Each era has a GOAT or 2…..
Thought bron was gaining on the goat but it’s not close
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Each era has a GOAT or 2…..
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Word to James HardenLebron is the only superstar across sports who is praised for “stats” and LOSING than he is for being a winner
While for every other superstar it’s the other way around
Born2BKing
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This some straight hater shyt. Got damnLebron is the only superstar across sports who is praised for “stats” and LOSING than he is for being a winner
While for every other superstar it’s the other way around
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...on the otherside of the pond
Why do yall dudes answer yourselves thinking you’re responding to someone?
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
He shouldnt be praised for taking the 07 Cavs to finals or criticized for not beating the Spurs?Lebron is the only superstar across sports who is praised for “stats” and LOSING than he is for being a winner
While for every other superstar it’s the other way around
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Lebron is the only superstar across sports who is praised for “stats” and LOSING than he is for being a winner
While for every other superstar it’s the other way around
Not a winner? There's literally only two players in NBA history with 4 Finals MVPs and he's one of them. Most playoff wins in NBA history too. And the top three things folk praise him for are his 2016 Finals comeback against the Warriors, his 2013 Finals comeback against the Spurs, and his 2012 ECF comeback against the Celtics.
Also, did you forget Barry Bonds exists? Or Barry Sanders? Ronaldo is one of the biggest sports superstars in history and it sure as hell ain't for winning. Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West, and Oscar Robertson are lauded for their stats far more than for their wins. Word to Allen Iverson. Pedro and Randy have GOAT cases but only have one title each and for Pedro he wasn't even at his peak or the main contributor.
Y'all always exposing that you hate sports and don't know shyt about it. You're just here for the soap opera and pro wrestling storylines.
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Will be top 5-6 in steals and threes too. Top 2-3 in MVPs and Finals MVPs. #1 in playoff wins, #1 in all-star appearances, and #1 in All-NBA teams. And the only player in history to lead three different squads to titles.
I still think, though, if you go solely by legacy and how they played against their peers at the time, MJ has the best GOAT case. 5 MVPs, 6 Finals MVPs, and not a single seriously bad playoff series is tough to beat even if you can say that he had certain advantages. MJ's case for GOAT is the clearest. If you go by overall play as an all-around basketball player and take competition into account, they both have strong cases. But then the people who say that it's stupid to try to crown one GOAT, that we can't compare players with different roles and eras like that and should just enjoy them for who they are, also have a strong point.
Jordan is the GOAT, but Bron is a better player. That's what kats should be saying.
Due to him being the GOAT all-around player, Bron is probably the only player that could pull off that 2016 comeback against fukk nikka State.
Due to him being the GOAT all-around player, Bron is probably the only player that could pull off that 2016 comeback against fukk nikka State.
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in the nba finals alone?
or do you include the 1st, 2nd and conference finals as well?
i looked at the numbers and from 1984-2020, a lebron lead team has two of the easiest paths to the nba finals stretching 37 years, this includes nba finals opponents.
if the metrics are correct, it changes the narrative on a lot of stuff.
kobe has 3 of the top 10 hardest path to the finals, all victories
houston is number one in 94-95
and jordan has 2 in the top 10....4 in the top 15.
dirk nowitzki checks in at #6 when dallas beat miami because lebrons sorry ass got outplayed by jason terry, and was overwhelmed mentally
lebron has one in the top 10 when he beat golden state.
miami 2012 title is ranked 22
miami 2013 title and lakers 2020 title runs are in the bottom 4 weakest out of 37 total years
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ItWasWritten
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Yikesin the nba finals alone?
or do you include the 1st, 2nd and conference finals as well?
i looked at the numbers and from 1984-2020, a lebron lead team has two of the easiest paths to the nba finals stretching 37 years, this includes nba finals opponents.
if the metrics are correct, it changes the narrative on a lot of stuff.
kobe has 3 of the top 10 hardest path to the finals, all victories
houston is number one in 94-95
and jordan has 2 in the top 10....4 in the top 15.
dirk nowitzki checks in at #6 when dallas beat miami because lebrons sorry ass got outplayed by jason terry, and was overwhelmed mentally
lebron has one in the top 10 when he beat golden state.
miami 2012 title is ranked 22
miami 2013 title and lakers 2020 title runs are in the bottom 4 weakest out of 37 total years
No one gives a shyt about that, because "How easy were the easy teams you beat?" is an irrelevant question.
For a champion, all that matters is how tough your toughest opponents were. You're trying to degrade the difficulty of those Finals matchups by averaging them out with 1st and 2nd round opponents that are completely irrelevant. Sure, Bron played some shytty teams in Round 1, but that doesn't matter because EVERY champion is going to win in Round 1 no matter how tough the opponent is.
Also, those numbers don't tell you jack shyt about context. They completely ignore shyt like, "Bosh missed most of the 2012 playoffs" or "Kyrie and Love both went down in the first two rounds". Nor do they take into accounts which opponents lost stars on the way there - Houston in 2010 is considered a tough matchup even though McGrady and Yao were both gone?
Measuring the difficulty of a postseason run is nonsense when you don't even account for who was actually on the court when they played.
LOL at you counting 2000, 2001, and 2002 as "Kobe's" toughest paths to the Finals.
And that metric says 2001 was the 2nd-hardest ring in the last 30 years? How fukking stupid is that metric?
1st round: Easily swept an imploding Portland team. Blazers had lost 14 of their last 22 games, they all hated each other, didn't want to be there, fired their coach when the season ended. Lakers barely had to try.
2nd round: Easily swept the Webber/Pega Kings. This was before they signed Bibby, they were a good team but young and had never even won a playoff series before. They weren't on the Lakers' level.
WCF: Easily swept a Spurs team led by Duncan and a shyt sandwich. This was the worst supporting cast of Duncan's career - no TP, no Manu, Sean Elliott went down due to the kidney issue, Derek Anderson got injured before the playoffs started, David Robinson and Avery Johnson were aging out. Duncan was forced to go to battle with career 7th-man Antonio Daniels as his #2 option AND the primary defender on Kobe. Spurs had zero chance.
Finals: Surprisingly struggled at first against a horribly flawed Sixers team. Sixers had just barely won one of the ugliest conference finals matchups in history against a Bucks team that wasn't shyt (Iverson shot 13-35, 10-32, and 5-27 in three of the Sixers wins that series).
Derek Fisher vs. Eric Snow
Kobe Bryant vs. Allen Iverson
Rick Fox vs. Aaron McKie
Robert Horry vs. Tyrone Hill
Shaquille O'Neal vs Dikembe Mutombo
That's a massive mismatch. And that's the toughest foe in supposedly the 2nd toughest run in modern NBA history? After 3 easy series against teams that had no shot whatsoever?
You list was trash.
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Sunalmighty
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nikka, i didnt come up with this shyt. the dude who came up with the SRS metric didNo one gives a shyt about that, because "How easy were the easy teams you beat?" is an irrelevant question.
For a champion, all that matters is how tough your toughest opponents were. You're trying to degrade the difficulty of those Finals matchups by averaging them out with 1st and 2nd round opponents that are completely irrelevant. Sure, Bron played some shytty teams in Round 1, but that doesn't matter because EVERY champion is going to win in Round 1 no matter how tough the opponent is.
LOL at you counting 2000, 2001, and 2002 as "Kobe's" toughest paths to the Finals.
And that metric says 2001 was the 2nd-hardest ring in the last 30 years? How fukking stupid is that metric?
1st round: Easily swept a Portland team that was completely imploding. Blazers had lost 14 of their last 22 games to end the season, they all hated each other, didn't even want to be there. Fired their coach the moment the season ended. Lakers barely even had to try.
2nd round: Easily swept a Kings team led by Webber and Peja. This was the pre-Bibby Kings, they were a good team but young (had never even won a playoff series before this year) and it was before they acquired Bibby. They weren't on the Lakers' level.
WCF: Easily swept a Spurs team led by Duncan and a shyt sandwich. This was the worst supporting cast of Duncan's career - Sean Elliott went down due to the kidney issue, Derek Anderson got injured before the playoffs started, David Robinson and Avery Johnson were aging out, neither Tony Parker nor Manu Ginobli had been drafted yet, and so Duncan was forced to go to battle with career 7th-man Antonio Daniels as his #2 option AND the primary defender on Kobe. Spurs had zero chance.
Finals: Surprisingly struggled at first against a horribly flawed Sixers team. Sixers had just barely won one of the ugliest conference finals matchups in history against a Bucks team that wasn't shyt (Iverson shot 13-35, 10-32, and 5-27 in three of the Sixers wins that series).
These were the lineups:
Derek Fisher vs. Eric Snow
Kobe Bryant vs. Allen Iverson
Rick Fox vs. Aaron McKie
Robert Horry vs. Tyrone Hill
Shaquille O'Neal vs Dikembe Mutombo
That's a massive mismatch. And that's the toughest foe in supposedly the 2nd toughest run in modern NBA history? After 3 easy series against teams that had no shot whatsoever?
You list was trash.
dont get mad at me because of where he places lebrons 2013 and 2020 titles. if you dont like the metric he came up with come up with your own shyt kid
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