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I was replying to a quote about about facebook and twitter....

They also have social credit scores do you also support those?


Listen if China wants do all kinds of crazy shyt with their citizens data that's an internal matter. I don't think there's a legitimate reason for them to be able to do the same with US's citizens.

The Chinese state can do whatever it pleases with their companies and citizens so it's frankly irrelevant lmao

I support much stricter standards of data protections for US citizens. That isn't the issue that's even being discussed.

:why:
Let’s just sum it up

Is it not the US? Then HELL YES
 

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love seeing people go to bat for the genocidal Chinese regime just because reasons

:mjlit:

The fact that you are not the least bit skeptical of everything the U.S government says foreign policy wise is flabbergasting.

Your snarky replies can’t erase the last 80 years of U.S foreign policy fukkery.
 

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The fact that you are not the least bit skeptical of everything the U.S government says foreign policy wise is flabbergasting.

Your snarky replies can’t erase the last 80 years of U.S foreign policy fukkery.

The US does horrific shyt! China fukking harvests the organs of their own dissidents, religious minorities, and is currently ethnically cleansing their Muslim population! You guys go gee that's kinda funny, I wonder if Mao got to listen to rock music. Worst of all you should all know better because you all have access to the information! You're not living in one of the societies that is actively being repressed like China, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Russia, the stans, and etc.



No I don't want China or another repressive government lording over US citizen's data so they can exploit it for whatever purpose they choose. No I don't want China a country that constantly hacks and steals US IP and costs this country jobs to have free reign over US citizen's data.

I'm totally crazy!!!
 

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TikTok Likely Has Obscure Constitutional Trump Card​

Bills of Attainder Clause Is Serious Obstacle To House Bill​

MARTIN 𝘔𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘺 𝘎 GOTTESFELD

MAR 14, 2024

A magnifying glass over the homepage newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/, showing the TikTok logo

(Jernej Furman, CC BY 2.0 DEED)

TikTok users concerned that Congress may ban the app may be able to relax, at least for now.

The House bill, passed yesterday, is likely a bill of attainder, an obscure type of law the Constitution specifically prohibits. As the Supreme Court explained in 1977:

In England a bill of attainder originally connoted a parliamentary Act sentencing a named individual or identifiable members of a group to death. [The Constitution], however, also proscribes enactments originally characterized as bills of pains and penalties, that is, legislative Acts inflicting punishment other than execution. Generally addressed to persons considered disloyal to the Crown or State, “pains and penalties” historically consisted of a wide array of punishments: commonly included were imprisonment, banishment, and the punitive confiscation of property by the sovereign. Our country's own experience with bills of attainder resulted in the addition of another sanction to the list of impermissible legislative punishments: a legislative enactment barring designated individuals or groups from participation in specified employments or vocations, a mode of punishment commonly employed against those legislatively branded as disloyal.

The Court’s key words include “named individual or identifiable members of a group,” “disloyal,” “banishment,” “confiscation” and “specified employments or vocations.” The following list addresses each in order:

  • “Named individual or identifiable members of a group”—the opening sentence of the House bill specifically targets “TikTok and any successor application or service and any other application or service developed or provided by ByteDance Ltd. or an entity under the control of ByteDance Ltd.” The Bill later repeats this specific enumeration of “ByteDance, Ltd.” and “TikTok.”
  • “Disloyal”—the House bill uses the phrase “foreign adversary” 32 times.
  • “Banishment”—the House bill expressly invokes “the land or maritime borders of the United States,” effectively banishing TikTok.
  • “Confiscation”—the House bill leaves “divestiture” as TikTok’s only way forward and provides TikTok no guarantee of “just compensation,” as required by the Fifth Amendment whenever the government takes “private property.”
  • “Specified employments or vocations”—the House bill five times uses the phrase “website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application” to describe exactly the means of employment or vocation denied to disloyal “foreign adversaries.”

What is more, the current Supreme Court majority is likelier than any other in the last century to apply a strict, historical (“textualist”) interpretation of the Constitution’s Bills of Attainder Clause favorable to TikTok. That is not to say that the bill would make it that far in litigation. The government’s last attempt to ban TikTok never made it out of the trial court.

TikTok, however, may yet face serious legal challenges. Legislation with criminal sanctions to regulate TikTok’s data practices is constitutionally feasible. Congress could require, e.g., that TikTok house U.S. residents’ data domestically and receive regulatory permission to export that data or allow foreign access to it.

Multiple Justice Department attorneys have described Martin MartyG Gottesfeld as “a sophisticated pro se litigant.” Federal Judge Nathanial M. Gorton ordered Gottesfeld, over Gottesfeld’s objection, to represent himself in a federal criminal case.
 

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This is one of the dumbest things I've seen on this site.

Cambridge Analytica was an operation ran on British soil at the behest of an idiot and his merry men to capture the presidency. It's result very well shook the foundation of the country but it was not the intent to collapse it. It was made possible by Meta lacking oversight of its 3rd party integrations and data handling. Zuck is an idiot, not an accelerationist.
So who was CA working with? Bannon and them weren't Americans? And Zuck selling user data to China is ok? To Russia? That's in line with protecting the US from collapse to you? Zuck is an American after all. Citizens United is good for the long term health of the US? You think Twitter's current run is healthy for the US since Musk is a citizen, right? Good old American companies, they must have the health of the USA in mind because they're American🫡:mjlol:

Why do you think the largest banks (BOA, Chase, WF) in the US aren’t foreign banks? Or why the largest telecommunications companies like AT&T, Verizon, etc. aren’t foreign companies? Or so on and so forth. If it would be eyebrow raising to have China running AT&T and supplying everyone’s internet and phone services, why do you think it’s fine for them to control the largest social media platform?
Because they already existed in some form before banking and telecommunication were as globalized as they are now. Infrastructure, proximity, etc play a factor as well.

Did you know one of the top creators of cell phones and cell technology is a Korean company? Did you know one of the top manufacturers of microprocessors is a Taiwanese company? This may shock you, but the number 1 cell phone company uses China to build the cell phones that over a hundred million Americans use.
:ohhh:
 

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I get it, but there will be no change to the user experience on TikTok no matter what happens with this bill
It could either go away or have some American bag man own it for the Saudis or Russian. I don’t use it, so I don’t really care tbh. I only dislike the precedent they are setting and the ramifications of this.
 

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Because they already existed in some form before banking and telecommunication were as globalized as they are now. Infrastructure, proximity, etc play a factor as well.

Did you know one of the top creators of cell phones and cell technology is a Korean company? Did you know one of the top manufacturers of microprocessors is a Taiwanese company? This may shock you, but the number 1 cell phone company uses China to build the cell phones that over a hundred million Americans use.
:ohhh:

You're being obtuse. All the buyouts and mergers that taken place in the last 20 years, there's been ample opportunity for Chinese multi-nationals or Russian multi-nationals to own some of the mega American firms. But we all know Congress and various regulators wouldn't stand for it.

Imagine Банк Америки being the second largest bank :mjlol:

They would say FOH for the same reason as TikTok.

And you keep bringing up things that are far up the supply chain. Everyone knows about TSMC. Everyone knows about Samsung. Buying products from a foreign company is different than a foreign company being the major controller of critical American infrastructure. Like.....LEVELS....different. But you know what. You got it. Open your checking with Bank of Russia breh. Do you.
 

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I was replying to a quote about about facebook and twitter....

They also have social credit scores do you also support those?


Listen if China wants do all kinds of crazy shyt with their citizens data that's an internal matter. I don't think there's a legitimate reason for them to be able to do the same with US's citizens.

The Chinese state can do whatever it pleases with their companies and citizens so it's frankly irrelevant lmao

I support much stricter standards of data protections for US citizens. That isn't the issue that's even being discussed.

:why:
give me an example of them using your data?
 
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