With a TikTok Ban Looming, Users Flee to Chinese App ‘Red Note’

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What's even more crazy and frankly unbelievable is how many Americans fight tooth and nail to keep it IN PLACE.

You got people across the internet from TheColi to Tiktok to twitter to reddit etc.
That will want to meet and fight over you saying our public transportation is trash as fukk and
Obamacare was created to play nice with the capitalists in the insurance and healthcare industry.

MAGATs, I understand.
Blue Magats? They always find a way to defend people doing exactly what the richest Americans
want, all while calling you dumb and propagandized. These are the ones who blow my mind. :pachaha:

It's so gross.
That's why I'm hell bent on at the very least, getting me a house on another continent so if things ever
go to shyt, I'm catching the first flight out this bytch.
 

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What's even more crazy and frankly unbelievable is how many Americans fight tooth and nail to keep it IN PLACE.

You got people across the internet from TheColi to Tiktok to twitter to reddit etc.
That will want to meet and fight over you saying our public transportation is trash as fukk and
Obamacare was created to play nice with the capitalists in the insurance and healthcare industry.

MAGATs, I understand.
Blue Magats? They always find a way to defend people doing exactly what the richest Americans
want, all while calling you dumb and propagandized. These are the ones who blow my mind. :pachaha:

It's so gross.
That's why I'm hell bent on at the very least, getting me a house on another continent so if things ever
go to shyt, I'm catching the first flight out this bytch.
Americans are extremely propagandized.
 

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Americans are extremely propagandized.
Agreed, they're so propagandized that I almost feel as if there is no hope for us within my lifetime.

I feel bad for feeling this way tbh.
It's not very "commie" of me but when I see how many millions of people take pleasure in some truly
sadistic and hateful shyt and how many seemingly hunger for war with China, I find myself less and less interested
in "fixing" America and more interested in distancing myself from it.


Like I feel like I'd be more likely to be a victim of state violence trying to change minds before I ever actually change one offline.
 

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Gen Z ‘nihilism’ over Chinese tech fears shows gulf with Washington​


Mizy Clifton

Feb 7, 2025, 1:10pm EST

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US lawmakers on Thursday said they planned to introduce a bipartisan bill to ban Chinese AI startup DeepSeek’s chatbot from government-owned devices, citing national security concerns, in a move that echoed one of Congress’ first pushes against TikTok two years ago.

However, younger generations in the US appear unfazed by the debate over security threats posed by Chinese-owned tech, with app downloads of TikTok, RedNote, and DeepSeek soaring among Gen Z users.

TikTok’s anticipated shutdown in January prompted thousands of “TikTok refugees” to flock to Chinese alternative Xiahohongshu, referred to as Rednote in English. Many joked they were “Chinese spies” on a mission to troll the US government — a reference to fears over Beijing’s surveillance of users via the app.

A similar dynamic is playing out around DeepSeek; it is in the crosshairs of several governments around the world, though some officials and experts claim that data security fears are overblown.

More than three-quarters of US downloads of DeepSeek’s chatbot since Jan. 15 were by users aged 18-34, according to data from market intelligence firm AppMagic shared with Semafor.

A chart showing US downloads of DeepSeek downloads by age


“It’s a post-Snowden and post-WikiLeaks generation that throws its hands up in the air and says, ‘we don’t care about the Chinese spy, everyone has our data,’” Elizabeth Ingleson, an international history professor at the London School of Economics and Political Science told Semafor.

Some analysts have suggested the start of a new Cold War between the US and China, but what Ingleson described as Gen Z’s “nihilism” suggests “a very different sort of relationship between public opinion and policymakers,” where government attempts to sow fear don’t resonate in the way they have historically.

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The US is generationally divided over China more broadly: 18-29 year-olds are most likely to hold favorable views of the country, and support declines steadily with age, according to polling by Gallup and the Pew Research Center.

A chart showing US attitudes to China by age group


Attitudes toward China may be tied to more deep-rooted divisions in US society, Madeline Carr, a global politics and cybersecurity professor at University College, London told Semafor.

TikTok lets young people “peek into cultures that they wouldn’t normally have access to,” she said. When combined with other grievances that polls have found, such as the feeling of being worse off than one’s parents, this exposure makes the story of American greatness in relation to the rest of the world more difficult to sustain, she said.

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Beijing appeared to largely cheer on the influx of US users to RedNote last month: A foreign ministry spokesperson said that China “supports and encourages stronger people-to-people and cultural exchanges between China and other countries.”

Chinese state media also endorsed the trend. “RedNote has become a message board for the people of China and the US, reflecting the simple wish of both countries and the international community for a world of peace, prosperity, and universal security…[The future of the US-China relationship] depends on the youth,” Global Times’ editorial board wrote in January.

One Hong Kong-based columnist argued in the South China Morning Post that the online interactions between young Americans and Chinese helped “debunk Washington’s ‘China threat’ narrative,” which he said, should encourage Beijing to relax its censorship.

However some Chinese social media users, including nationalist bloggers, were less welcoming, Reuters reported. One popular WeChat blogger warned his followers against being influenced by American users, writing, “Propagandists from the United States can easily achieve their goals by following a simple routine - first praise you a few words to make you ‘relax your vigilance’, and then bring their own goods to subtly influence you.”

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Policymakers have correctly identified the risks posed by a Chinese-owned version of TikTok, but failed to understand that talking about the platform solely through the lens of national security jars with how a lot of young people see it as a place for entertainment, Samantha Wong from the Atlantic Council’s Global China Hub told Semafor.

“We’re hoping that they’re starting to realize that there needs to be a better way to communicate [the national security risks] to Gen Z,” she said.

US lawmakers worry that TikTok’s content recommendation algorithm could be weaponized by China to spread propaganda and disinformation. But its high-quality algorithm is core to its success in the US, Wong said: “If a non-Chinese company buys TikTok, I think a lot of people would end up leaving TikTok and going to RedNote.”

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