed a perfect basketball player. So to hold Bron's early shooting struggles against him is asinine unless you're doing the same thing for everyone else, but you aren't...
You can have whatever criteria you want but at least be consistent with it...
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They had better seasons
Everyone thinks bc a guy has a better season that implies they're better, which is not always the case
Julius Randle is having a better season than Anthony Davis in 2021, doesn't mean he's better
Stop using a narrow perception
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LeBron is better any “disappearing” act he had early in his career was because they loaded up on him with zones and wall defenses. The only series you could be talking about are the ‘07 Finals (one of the most lobsided series in history) and ‘10 ECSF (where he played through an elbow bruise on his shooting arm). Dude literally dominated every other series at a higher ramp than Duncan generally played at.
Duncan was not efficient in the ‘05 or ‘07 Finals it just didn’t matter because his teams were better. LeBron didn’t have guys like Ginobili or Parker.
He’s not Duncan he’s a perimeter player who initiates at the top of the key.
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murksiderock
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If the nba awarded postseason MVPs, Kobe would have about 5 or 6
And all those other guys named would have more....but its a no anyway...
This isn't even news, its something I think is generally accepted by most basketball heads. You can literally line Kobe side by side with all of his historical peers and evaluate playoff performances and he's the guy who consistently grades out lower...
We all know what Kobe is to the game and the culture overall, but he's more of an OD elite regular season warrior than a habitual A-level postseason assassin, yet there are peers of his who were both, peers of his who did both on a higher level, and the playoffs are where these guys separated themselves from an otherwise dead heat...
Duncan isn't the most dominant player in postseason lore but his highs are higher than Kobe's...
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Duncan would have 4 (99, 03, 05 and maybe 07)
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duckbutta
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Half of the replies in this thread are people saying Timmy can't be top 5 cause he "swagless"
What a bunch of childish shyt
Some of you can't be old enough to even have seen prime Timmy play talking like this...
Let me go through this thread and see who don't ever post after 10 pm cause your mother told you 9:30 was bed time
What a bunch of childish shyt
Some of you can't be old enough to even have seen prime Timmy play talking like this...
Let me go through this thread and see who don't ever post after 10 pm cause your mother told you 9:30 was bed time
Duncan didn't announce himself publically as the great player that he was cause self promotion wasn't his thing. He could have been 28/15 for the prime of his career if he chose to focus on numbers but he was always about team success. He gets knocked for being a system player when many don't realize that he WAS the system in San Antonio and it was only cause of his unselfishness and ability to accept criticism that the system was able to thrive in the first place. Pop is lauded as a great coach but that didn't start until they drafted Tim cause before that Pop was probably on his way out with the Spurs. I've got him at number 6 on my list after Jordan Bron Cap Magic and Kobe but i can see cats like Dream Shaq and Bird over him but even if he isn't in your top five he's for sure top 10 ever no doubt if we are being honest with ourselves.