Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

[Opus]

What does that have to do with blacks robbing and killing each other and black men and women being unable to form cohesive families? Are they retaliating with mind control?

Blacks a committing detrimental act toward each other and themselves because we're attaining more?

I know you're mad because you're using faces now. Murder rates down, teen pregnancy is down, incarceration rates down, poverty rates, also, down. Only thing that's not is marriage and family and divorce and single parenting is up across the board. If you're going to make correlation equal causation at least make your operating factor have a strong nexus to whatever phenomena you're explaining. Like dude why would you blame welfare over the feminist movement when it comes to family and marriage? Especially when that is an issue for every race, and every race is experiencing familial issues, and apparantly welfare is not.

 

[TRY GOD]

A higher proportion of blacks are on welfare than whites, sir.

Black people are 13% of the population. White people are 77% of the population according to the US census.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

What proportions are you comparing exactly? Because any proportion of 13% is still smaller than 77% if you know how math works.


Now go back and hide in the darkness and not be seen, but before you go, Here, Hold this

 

[ignorethis]

Safer and decent during jim crow? Whats next, are you going to make an argument that blacks were better off during chattel slavery and as property because they had a much higher employment rate then versus now?

Try these statistics on for size...Black families had much higher rates of wedlock back then versus now, and yet the black poverty rate (before great society initiatives) was about double what it is now. So even with two parents in the household, black people were far poorer then, which shows how dire the black family was and how a two parent household aint shyt if you have an economic system that undermines and robs them of opportunity and prosperity.

Talking about crime in comparison with that time period versus today obviously ignores the post-60s developments of an increase in population, crack epidemic, the prison industrial complex, blacks quarantined in densely urban centers communities of decay, proliferation of guns readily available, etc...variables not present during the early-to-mid 20th century. Plus the out-of-wedlock rate has moved upwards cross-racially...the devaluation of marriage is an American cultural issue, and know that the out-of-wedlock rate for blacks was always abnormally high even during the latter stages of the jim crow era when these metrics were measured.

Stop with the racist argument that blacks were better under jim crow terrorism. The crime rates in black communities have been in a free fall since the 90s....how do you address this?

Already stated in this thread that Jim Crow played a big part, but you're ignoring the fact that even after Jim Crow, black poverty rate barely budged in relation to the national average. Jim Crow is gone and blacks have barley progressed in terms of poverty and social mobility? I would assume that their is a variable working against any possible progress, I doubt it's racism because that is something that is a constant throughout the 1900s to now (in fact that has probably decreased as well)

The out of wedlock has move up within all racially group but it moved up the most in blacks, and it's not a small difference.

Black are underachieving in our current conditions, relative to the conditions blacks of the past faced, and you guys want to pretend everything is all good on our end and it can't be because of internal problems.

 

[William F. Russell]

I work with welfare and....those days indeed are gone! Being on welfare is a job now. Recepients have to volunteer for 30-40 hours per week. All for let's say a household of 3....$303 dollars per month.

Foodstamps....maybe 450. Section 8 and hud are trippin, can't count on that anymore. These mothers are now homeless!

That's not living the life. Wtf can you do with 300 per month?

You can't get something for nothing...

 

[William F. Russell]

Safer and decent during jim crow? Whats next, are you going to make an argument that blacks were better off during chattel slavery and as property because they had a much higher employment rate then versus now?

Try these statistics on for size...Black families had much higher rates of wedlock back then versus now, and yet the black poverty rate (before great society initiatives) was about double what it is now. So even with two parents in the household, black people were far poorer then, which shows how dire the black family was and how a two parent household aint shyt if you have an economic system that undermines and robs them of opportunity and prosperity.

Talking about crime in comparison with that time period versus today obviously ignores the post-60s developments of an increase in population, crack epidemic, the prison industrial complex, blacks quarantined in densely urban centers communities of decay, proliferation of guns readily available, etc...variables not present during the early-to-mid 20th century. Plus the out-of-wedlock rate has moved upwards cross-racially...the devaluation of marriage is an American cultural issue, and know that the out-of-wedlock rate for blacks was always abnormally high even during the latter stages of the jim crow era when these metrics were measured.

Stop with the racist argument that blacks were better under jim crow terrorism. The crime rates in black communities have been in a free fall since the 90s....how do you address this?

Put words in people's mouths and argue against them brehs...

 

[havoc]

another reason to cut it.

whites act like blacks are the only ones on the shyt, with our small ass population. when there's entire white towns on welfare. i'd love to see what would happen to those poor hardline conservatives once the lake dries up.

That will be start of a real revolution against the rich and the government. White folks will come out with the guns, pitch forks, and broken bottles to protect their benefits

 

[Opus]

Already stated in this thread that Jim Crow played a big part, but you're ignoring the fact that even after Jim Crow, black poverty rate barely budged in relation to the national average. Jim Crow is gone and blacks have barley progressed in terms of poverty and social mobility? I would assume that their is a variable working against any possible progress, I doubt it's racism because that is something that is a constant throughout the 1900s to now (in fact that has probably decreased as well)

The out of wedlock has move up within all racially group but it moved up the most in blacks, and it's not a small difference.

Black are underachieving in our current conditions, relative to the conditions blacks of the past faced, and you guys want to pretend everything is all good on our end and it can't be because of internal problems.

Racism is down? Lol Am I debating a cac?

Racism is never going anywhere. It just gets deeper embedded and becomes more sophisticated. Wow can't believe I just read that.

 

[Opus]

Welfare could be fixed rather eadily, and I'm not a genius, so I know the solution is over looked on purpose.

It's overlooked because it would advance people on welfare too fast.

All that's needed is a requirement that anyone on welfare must be enrolled in vocational skill training or some other secondary educational institution.

Coupled with a requirement for the kids to maintain say a C grade point average.

This would enable welfare cases to exit welfare with a skill that could carry them and pos Sibley education. The kids would also be on track to continue their education.

It's set up the way it is because the welfare people are designated to be the base if this pyramid. Throw in that there's not enough JOBS to employ all those people if they obtained the skills.

Dirty little secret is people on welfare have more certs than your average coli nikka. Food handlers cert, child care license, medical billing, hospitality industry training yadi yadi ya.

Alot of worthwhile certs you're dinged for having a record off rip.

@acewonders @SuperCoolP_Cal

Let's talk about the school to prison pipeline where 70 percent of blacks with cell phones get suspended but 25 percent of whites with cell phones get suspended. Where blacks get locked up as children for petty shyt and whites get suspended. Why in wake county nc 29 percent of students are black but 80 percent of those arrested are black. Arrested for same shyt that get white kids suspended. Talk about how a study of caregivers which observed black and white toddlers engaging in similar innocuous play activities by trained care givers ranked black kids lower in creativity and in teller intellegence and even assigned anti social values to the behaviors which were clinically the same. But no brehs, racism going away brehs. It's the fault of welfare brehs. We were better off in Jim crow brehs.

 

[William F. Russell]

Racism is down? Lol Am I debating a cac?

Racism is never going anywhere. It just gets deeper embedded and becomes more sophisticated. Wow can't believe I just read that.

He didn't say that.

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

 

[ignorethis]

I know you're mad because you're using faces now. Murder rates down, teen pregnancy is down, incarceration rates down, poverty rates, also, down. Only thing that's not is marriage and family and divorce and single parenting is up across the board. If you're going to make correlation equal causation at least make your operating factor have a strong nexus to whatever phenomena you're explaining. Like dude why would you blame welfare over the feminist movement when it comes to family and marriage? Especially when that is an issue for every race, and every race is experiencing familial issues, and apparantly welfare is not.

Those thing you mention are down not because blacks are doing better but because the nation overall is doing better

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0193727.html black teen birthrate remained roughly triple that of white teens only very recently dropping to double

Black poverty rates remained roughly triple of white poverty rates

Black incarceration rate being down is a lie, but I'll let it slide because that is something that whites play just as big a part in as blacks

only thing you had a point on was murder rates being down, but the rate of people getting shot has increased the only difference is people are more likely to survive now http://www.separatinghyperplanes.com/2013/07/can-medical-advances-explain-falling.html

Yea things got better for blacks if you look at black statistics in a vacuum, but put them into context and things have remain the same for the most part and gotten worst in some regards.

 

[ignorethis]

Racism is down? Lol Am I debating a cac?

Racism is never going anywhere. It just gets deeper embedded and becomes more sophisticated. Wow can't believe I just read that.

yes because we are obviously facing the same amount of racism blacks faced in 1954, you nikkas are happy accomplishing less with more, that's cool. Just understand not all blacks are.

 

[Opus]

yes because we are obviously facing the same amount of racism blacks faced in 1954

I think you're confusing racism with outward displays of racism friend. You still a nikka and as much of one now as you were 70 years ago

 

[havoc]

"38.8 percent of Caucasians, and 39.8 percent of African-Americans are on welfare" "more whites are on welfare" "white are the majority on welfare"


This statistic, and belief hurt my headhttp://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/who-benefits-from-the-safety-net/?_r=0... and they aren't going away I see.


It implies (actually it straight up says) that roughly 40 percent of whites are on welfare, as are roughly 40 percent of blacks. That is not accurate. "40 percent of welfare recipients are white" which a completely different proposition than "40 percent of whites are welfare recipients"
Basically, it's trying to say, "It's about even," even though it's actually nowhere close to even.
We need to understand that there is a much higher percentage of blacks on welfare than that of whites, which is belied by this statistic. It makes it seem like the problem (whatever you think the problem is, depending on your perspective) is spread evenly, when in fact it very much is not.

If we add all the government assistant programs with public housing and food stamps, then you will get a number that will represent the white people as the majority of government benefit. 69 percent of government's beneficiaries are white people. The stats don't lie, breh.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/who-benefits-from-the-safety-net/?_r=0

 

[Opus]

He didn't say that.

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

Are you being obtuse? He literally said racism has decreased and put it in paranthesis. I have it quoted friend.

 

[Dzali OG]

You can't get something for nothing...

Then people should stop crying about welfare, they're not receiving anything free.