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This point is so irrelevant.

Grindr was owned by a Chinese company. Since you brought this point up...Does the EU distinguish between foreign companies started by Chinese people in China vs. European companies that were acquired by foreign Chinese companies? No. It's semantics and irrevelant. Every company that operates within the EU has to follow their regulations and their procedures or they can gtfo. Period.

America is no different.

And since I know you didn't read the article. Grindr was forced to sell to because we were concerned that people's private information could be accessed by the Chinese government. Which is the same exact sh*t. Now I know you not gonna argue Washington had it out for gay nikkas getting their sphincters busted. This was news in 2020. Nobody gave a sh*t. Nobody argued it was "Sinophobia". It made sense to not let China see that sort of information.



Lastly...your point about Skype. One, we're not talking about Skype. Two, Skype having end to end encryption or not having end to end encryption is an irrelevant strawman. The point is....is Microsoft or Skype sharing people's personal information with Beijing :mindblown:

I did read the article. :stopitslime:
they weren't forced, they were pressured and given a monetary incentive which they accepted. i'm unaware of any legislation being brought up to ban the app.

the rhetoric about grindr never reached the fever pitch stage that tiktok is currently experiencing because they took 6x payout, it very well might have ended up like this had the owners declined to sell it. I doubt this will be the last time that the U.S government will coerce foreign owned companies to sell their U.S operations if they gain significant market share of americans online communications and that was my point with skype.
 

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We destroyed the Japanese economy because of their cars and buying buildings. They haven’t recovered.

We are a young nation who need enemies to justify our military spending and the eroding of the social contract.

When did we destroy the Japanese economy? :why: :russ:
 

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I did read the article. :stopitslime:
they weren't forced, they were pressured and given a monetary incentive which they accepted. i'm unaware of any legislation being brought up to ban the app.

the rhetoric about grindr never reached the fever pitch stage that tiktok is currently experiencing because they took 6x payout, it very well might have ended up like this had the owners declined to sell it. I doubt this will be the last time that the U.S government will coerce foreign owned companies to sell their U.S operations if they gain significant market share of americans online communications and that was my point with skype.

Coercing foreign companies to sell U.S operations is the true goal of this nonsense. The U.S government should just come out and say that, but they never do. They have to cloak their intentions behind some noble cause so guallible idiots can continue to feel good about their country.
 

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Dudes been shytting on social media and it's dangers for years. So much so that they don't allow their children to use it. And now are defending it because of their hate for Israel.

The more you post... :mjlol:
TikTok being utilized to openly display Israel committing a genocide isn’t “hate for Israel.” Much like the Arab Spring and Twitter it shows how information spread on social media can have a massive effect on everyday opinions, and policy.
 

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the rhetoric about grindr never reached the fever pitch stage that tiktok is currently experiencing because they took 6x payout, it very well might have ended up like this had the owners declined to sell it.
I got to disagree there, we all know because of grindr's audience, we would have never seen the type of coverage we're seeing with tiktok.
 

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TikTok being utilized to openly display Israel committing a genocide isn’t “hate for Israel.” Much like the Arab Spring and Twitter it shows how information spread on social media can have a massive effect on everyday opinions, and policy.
The point here is this has nothing to do with Israel.

I’ll save us both the time and allow you to look at the discussions we had over this prior to 10/7.

Also, the Arab spring was a total and absolute long term failure, but at least you are now recognizing how the US used social media algorithms to attempt to destabilize other countries. :pachaha:
 

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Could Germany be the first in Europe to ban TikTok? Lawmakers call for debate following US vote​

The icon for the video sharing TikTok app is seen on a smartphone.

By Anna Desmarais

Published on 22/03/2024 - 09:31•Updated 09:31

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Some German MPs on a parliamentary intelligence board think the country should consider a harder stance on TikTok.

German politicians are discussing whether they need to harden their stance on TikTok, a Chinese-owned social media app for short social media videos.

It comes a few days after the US House of Representatives voted unanimously in favour of legislation that could force ByteDance, the company behind TikTok, to sell the app or face a complete ban from app stores in the United States.

The bill still needs to be examined by the US Senate before it becomes law.



Multiple members of a German parliamentary board that monitors intelligence services have spoken recently about the topic.

Roderich Kiesewetter, vice chairman of the Bundestag’s intelligence control committee and member of Germany’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU), told German daily the Handelsblatt that the country should consider a "general ban on TikTok" if stricter regulation of the platform can’t be "implemented efficiently".

Some politicians in Germany consider the app "a danger to our democracy," Kiesewetter continued, because it is an "important instrument" in China and Russia’s hybrid warfare.

There are roughly 19 million users of TikTok in Germany, according to a 2023 government response tabled in the Bundestag.




Regulation instead of an outright ban​

Jens Zimmerman, a member of Germany’s Social Democratic Party, said, according to German broadcaster BR, that the government should consider at least banning the app on federal devices. This is the case for the EU institutions, for instance.

Others, like Ralf Stegner from Germany’s Social Democratic Party (SPD) and Konstantin von Notz, the deputy leader of Germany’s Green Party, said they would like to see how regulations will work instead of a full-out ban which can be hard to enforce.

By regulatory efforts, Stegner and von Notz are referring to the Digital Services Act (DSA).



The act, which came into effect this year, requires Internet companies to take consistent action to make sure disinformation and illegal content are not being spread on their platforms.

In February, the European Commission announced an investigation into TikTok under the DSA for breaches related to "the protection of minors, advertising transparency, data access as well as risk management of addictive design".

The Commission told Euronews Next in a statement that they have no comment about the ongoing TikTok ban bill in the United States, nor on talks in Germany.



A Commission spokesperson said that decisions on IT security measures "lie with the relevant national authority".

The statement added that the DSA can as a last resort put in place a temporary "suspension or restriction of access of recipients to the service," if they don't comply with the legislation.

The suspension of TikTok on corporate devices is still in place, the Commission added.
 

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What Happened When India Pulled the Plug on TikTok​

The United States is agonizing over the possibility of a ban, but India did it at a stroke. Indians adjusted quickly, and Instagram and YouTube built big audiences.


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As Washington debates a plan that could block TikTok, a content creator, Ulhas Kamathe, explains how he lost everything when it happened in India. Here’s how he rebuilt his career.CreditCredit...Ulhas Kamathe via Facebook


By Alex Travelli and Suhasini Raj

Reporting from New Delhi

March 22, 2024

In India, a country of 1.4 billion, it took TikTok just a few years to build an audience of 200 million users. India was its biggest market. Then, on June 29, 2020, the Indian government banned TikTok, along with 58 other Chinese apps, after a simmering conflict between India and China flared into violence at their border.

A popular form of entertainment, which had not been the subject of political debate, vanished overnight. Now, as politicians are wrangling in Washington over a plan that could shut access for the 170 million Americans using TikTok, the example set by India gives a foretaste of what may come — and how audiences and other social media companies catering to them might respond.

TikTok, owned by ByteDance in Beijing, came to India early, establishing a wide base in 2017 in dozens of the country’s languages. Its content — short videos — tended to be homey and hyperlocal. An endless scroll of homemade productions, many of them shot in small towns or farms and set to popular music, helped while away the hours across the world’s cheapest and fastest-growing mobile-data network. As it has in the United States, TikTok became a platform for entrepreneurial extroverts to build businesses.

Veer Sharma was 26 when the music stopped. He had collected seven million followers on TikTok, where he posted videos of himself and friends lip-syncing and joking around to Hindi film songs. He was the son of a laid-off millworker from the central Indian city of Indore and barely finished formal schooling. His TikTok achievements filled him with pride. He felt “beyond happy” when people recognized him on the street.

They were happy to see him, too. Once, Mr. Sharma said, an “elderly couple met me and said they would watch my show before going to bed, for a laugh.” They told him that his “show was a way out of their daily life’s drudgery.”

With his new stardom, Mr. Sharma was earning 100,000 rupees, about $1,200, a month. He bought a Mercedes. After the ban in 2020, he barely had time to make one last video for his fans. “Our times together will be ending soon, and I don’t know how or when we will be able to meet again,” he told them.

Washington’s Effort to Regulate TikTok​

House lawmakers approved legislation meant to force ByteDance, the Chinese internet company, to sell its wildly popular social media app TikTok or be banned in the United States.​


  • What to Know: Lawmakers and the White House have expressed concerns that TikTok’s Chinese ownership poses a national security risk. The bill faces a difficult path in the Senate.
  • The Possible Sale: Rumors are swirling on Wall Street about who could be interested in buying TikTok. The large price tag for the app is one of many factors that could limit the number of suitors.
  • China’s Response: The developments in Washington have not yet triggered a high-alert response or retaliation from China’s leaders. Instead, officials in Beijing have blasted the bill while largely reiterating common criticisms of U.S. policy as unfair to China.
  • A Call to Arms: Facing a possible ban in the United States, TikTok has scrambled to deploy perhaps its most powerful weapon: its creators.

“Then, I cried and cried,” he said.

Yet short videos, including many preserved from TikTok and uploaded to other sites that aren’t banned, continue to draw Indians.



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TikTok influencers, with youngsters looking on, recorded a video in Mumbai in 2019. TikTok built a large audience, in dozens of languages, before India’s government shut it down.Credit...Indranil Mukherjee/Agence France-Presse, via Getty Images

India’s online life soon adapted to TikTok’s absence. Meta’s Instagram swooped in with its Reels and Alphabet’s YouTube with Shorts, both TikTok-like products, and converted many of the influencers and eyeballs that had been left idle.

The services were popular. But something was lost along the way, experts said. Much of the homespun charm of Indian TikTok never found a new home. It became harder for small-time creators to be discovered.

Nikhil Pahwa, a digital policy analyst in New Delhi, tracks the overall change to the departure from TikTok’s “algorithms, its special sauce,” which was “a lot more localized to Indian content” than the formulas used by the American giants that succeeded it.

Several Indian companies tried to get into the gap caused by the disappearance of Chinese competition. But America’s tech giants, with their deeper pockets and expanding global audiences, came to dominate India. The country is now the biggest market for both YouTube (almost 500 million monthly users) and Instagram (362 million), with roughly twice as many users as either has in the United States, though they earn far less revenue per consumer.

The decision by India to cut its population off from TikTok was as sudden as the American efforts, which began in 2020, are protracted. But the motivation was similar — and even more dramatic. Whereas the United States and China are engaged in a new kind of cold war over economic dominance, India and China have had troops standing off at their border since 1962. In 2020, that frozen conflict turned hot. In one night of brutal hand-to-hand combat, 20 Indian soldiers were killed, along with at least four Chinese, which China never officially confirmed.

Two weeks later, India switched off TikTok. The app disappeared from Google and Apple stores, and its website was blocked. By then, India was well practiced in blocking objectionable websites and even shutting down mobile data across whole regions, in the name of maintaining public order.

There were few other signs of retaliation by India, but this one action commanded the public’s attention. The list of Chinese apps that India has banned continues to grow, now to 509, according to Mr. Pahwa.



An Indian Air Force aircraft near the border with China on June 27, 2020, as tensions between the countries rose. Credit...Tauseef Mustafa/Agence France-Presse, via Getty Images

Until then, India’s internet had presented an open market to China. In contrast to India’s domestic media companies, tech start-ups were free to take investment from China and other countries. TikTok was only the most popular among dozens of Chinese-owned games and services distributed to Indians online.

Since at least 2017, after a similar border skirmish, the possibility that Chinese consumer technology might pose a risk to India’s sovereignty had been circulating in national security circles.

Indian officials had expressed concern that Chinese-owned apps could provide Beijing with a potent messaging tool within India’s raucous media environment. Just two months before the ban, India announced new restrictions on investments from any country “ sharing land border with India.” Technically, that would apply to Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal and Pakistan. But China was understood to be the real target.

On June 29, 2020, the official order that blocked TikTok and dozens of lesser-known Chinese services did not mention China explicitly, nor the bloody fight on the border. Instead, the measure was described as a matter of “data security and safeguarding the privacy” of Indian citizens from “elements hostile to national security and defense of India.”

In subsequent years, India’s government has used the rationale about maintaining the “safety and sovereignty of Indian cyberspace” to dictate terms even to American tech companies. It has complained to Apple and Twitter, as well as to Meta and Google, sometimes to prevent speech that is critical of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Bharatiya Janata Party.

But the government bore no grudge against TikTok’s influencers. After the ban went into effect, the B.J.P. reached out to Mr. Sharma, who said he had become depressed. Between losing his income and his fame, he felt his “world crashing down.” He had already been contacted by Moj, a Bangalore-based TikTok rival. Mr. Sharma’s career and income bounced back after he posted a clip with his state’s chief minister and started making promotional videos with other B.J.P. office holders. He feels proud now to be helping further Mr. Modi’s political agenda.

Another TikTokker who was temporarily “heartbroken” by the ban was Ulhas Kamathe, a 44-year-old dad from Mumbai. He somehow achieved a moment of international fame by devouring chicken platters while murmuring “chicken leg piece” with his mouth full, an instant meme. After losing his nearly seven million TikTok followers overnight, he says he has recovered — by finding five million on YouTube, four million on Instagram and three million on Facebook.

“In the past three years, I have rebuilt without any help — all by myself,” he said.
 

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Instagram moves to limit political content​

BY TARA SUTER - 03/23/24 3:56 PM ET

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A download screen for Instagram is arranged for a photograph on Friday, August 19, 2022.

Instagram has moved to limit political content, with users now having to go into their settings on the app to turn the limiting feature off.

Users of the popular social media platform now have to go into their settings under “[c]ontent preferences,” click “[p]olitical content,” and choose the option to not “limit political content from people you don’t follow,” or else Instagram will limit political content from those the user doesn’t follow by default.

Instagram announced back in February that it would no longer proactively recommend political content.

“We want Instagram and Threads to be a great experience for everyone,” a post on Instagram’s blog from last month reads. “If you decide to follow accounts that post political content, we don’t want to get between you and their posts, but we also don’t want to proactively recommend political content from accounts you don’t follow.”

“So we’re extending our existing approach to how we treat political content – we won’t proactively recommend content about politics on recommendation surfaces across Instagram and Threads,” the Instagram blog post continues. “If you still want these posts recommended to you, you will have a control to see them.”

In a post from over a month ago on Threads, the head of Instagram, Adam Mosseri, said the mission of the policy change “is to preserve the ability for people to choose to interact with political content, while respecting each person’s appetite for it.”

Dani Lever, a spokesperson for Meta, the parent company of Instagram and Threads, said in an emailed statement to The Hill that the “change does not impact posts from accounts people choose to follow; it impacts what the system recommends, and people can control if they want more.”

“This announcement expands on years of work on how we approach and treat political content based on what people have told us they wanted,” Lever added. “And now, people are going to be able to control whether they would like to have these types of posts recommended to them.”

TAGS ADAM MOSSERI INSTAGRAM INSTAGRAM POLITICAL CONTENT META META POLITICAL CONTENT THREADS
 

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