Thought bron was gaining on the goat but it’s not close

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91 was the first year the Bulls weren’t the underdogs. 1990 they took Detroit to 7 games. 89 they were the 6th seed and upset Cleveland with Jordan’s game winning shot.

When MJ lost (as the underdog), he got better. When Bron lost as the FAVORITE, he dipped to join someone else’s team.

The 1990 bulls were better than any team Lebron ever had in Cleveland….. and no matter how we shake it Mike was getting sent home. Now I’ll take some flack about the mavericks, but really that’s about it, everyone else Bron played or lost to was better than who MJ saw in the finals aside from maybe the Suns wit Dan and Chuck…and they were pretenders fr. I think OKC wit Durant and Westbrook were better than some of the comp MJ faced.

Bron dipped to someone’s team because unlike MJ who got help in the form of Pippen, Rodman, Ron Harper etc, Cleveland gave him nothing…..

 

[Osmosis]

Sonics wouldn’t win 60 games in any other era … You know this how ? SRS (while not perfect) literally takes into account strength of schedule …

I seen with my own eyes Mike carry a limping and bad back Pippen who could hardly move across 2 finals and playoff series … Pip was also not a top ten player all of Jordan’s prime (which starred in 87, not 89) 91-96 … ok


Lebrons Teams save for 07 were all better built teams too, y’all always leave out who HE was playing with. 2017-2019 Warriors never happen if he doesn’t go to the Heat. Cause and effect.

Because they weren't that talented of a team. Look at the 60 win teams in the last decade and compare them to the 1996 Sonics. SRS is meaningless when comparing teams across eras. Jordan played in an era where 60% of the league was below .500, why does the strength of schedule in a weak league hold any weight? The 1996 Sonics has a higher SRS than the 2022 Celtics, 2022 Warriors, 2021 Bucks, 2016 Cavs. Is the 1996 Sonics better than any of those teams?

Pippen played and contributed in every finals and was the best #2 in the league. Jordan had Pippen while Ewing had Starks, Miller had Smits, Payton had Kemp, Drexler had Porter, Barkley had Marjerle, etc.

Better built than Jordan's teams? The Bulls won 55 games in 1994 with a guy named Pete Myers replacing Jordan. Jordan, the best player in the world, retired and his team didn't miss a beat. They were a championship contender with a GOAT sized hole in the starting lineup. That's a testament to how great of a team the Bulls were and how much of a talent advantage they had over the rest of the league. Lebron played on three teams that made the finals (2007, 2015, and 2018 Cavs) that wouldn't even make the playoffs without him.

 

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Because they weren't that talented of a team. Look at the 60 win teams in the last decade and compare them to the 1996 Sonics. SRS is meaningless when comparing teams across eras. Jordan played in an era where 60% of the league was below .500, why does the strength of schedule in a weak league hold any weight? The 1996 Sonics has a higher SRS than the 2022 Celtics, 2022 Warriors, 2021 Bucks, 2016 Cavs. Is the 1996 Sonics better than any of those teams?

Pippen played and contributed in every finals and was the best #2 in the league. Jordan had Pippen while Ewing had Starks, Miller had Smits, Payton had Kemp, Drexler had Porter, Barkley had Marjerle, etc.

Better built than Jordan's teams? The Bulls won 55 games in 1994 with a guy named Pete Myers replacing Jordan. Jordan, the best player in the world, retired and his team didn't miss a beat. They were a championship contender with a GOAT sized hole in the starting lineup. That's a testament to how great of a team the Bulls were and how much of a talent advantage they had over the rest of the league. Lebron played on three teams that made the finals (2007, 2015, and 2018 Cavs) that wouldn't even make the playoffs without him.

Facts

 

[ItWasWritten]

Terrible sentence, favorite just ain't something Vegas throws out there. It's actually tangible

No, they weren't stacked. They were very talented but wasn't stacked. Barely had a defender outside of Bron.

For one season, they were elite. Contenders for three seasons. That team where they beat OKC wasn't that good. Heavily depended on Bron

Well, it would be easy if like MJ, Bron had seven straight seasons of one or multiple top 11 picks to build around his strengths and cover his weaknesses like Krause had with MJ. But Bron only had one top 11 pick in his first seven seasons while in Cleveland. He played in a way better era than MJ trash ass era. What matters is the talent he played with compared to the comp. Bron wasn't on more stacked teams than his which MJ was throughout the 90s.

They was the most physical team by a mile emulating Detroit. Even MJ and Pat will tell you themselves.

I didn't say AD was washed. A vast majority of those all stars ya'll love to push were washed like Westbrook, Shaq, and many others.

He played all but 22 mins and put up solid raw numbers. They were in a complete mismatch against an elite team. They were lucky to be there as Bron beat an excellent Pistons team, by himself. Even when you talk, you gotta praise the path.

Top 11 picks ? This is not the nfl where the draft is deep through 4 rounds …. Once again what are you talking about

Stars we love to push ? When Westbrook and Melo signed to the lakers the Vegas odds you love so much had them winning the chip. Westbrook just had come off another triple double season … but I guess he’s washed since that season was a fail .. so do the Vegas odds matter or not ? …

A physical team does not equal most feared , nobody was shook of no fukking Knicks. The little respect that team had came from what Riley did in the 80s with the Lakers.

Solid raw numbers ? Are we now giving star players extra credit for playing a lot of minutes ? Man What ? It’s not like they got ran off the court , all those games were close. He got outplayed by Tony Parker. The Cavs could have made the series interesting if Bron wasn’t shook.

Whatever

 

[FlexPavilion]

The 1990 bulls were better than any team Lebron ever had in Cleveland….. and no matter how we shake it Mike was getting sent home. Now I’ll take some flack about the mavericks, but really that’s about it, everyone else Bron played or lost to was better than who MJ saw in the finals aside from maybe the Suns wit Dan and Chuck…and they were pretenders fr. I think OKC wit Durant and Westbrook were better than some of the comp MJ faced.

Bron dipped to someone’s team because unlike MJ who got help in the form of Pippen, Rodman, Ron Harper etc, Cleveland gave him nothing…..

Nah, there’s no excuse for joining someone else’s team when you’re the best player in the league.

Also, you Bron stans love to rewrite history. 2009 Cavs were neck and neck with the Lakers as the best team in the league. Them loosing to Orlando was embarrassing. Nike had a whole ad campaign for a Kobe vs. LeBron finals.

If the 1990 Bulls were as good as you say they were, that proves the league was much tougher in Jordan’s era.

It doesn’t matter how good or bad you think LeBron’s competition was. His Cleveland teams in 2009/2010 were the top seed in the eastern conference and they lost while having home court advantage. But it was teammate’s fault, right?

 

[Mister Terrific]

Nah, there’s no excuse for joining someone else’s team when you’re the best player in the league.

Also, you Bron stans love to rewrite history. 2009 Cavs were neck and neck with the Lakers as the best team in the league. Them loosing to Orlando was embarrassing. Nike had a whole ad campaign for a Kobe vs. LeBron finals.

If the 1990 Bulls were as good as you say they were, that proves the league was much tougher in Jordan’s era.

It doesn’t matter how good or bad you think LeBron’s competition was. His Cleveland teams in 2009/2010 were the top seed in the eastern conference and they lost while having home court advantage. But it was teammate’s fault, right?

Lebron averaged nearly 40 points 8 rebounds and 8 assists per game on near 50% shooting. He balled out in nearly each 4th quarter including making free throws down 2 to send to overtime and a game winner. He put Dwight Howard in foul trouble several time and was Cleveland’s best interior and exterior defender with several block shots on Dwight Howard.

What exactly should Lebron have done differently in that series in your opinion?

 

[Miggs]

2011 Finals and his win % in the finals will never allow him to leap MJ...

 

[FlexPavilion]

Lebron averaged nearly 40 points 8 rebounds and 8 assists per game on near 50% shooting. He balled out in nearly each 4th quarter including making free throws down 2 to send to overtime and a game winner. He put Dwight Howard in foul trouble several time and was Cleveland’s best interior and exterior defender with several block shots on Dwight Howard.

What exactly should Lebron have done differently in that series in your opinion?

I’ll give you that for 2009. There’s no way they should’ve lost that series, though. What about 2010 against Boston? I remember him struggling in those close out games.

 

[ItWasWritten]

Because they weren't that talented of a team. Look at the 60 win teams in the last decade and compare them to the 1996 Sonics. SRS is meaningless when comparing teams across eras. Jordan played in an era where 60% of the league was below .500, why does the strength of schedule in a weak league hold any weight? The 1996 Sonics has a higher SRS than the 2022 Celtics, 2022 Warriors, 2021 Bucks, 2016 Cavs. Is the 1996 Sonics better than any of those teams?

Pippen played and contributed in every finals and was the best #2 in the league. Jordan had Pippen while Ewing had Starks, Miller had Smits, Payton had Kemp, Drexler had Porter, Barkley had Marjerle, etc.

Better built than Jordan's teams? The Bulls won 55 games in 1994 with a guy named Pete Myers replacing Jordan. Jordan, the best player in the world, retired and his team didn't miss a beat. They were a championship contender with a GOAT sized hole in the starting lineup. That's a testament to how great of a team the Bulls were and how much of a talent advantage they had over the rest of the league. Lebron played on three teams that made the finals (2007, 2015, and 2018 Cavs) that wouldn't even make the playoffs without him.

You sitting here arguing 2 different players, who play very differently, were in different systems, and had different teams, and completely different eras … but you’re ok to use all your talking points in that regard … but SRS doesn’t matter ?

Anyway,

The 1994 Bulls were not a championship contender. Stop.

55 wins. Regular season wins are not the measurement of success. Why are y’all so fixated on that season. Most of that 93 chip team returned, they added Kukoc. Still had Pippen. They won a nice 55 games then got sent home. Nobody remembers or cares.

Bulls won 57 games in 93, Suns won 62. They lost. In this league it’s what you do in the playoffs that matter.

Pip missed half the 98 season, and when he came back was never right.

Bulls won 60 something games, still a top defense MJ wins mvp.. why is this never mentioned ? Because in the end it doesn’t matter. Especially in that era. It’s only NOW all this extra shyt has become a talking point. Did you win or not.

Finals Appearances and all other corny new age shyt y’all bring up never mattered in basketball, shyt started with Bron stans to excuse his failures.

Pip was horrendous in 96 finals, injured in 97 and 98 … Mike brought it home. It wasn’t like they were steamrolling beating teams by 30 every outing. Y’all making it seem like those Bulls teams were 2017 Warrior level, why watch you know how this ends… this was not the case.

Besides 07, those other bron teams make the playoffs. Kyrie and Love and those role players can make a 7-8 seed.

2018, after that whole roster dump all I heard was how much better the cavs got. And that they were now favored to get out the east, it’s only AFTER they got they wig split did the narrative change.

 

[NYC Rebel]

He shouldnt be praised for taking the 07 Cavs to finals or criticized for not beating the Spurs?

Lets start there

@Jazzy B. …can you address this?

 

[YakSpiller]

Where Pat Mahome SR at? Smoking on that Eagles pack

 

[Roger king]

Literally nonsense, bron is already solidly 2 all time even rob parker a notorious hater said so, one more chip and FMVP he is solidly no 1. This site is filled degenerate mj stans and bron haters up is down, down is up.

 

[fifth column]

Literally nonsense, bron is already solidly 2 all time even rob parker a notorious hater said so, one more chip and FMVP he is solidly no 1. This site is filled degenerate mj stans and bron haters up is down, down is up.

Ya mans flamed out the 1st time with the Cavs when Boston took his heart and we said keep going

Ya mans formed a Heatles super team and had a failed dynasty and we said keep going

Ya mans returned to the Cavs with another super team and let Curry and ‘em beat him in 3 out of 4 finals and we said keep going

Ya mans formed a failed super team with AD and Russ and we said keep going

We on 20 years of grading Lebron on a curve and he still can’t claim the goat spot from Mike. MJ was drafted on a shytty team, got his ass assaulted by the bad boys and stood still. I’m ready to move on

 

[Osmosis]

You sitting here arguing 2 different players, who play very differently, were in different systems, and had different teams, and completely different eras … but you’re ok to use all your talking points in that regard … but SRS doesn’t matter ?

Anyway,

The 1994 Bulls were not a championship contender. Stop.

55 wins. Regular season wins are not the measurement of success. Why are y’all so fixated on that season. Most of that 93 chip team returned, they added Kukoc. Still had Pippen. They won a nice 55 games then got sent home. Nobody remembers or cares.

Bulls won 57 games in 93, Suns won 62. They lost. In this league it’s what you do in the playoffs that matter.

Pip missed half the 98 season, and when he came back was never right.

Bulls won 60 something games, still a top defense MJ wins mvp.. why is this never mentioned ? Because in the end it doesn’t matter. Especially in that era. It’s only NOW all this extra shyt has become a talking point. Did you win or not.

Finals Appearances and all other corny new age shyt y’all bring up never mattered in basketball, shyt started with Bron stans to excuse his failures.

Pip was horrendous in 96 finals, injured in 97 and 98 … Mike brought it home. It wasn’t like they were steamrolling beating teams by 30 every outing. Y’all making it seem like those Bulls teams were 2017 Warrior level, why watch you know how this ends… this was not the case.

Besides 07, those other bron teams make the playoffs. Kyrie and Love and those role players can make a 7-8 seed.

2018, after that whole roster dump all I heard was how much better the cavs got. And that they were now favored to get out the east, it’s only AFTER they got they wig split did the narrative change.

Clearly ya'll are the ones that want to make the comparison, every Jordan/Bron thread is created by insecure Jordan stans who post about Bron more than the cats that like him. The fact remains though, Jordan played in the weakest era in NBA history. That's indisputable.

That Bulls team won 55 games and went 7 against the eventual conference champs. You acting like they flamed out in the first round Jordan stans love the Kukoc excuse. Kukoc was a rookie, how does he account for losing the GOAT? The Bulls went down to the wire in a game 7 against the Knicks without Jordan. Pippen didn't even have a Pippen, the Bulls win a championship that season if Pippen has an all-NBA sidekick just like Jordan did.

2015 Cavs didn't have Kyrie for much of the playoffs and Love missed the entirety of the playoffs. The 2015 Cavs that Bron played most of the playoffs with doesn't make the playoffs without him. That 2018 still made the finals, of course they lost to one of the GOAT teams.. it was Bron with no all-stars vs. the monstars. Both the 2015 and 2018 Cavs beat 60 win teams in the East but ya'll love to talk about how trash the East was. Why isn't that logic extended to MJ's Bulls beating up on weak 60 win teams?

 

[MrLogic]

Lebron wouldn't do this


so he is cool in my book