Thought bron was gaining on the goat but it’s not close

[Pack2]

My boy said “top 11 picks” on some ESPN stat shyt

 

[ItWasWritten]

I'll give MJ credit, for doing something Bron didn't do and that's win every final when favorite. Bron didn't get it done against Dallas and we all can agree on that. That said, he got it done when he didn't have clearly the best team whereas MJ never got it done when he didn't have the best team or wasn't the favorite. MJ is a front runner. LeBron is the ultimate put the team on his back guy. That said, MJ was favorite against Orlando and lost to them in 95. MJ fans will make a million excuses but he didn't get it done against Orlando as favorites.

To me, MJ has a very strong case but Bron case is much stronger. He beat teams he had no business beating. I can't say the same for Jordan.

Who did Bron beat when he didn’t have the best team ?

Thunder ?
Spurs ?
Heat ?

Your strongest case is the Warriors, who up to the finals had already lost 5 games (they had lost 9 the whole season). And just came off of one game of getting eliminated by the Thunder.

That Cavs team was stacked to the gills, and even with that win it took a suspension and injuries to 2 key players to get that…

What’s funny is you clowns forget MJ won 2 finals back to back with his 2nd best player injured (leg, back). Pip was horrendous in those finals.

You’re basically shytting on a player for working their team into a dominant position, and being an integral and crucial part of a great team.

“Well they were the favorites” yeah no shyt … great players, make great teams, and make great odds

You seen this last year with the Westbrook, Melo,Rondo, Lebron, Ad

Favorited highly to win a title .. and what happened ? Y’all forget about that shyt huh

Bron had the most feared team in the league for 4 years

Lost one embarrassingly
Won 1 against the Thunder
Barely beat the spurs in the other
Got ran off the court the following year by the same OLD ass team ( Wade was injured ? So was Pippen)

Bron was bad in his first finals, those games were close and went down to the wire. Does that not count ?

Great player but his failures outweigh Jordan’s in every way possible.

 

[ItWasWritten]

Forgot these facts.
MJ played 15 seasons.
6 finals appearances
9 seasons without finals appearances
No playoff series wins without Pippen. In fact, MJ only has one playoff win without Pippen.
Is this your goat?
57-25 with MJ, next year, 55-27 without MJ replaced by Pete Myers from the CBA.

Opinion:

Awards that the media votes for are useless. Hakeem was the DPOY by a mile over MJ that year. The media fukked that one up badly.
Bron should have been MVP most years as well as MJ when he played. If you look at some of his 80s defensive metrics which I previously shared, he was a negative defender impact wise. Bron outside of his return to Cleveland was never a negative defender.

Celebrating shyt like steals is awful when you break contain as much as MJ did.

MJ is the goat front runner.

This is what happens when you get your basketball knowledge from twitter.

 

[#1 pick]

Who did Bron beat when he didn’t have the best team ?

Thunder ?
Spurs ?
Heat ?

Your strongest case is the Warriors, who up to the finals had already lost 5 games (they had lost 9 the whole season). And just came off of one game of getting eliminated by the Thunder.

That Cavs team was stacked to the gills, and even with that win it took a suspension and injuries to 2 key players to get that…

What’s funny is you clowns forget MJ won 2 finals back to back with his 2nd best player injured (leg, back). Pip was horrendous in those finals.

You’re basically shytting on a player for working their team into a dominant position, and being an integral and crucial part of a great team.

“Well they were the favorites” yeah no shyt … great players, make great teams, and make great odds

You seen this last year with the Westbrook, Melo,Rondo, Lebron, Ad

Favorited highly to win a title .. and what happened ? Y’all forget about that shyt huh

Bron had the most feared team in the league for 4 years

Lost one embarrassingly
Won 1 against the Thunder
Barely beat the spurs in the other
Got ran off the court the following year by the same OLD ass team ( Wade was injured ? So was Pippen)

Bron was bad in his first finals, those games were close and went down to the wire. Does that not count ?

Great player but his failures outweigh Jordan’s in every way possible.

Vegas favored OKC, Spurs in both matchups, and Warriors in all matchups against Bron.

That Cavs team was not stacked.

So you think any of the finals Bulls teams went against teams that had any shot against those Bulls. The only team that did, beat Chicago in the ECF.

That paragraph made no sense. Say it outloud to yourself and hear how bad it sounds

Elite teams are generally favorites and Bron teams generally aren't elite.

You guys love talking about Bron with washed guys as if MJ didn't play with George Gervin and others.

Huh?

Feared ain't the best. Knicks was the most feared in the early 90s and no one thought they were losing to the Bulls.

All of that was in series they were only favored in only once which of course, they lost.

Bron wasn't bad against SA.

You are delusional.

 

[#1 pick]

This is what happens when you get your basketball knowledge from twitter.

This is what happens with a low IQ MJ worshipper tries to be cute.

 

[ItWasWritten]

Vegas favored OKC, Spurs in both matchups, and Warriors in all matchups against Bron.

That Cavs team was not stacked.

So you think any of the finals Bulls teams went against teams that had any shot against those Bulls. The only team that did, beat Chicago in the ECF.

That paragraph made no sense. Say it outloud to yourself and hear how bad it sounds

Elite teams are generally favorites and Bron teams generally aren't elite.

You guys love talking about Bron with washed guys as if MJ didn't play with George Gervin and others.

Huh?

Feared ain't the best. Knicks was the most feared in the early 90s and no one thought they were losing to the Bulls.

All of that was in series they were only favored in only once which of course, they lost.

Bron wasn't bad against SA.

You are delusional.

So you determine if a team is “good” or not by what Vegas says ? Oh ok. Anything to make them Bron L’s feel better to you I guess.

The Cavs weren’t stacked ? WHAT ? Ok.

The Miami Heat weren’t elite ? Ok.

And if Brons teams aren’t ever elite, why is that ? Why is it that GMs have to consistently move heaven and earth for Bron to compete. He’s played with more talent than Jordan ever did, and with that most recent trade … I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s had over 200 different teammates his whole career

Knicks were not the most feared team in the early 90s… what the fukk are you talking about ?

Bron playing with washed guys ? AD and Westbrook were not washed …What are you talking about ? Melo and Rondo off the bench … the team was “favored” for a reason.

Lebron wasn’t bad in 07 ?

Shooting 35 percent, 20 from 3 isn’t bad ? Ok. Did you watch that series ?

 

[Born2BKing]

Forgot these facts.
MJ played 15 seasons.
6 finals appearances
9 seasons without finals appearances
No playoff series wins without Pippen. In fact, MJ only has one playoff win without Pippen.
Is this your goat?
57-25 with MJ, next year, 55-27 without MJ replaced by Pete Myers from the CBA.

Opinion:

Awards that the media votes for are useless. Hakeem was the DPOY by a mile over MJ that year. The media fukked that one up badly.
Bron should have been MVP most years as well as MJ when he played. If you look at some of his 80s defensive metrics which I previously shared, he was a negative defender impact wise. Bron outside of his return to Cleveland was never a negative defender.

Celebrating shyt like steals is awful when you break contain as much as MJ did.

MJ is the goat front runner.

Lebron hater brigade logic has always been it's better to not make finals then lose in the finals. Make it make sense.

 

[Osmosis]

in the nba finals alone?

or do you include the 1st, 2nd and conference finals as well?

i looked at the numbers and from 1984-2020, a lebron lead team has two of the easiest paths to the nba finals stretching 37 years, this includes nba finals opponents.

if the metrics are correct, it changes the narrative on a lot of stuff.

kobe has 3 of the top 10 hardest path to the finals, all victories

houston is number one in 94-95

and jordan has 2 in the top 10....4 in the top 15.

dirk nowitzki checks in at #6 when dallas beat miami because lebrons sorry ass got outplayed by jason terry, and was overwhelmed mentally

lebron has one in the top 10 when he beat golden state.

miami 2012 title is ranked 22

miami 2013 title and lakers 2020 title runs are in the bottom 4 weakest out of 37 total years

SRS is silly metric to use when comparing across eras, a team like the 1996 Sonics has a high SRS by virtue of being a 60 win team when they wouldn't win 60 games in any other era.

The reality is that Jordan played in the weakest era in NBA history. The league expanded six times in seven years during Jordan's prime vs. one time in Lebron's 20 year career. The result-

If you look at LeBron's entire prime- (let's say, 2007-2008 through 2019-2020):

1. % of teams below .500, overall: 12 out of 30 (40%)

2. % of teams below .400, overall: 4 out of 30 (13.3%)

3. % of teams below .300, overall: 0 out of 30 (worst team was the TWolves at .342 WPCT)

If you look at Jordan's prime (1988-1989 through 1997-1998):

1. % of teams below .500, overall: 16 out of 29 (55.2%)

2. % of teams below .400, overall: 10 out of 29 (34.5%)

3. % of teams below .300, overall: 2 out of 29 (6.9%, Grizzlies .195 WPCT)

Most of the league was trash during Jordan's prime while the Bulls had two top ten players.. They had a talent advantage in every series. And then of course, Lebron faced like 8 finals opponents better than Jordan's best opponent (and those finals opponents were better than any team Jordan faced in the east in the 1990s).

 

[#1 pick]

Lebron hater brigade logic has always been it's better to not make finals then lose in the finals. Make it make sense.

It doesn't. Making the finals is extremely valuable but when you are sold MJ is your goat, you put things MJ is on top of on a pedestal

 

[#1 pick]

So you determine if a team is “good” or not by what Vegas says ? Oh ok. Anything to make them Bron L’s feel better to you I guess.

The Cavs weren’t stacked ? WHAT ? Ok.

The Miami Heat weren’t elite ? Ok.

And if Brons teams aren’t ever elite, why is that ? Why is it that GMs have to consistently move heaven and earth for Bron to compete. He’s played with more talent than Jordan ever did, and with that most recent trade … I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s had over 200 different teammates his whole career

Knicks were not the most feared team in the early 90s… what the fukk are you talking about ?

Bron playing with washed guys ? AD and Westbrook were not washed …What are you talking about ? Melo and Rondo off the bench … the team was “favored” for a reason.

Lebron wasn’t bad in 07 ?

Shooting 35 percent, 20 from 3 isn’t bad ? Ok. Did you watch that series ?

Terrible sentence, favorite just ain't something Vegas throws out there. It's actually tangible

No, they weren't stacked. They were very talented but wasn't stacked. Barely had a defender outside of Bron.

For one season, they were elite. Contenders for three seasons. That team where they beat OKC wasn't that good. Heavily depended on Bron

Well, it would be easy if like MJ, Bron had seven straight seasons of one or multiple top 11 picks to build around his strengths and cover his weaknesses like Krause had with MJ. But Bron only had one top 11 pick in his first seven seasons while in Cleveland. He played in a way better era than MJ trash ass era. What matters is the talent he played with compared to the comp. Bron wasn't on more stacked teams than his which MJ was throughout the 90s.

They was the most physical team by a mile emulating Detroit. Even MJ and Pat will tell you themselves.

I didn't say AD was washed. A vast majority of those all stars ya'll love to push were washed like Westbrook, Shaq, and many others.

He played all but 22 mins and put up solid raw numbers. They were in a complete mismatch against an elite team. They were lucky to be there as Bron beat an excellent Pistons team, by himself. Even when you talk, you gotta praise the path.

 

[Jazzy B.]

Calling a nikka with 4 rings and 10 finals appearances a loser, is straight up hating. Who is your GOAT basketball player?

Here we go with the participation stuff, ol "he got to 10 finals" and... he's lost more than half of them while being on super teams .

Meanwhile the actual GOAT reached 6 finals. Won EVERY TIME. And was the FMVP EVERY TIME.

 

[#1 pick]

Here we go with the participation stuff, ol "he got to 10 finals" and... he's lost more than half of them while being on super teams .

Meanwhile the actual GOAT reached 6 finals. Won EVERY TIME. And was the FMVP EVERY TIME.

Making the NBA finals ain't a participation trophy. You gotta be elite or have someone carrying that's elite to get there

 

[FlexPavilion]

I was there love MJ (pause)….. but he was gettin smacked around before 92…..but his blind fans pretend it didn’t happen…

91 was the first year the Bulls weren’t the underdogs. 1990 they took Detroit to 7 games. 89 they were the 6th seed and upset Cleveland with Jordan’s game winning shot.

When MJ lost (as the underdog), he got better. When Bron lost as the FAVORITE, he dipped to join someone else’s team.

 

[ItWasWritten]

SRS is silly metric to use when comparing across eras, a team like the 1996 Sonics has a high SRS by virtue of being a 60 win team when they wouldn't win 60 games in any other era.

The reality is that Jordan played in the weakest era in NBA history. The league expanded six times in seven years during Jordan's prime vs. one time in Lebron's 20 year career. The result-



Most of the league was trash during Jordan's prime while the Bulls had two top ten players.. They had a talent advantage in every series. And then of course, Lebron faced like 8 finals opponents better than Jordan's best opponent (and those finals opponents were better than any team Jordan faced in the east in the 1990s).

Sonics wouldn’t win 60 games in any other era … You know this how ? SRS (while not perfect) literally takes into account strength of schedule …

I seen with my own eyes Mike carry a limping and bad back Pippen who could hardly move across 2 finals and playoff series … Pip was also not a top ten player all of Jordan’s prime (which starred in 87, not 89) 91-96 … ok


Lebrons Teams save for 07 were all better built teams too, y’all always leave out who HE was playing with. 2017-2019 Warriors never happen if he doesn’t go to the Heat. Cause and effect.

 

[#1 pick]

91 was the first year the Bulls weren’t the underdogs. 1990 they took Detroit to 7 games. 89 they were the 6th seed and upset Cleveland with Jordan’s game winning shot.

When MJ lost (as the underdog), he got better. When Bron lost as the FAVORITE, he dipped to join someone else’s team.

Bron was only favored twice with Miami. The 7-game series win against SA and the series against Dallas.

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