With a TikTok Ban Looming, Users Flee to Chinese App ‘Red Note’

[bnew]

that you, Bro?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Trump comments on TikTok ban: 'stay tuned' | TechCrunch

Just ahead of today's Supreme Court ruling -- which saw the nation's highest court uphold the law banning TikTok in the U.S. as of January 19 -- Donald

techcrunch.com

Next time on dragon ball z

 

[mastermind]

I would prefer that they busted things up via anti-trust. With that said, you are confining things to music. I am saying that for many Americans, TikTok is their source for music/shopping/culture/news/politics/etc. They are the filter that many Americans are using to understand the world around them.

That doesn't answer my question.

The real issue is the music industry is designed to be broken and has been since they started selling records. Banning TikTok won't solve the problem.

Because TikTok has the exact same negative traits of American social media companies AND it is owned by a foreign government that we are at odds with.

Ok? So lets also go at those American social media companies as well?

I don't think either of us think that Joe Biden is actually posting TikToks, let alone TikToks from his presidential phone

That is not the point. If it was such a security risk to the nation, then why was Joe Biden on it? Why was Kamala "I don't disagree with anything Joe Biden has done" Harris sharing TikTok vids?

Re: National Security and social media... There's clear evidence that Russia and China (AND American governments) use bot farms as influence campaigns on social media. Here an article on some of the times the PRC were caught in recent times, which is clear evidence of a national security risk:

Ok? This is a social media problem. Not just a TikTok problem.

Instead of doing something to stop social media companies from allowing this, our lawmakers have shrugged their shoulders.

Here are some questions I'm curious to hear your response on:

1. Do you genuinely think that China are creating bot farms on Instagram/Facebook/Twitter but not TikTok?
2. Given that China already runs bot farms and influence campaigns, why do you think they wouldn't use the most influential platform in the US that they happen to own?
3. Do you think that Americans would recognize if they were being fed points that made them more amenable to the Chinese perpsective? If so, why?

1. They could be.
2. I never said they didn't.
3. Most Americans aren't critical thinkers.


My question regarding this is, why stop at TikTok? Facebook does this and Zuckernerd just told us he won't be fact-checking anymore. Musty also owns Twitter and has banned fact-checking as well. Google has never given a fukk about fact-checking and the truth. Why focus on TikTok when they all do it, and every government uses those platforms to do the same thing?

Why be concerned about these influence campaigns and not the continued loss of privacy? If anything, along with protecting the American social media companies' market share, the government is also doing this because it doesn't think China will fall in line with the American police state apparatus setup. We know China has one, but I'm pretty sure most Americans--including many in this thread--aren't aware that the government leans on these platforms for information about us.

 

[bnew]

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@luo_yuehan
US citizen: "I must definitely confess. We have been brainwashed about China."

My experience: "People in all western countries have been brainwashed about China"

/search?q=#RedNote /search?q=#tiktokrefugees



https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1880564802457677824/vid/avc1/576x1024/bhoLTe3sXlIO-O4W.mp4

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@BrunoHubacher1
citizens have been brainwashed about a lot of things /search?q=#communism
Des images dans les têtes



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@BDANDD
I went to Beijing in 2019. I was impressed by the people and culture. What impressed me most, 1000s gather at Tiananmen Sq in Am and 6 Pm to watch the raising and lowering flag. I thought, no way would 1000s do this EVERY day at Nat Mall DC. Would be protestors



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@factoroftime


[Quoted tweet]
This idiot needs to follow @songpinganq so he can burst his little china bubble ..


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@Floridagirl0850
you guys need to go there immediately..



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@cashupcash
propaganda is a helluva drug



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@Kamomh




https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1880584088857268224/pu/vid/avc1/960x720/zTiiw7fThRbzSdCv.mp4

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@skywola
And ISRAEL. Any government that will support, aid and abet genocide is not acting in the interest of its citizens.



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@afriqNd
Only China, a lot of things dude. A lot



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@BrParkes





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[bnew]

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@ok_post_guy
Imani are you aware of where this photo was taken?

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This is not a drill: Chinese people are learning that we fine homeless people.

I REPEAT, THEY HAVE LEARNED THE UNITED STATES FINES HOMELESS PEOPLE FOR BEING HOMELESS.

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@bluemic986
dude, to homeless people you need the governor of their homes to get him trained and get a job, not letting them sleeping on the streets, in communism govt actually work for the benefit of the people, not like capitalism who works for capitalists.



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@bluemic986
guess what, 34CNY = 4.6USD, how much is the KFC prices in your country?? I was in Europe last November, the same KFC food would cost like 15 Euros at least.

when your people are starving, you really can't blame other country's govt for offering lower living cost for their people

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[Macallik86]

1. They could be.
2. I never said they didn't.
3. Most Americans aren't critical thinkers.

So then it's a national security risk.

Why be concerned about these influence campaigns and not the continued loss of privacy?

• I wipe Android from my phone and run GrapheneOS for privacy.
• I wipe Windows/ChromeOS from my computers and run LInux for privacy.
• I deleted my Facebook for privacy.
• I deleted Twitter and use Nitter or the Fediverse
• I replaced Google services like Photos/Gmail with privacy-friendly alternative like Immich/Proton
• I run a hardened FireFox browser for privacy.
• I self-host docker containers for privacy.

I have taken many steps to protect my privacy, and have never advocated for ppl using Amazon/Facebook/Google in this thread. Respectfully, YOU are the person running interference for TikTok w/ bothsider-isms that would make a TLR nikka blush.

You keep suggesting that because there isn't regulation of Americanized social media, we shouldn't regulate foreign adversaries, which is frustrating. This argument is like saying that it doesn't make sense to use condoms until you get a flu shot.

 

[Pressure]

So then it's a national security risk.

• I wipe Android from my phone and run GrapheneOS for privacy.
• I wipe Windows/ChromeOS from my computers and run LInux for privacy.
• I deleted my Facebook for privacy.
• I deleted Twitter and use Nitter or the Fediverse
• I replaced Google services like Photos/Gmail with privacy-friendly alternative like Immich/Proton
• I run a hardened FireFox browser for privacy.
• I self-host docker containers for privacy.

I have taken many steps to protect my privacy, and have never advocated for ppl using Amazon/Facebook/Google in this thread. Respectfully, YOU are the person running interference for TikTok w/ bothsider-isms that would make a TLR nikka blush.

You keep suggesting that because there isn't regulation of Americanized social media, we shouldn't regulate foreign adversaries, which is frustrating. This argument is like saying that it doesn't make sense to use condoms until you get a flu shot.

You’re arguing against multiple nirvana fallacies.

 

[88m3]

nothing is stopping them from making an onlyfans accounts since the driving factor appears to be economic for the most vocal

 

[Macallik86]

This is a social media post bnew posted unironically:

I went to Beijing in 2019. I was impressed by the people and culture. What impressed me most, 1000s gather at Tiananmen Sq in Am and 6 Pm to watch the raising and lowering flag. I thought, no way would 1000s do this EVERY day at Nat Mall DC. Would be protestors

A patriotic reference to Tiananmen Square MASSACRE is nasty work that is jumping the shark my dude.

Do you not see the symbolic message here? Do you believe that all governments in the Western world lied to us and Tiananmen Square didn't happened?

Hopefully this wakes up some of the people to the undertones of the discussion. This is getting spooky season.

 

[mastermind]

So then it's a national security risk.

The national security risk that the president, Vice President and many members of Congress joined. The math ain’t mathing.

• I wipe Android from my phone and run GrapheneOS for privacy.
• I wipe Windows/ChromeOS from my computers and run LInux for privacy.
• I deleted my Facebook for privacy.
• I deleted Twitter and use Nitter or the Fediverse
• I replaced Google services like Photos/Gmail with privacy-friendly alternative like Immich/Proton
• I run a hardened FireFox browser for privacy.
• I self-host docker containers for privacy.

Think about how you said TikTok is a national security risk for most Americans because most of us are stupid. Most Americans aren’t doing all of this to protect their privacy. You don’t have much animus against that and Congress has none for that.

Respectfully, YOU are the person running interference for TikTok w/ bothsider-isms that would make a TLR nikka blush.

I’ve never ran interference for TikTok and I don’t support it. I’ve been railing against these platforms before TikTok hit the app stores because I’ve seen the danger in them. Our government has done nothing.

(As an aside, this thought ending “both side” nonsense has to stop. It’s all is to limit discourse to hide people from thinking about an uncomfortable topic. It’s cowardice)

You keep suggesting that because there isn't regulation of Americanized social media, we shouldn't regulate foreign adversaries, which is frustrating.

Understand something. China was not seen as a foreign adversary until Trump’s first term—and it’s funny that now Trump is gonna save TikTok because Biden and the Dems took ownership of Trump’s anti-China agenda like—which was due to American companies being shook that China wasn’t only going to be a source of cheap labor anymore, but actual competition. We don’t have much proof that China is interested in doing what we do all over the world. The US’ only beef with China is we don’t want them to control their own region. It’s insane because that area is 5,000 miles from US borders, but we are committed to ensuring our resources at that.

I say that to say that calling them a foreign adversary is peak DC-brain logic. I don’t buy it, especially since we have been the aggressor and have been the ones running anti China propaganda here.

TikTok is a stupid social media platform. Nothing more. The US concern has never been national security, but protecting American companies who aide in upkeeping the police state, something most of you have no problem with even though that has way more impact on your lives—and these platforms sell our information and are not secure at all which is why they keep getting hacked.

I don’t run interference for TikTok. I want social media regulation. Cutting off a branch from a poisonous tree isn’t doing that.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

What happened when other countries banned TikTok — The Washington Post

India’s 2020 crackdown helped give rise to Instagram Reels, which has largely replaced it there. But TikTok has proved more resilient elsewhere.

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[Macallik86]

We don’t have much proof that China is interested in doing what we do all over the world. The US’ only beef with China is we don’t want them to control their own region. It’s insane because that area is 5,000 miles from US borders, but we are committed to ensuring our resources at that.

I say that to say that calling them a foreign adversary is peak DC-brain logic. I don’t buy it, especially since we have been the aggressor and have been the ones running anti China propaganda here.

When it comes to Russia/China and the USA, I already acknowledged that EVERYONE runs propaganda against each other.

Your perspective is frustrating because you are an American that fully embraces America running psyops (which I fully agree is true) yet you cannot acknowledge that China is doing the same thing globally as well. Have you not been paying attention to world news at all?

Here's some headlines in the last month:

When American allies' undersea cables are severed, suspicion falls on Russia and China

Damage to cables from Taiwan to the Baltic Sea has put communications at risk. It’s unclear who is responsible or whether the disruptions are intentional.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/xi-says-no-one-can-stop-chinas-reunification-with-taiwan-2024-12-31/

And then there are Chinese pysops happening to influence our election:

China-linked bots targeting Republicans including Marco Rubio in run-up to election, Microsoft says

Chinese embassy denies connection to alleged coordinated interference on social media by troll network known as Taizi Flood

www.theguardian.com

Your talking points mirror Trump's presser w/ Putin when he was in Russia. "Well America does bad stuff too so why should I trust what my government tells me about Russia China".

I think this entire discussion can be summarized like this:

• America can be a poor flagbearer for democracy AND China can be a shytty country looking to do harm to America.
• Google/Meta/Twitter can be shytty social media AND TikTok can be shytty social media and a national security risk

I'll let you get the last word in.

 

[choc_cardigan]

China was not seen as a foreign adversary until Trump’s first term





















This will be a long 4 years

 

[mastermind]

Your perspective is frustrating because you are an American that fully embraces America running psyops (which I fully agree is true) yet you cannot acknowledge that China is doing the same thing globally as well.

Please re-read what I said. I’m not saying China isn’t running A global propaganda campaign. I’m saying their interests isn’t what our interests are. America is a global empire and wants to keep that up. China just want to dominate that part of Asia. Don’t get my wrong, I don’t like any area to be ruled, but China ruling the Pacific rim makes more sense since they are there. Imagine Russia saying they rule Latin America when the US are here.

Your talking points mirror Trump's presser w/ Putin when he was in Russia. "Well America does bad stuff too so why should I trust what my government tells me about Russia China".

This is some five year olds mindset. Nothing in my post is pro China. I don’t live there or support them. But you in this same post just admitted that we run propaganda campaigns against China but for some reason, maybe like most of us the public education system has failed us, you aren’t making that final connection to really see things clearer.

This came out last year for instance:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/

think this entire discussion can be summarized like this:

• America can be a poor flagbearer for democracy AND China can be a shytty country looking to do harm to America.
• Google/Meta/Twitter can be shytty social media AND TikTok can be shytty social media and a national security risk

Except you’ve missed that I been critical of these companies protecting our privacy. I’d want our elected officials to focus on that along with national security. Considering you do a digital disinfection of your devices each time you use it—and I don’t think what you are doing will work all the way tbf—It seems you have some desire for that too, but are instead focusing primarily on a tiktok ban because your device is containing National security info.

 

[The_Unchosen_One]

Trump supposed to be giving TikTok a 90 day extension on Monday through Executive Order