Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

[William F. Russell]

Then people should stop crying about welfare, they're not receiving anything free.

30 hours of "volunteer work" is a much lesser burden than having to work an actual job. And you know this.

 

[Barnett114]

Sorry to be mean, but people who either agree or partially agree with Sowell just arent very bright.

His premise is dysfunctional and completely incoherent. Hes taking unique historical variables specific to one group: Jim Crow and slavery, and he's conflating that with a general socio-economic variable of welfare thats available to all. And yet he considers the unique variables an "excuse" for consumption of the general variable, without measuring its explanatory, response value, or interactions. It would be like saying people who use canes are lazier than people who dont have to use canes, w/o further explanation, when the former had their eyes gouged out.

@Scientific Playa beat me to it. Redlining was a policy designed specifically to destroy the economic potential and stability of black neighborhoods, so we're not talking capitalism anymore but sabotage. Neighborhoods were no go zones for lending or investment...you couldnt get insurance for a business, and you couldnt obtain mortgages on homes. Businesses moved, Renters bounced to places they could buy, and landlords became slumlords. Black neighborhoods became jobless hellholes: enter welfare.

In the 1950s, statistical and observational analysis predicted these problems. Empiricists understood that imaginative policies against blacks, both public and private, were designed to isolate and economically depress black people suppressing mobility and growth.

I could write a novel on this, but first no one would read it here, and why do so when Sowell is a noted liar, and only produces works designed to continue antebellum narratives against blacks that have been transmitted and have survived from generation to generation. Racist notions of blacks being lazy and dumb dont die, they modify.

 

[ignorethis]

I think you're confusing racism with outward displays of racism friend. You still a nikka and as much of one now as you were 70 years ago

There is a big difference in being denied employment due one racist HR dude and being denied employment due to systematic rule of law. One is way worst than the other we can agree

 

[havoc]

Black people are 13% of the population. White people are 77% of the population according to the US census.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

What proportions are you comparing exactly? Because any proportion of 13% is still smaller than 77% if you know how math works.


Now go back and hide in the darkness and not be seen, but before you go, Here, Hold this

White people make up 64 percent of the share population in the US. 77 percent is way off, breh.

 

[ignorethis]

nikkas really arguing that destruction of the black family structure has nothing to do with the conditions blacks find themselves in today

Ya'll are completely content with failing policies and losing strategies. Consequences of a fatherless generation.

 

[DEAD7]

If we add all the government assistant programs with public housing and food stamps, then you will get a number that will represent the white people as the majority of government benefit. 69 percent of government's beneficiaries are white people. The stats don't lie, breh.
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/13/who-benefits-from-the-safety-net/?_r=0

really breh?









I meant it, these statistics really do make my head hurt.
How about you try focusing on the last part of what I said... really think about what I'm saying here.

It makes it seem like the problem (whatever you think the problem is, depending on your perspective) is spread evenly, when in fact it very much is not.

 

[Opus]

There is a big difference in being denied employment due one racist HR dude and being denied employment due to systematic rule of law. One is way worst than the other we can agree

Ones dejure and ones defacto. In affect it's the same. But I'm not sure what you're getting act. Ability to openly act out racism is not determinitive of racism. Like before an HR guy could say no blacks, and today he can literally say I didn't like the color of his tie. What's the Gotdamn difference? There are laws but they aren't bulletproof. And even if they grant some opportunity it is insidious in that it's convinced some people the devil doesn't exist. Maybe that's the problem and not welfare (I'm just going to keep pulling correlation equals causation premises out my ass like Sowell)

 

[DEAD7]

Ones dejure and ones defacto. In affect it's the same.

 

[Opus]

nikkas really arguing that destruction of the black family structure has nothing to do with the conditions blacks find themselves in today

Ya'll are completely content with failing policies and losing strategies. Consequences of a fatherless generation.

I'm not arguing that. I'm not ready to pin it on welfare to the exclusion of other variables. That's dangerous because if you think stopping welfare fixes shyt what happens when you stop welfare and it doesn't fix shyt because you got all this other crap going on. You just made shyt worse and increased suffering ten fold.

 

[ignorethis]

Ones dejure and ones defacto. In affect it's the same. But I'm not sure what you're getting act. Ability to openly act out racism is not determinitive of racism. Like before an HR guy could say no blacks, and today he can literally say I didn't like the color of his tie. What's the Gotdamn difference? There are laws but they aren't bulletproof. And even if they grant some opportunity it is insidious in that it's convinced some people the devil doesn't exist. Maybe that's the problem and not welfare (I'm just going to keep pulling correlation equals causation premises out my ass like Sowell)

And I guess the Equal Opportunity Employment/ Civil Rights Acts never happened, or any of the executive orders laws that allowed blacks to make biggest leeway in public sector employment like education, medical, and postal(one of the largest employers of blacks in the nation).

You're forgetting that there have been laws passed that literally say public sector employers have to have a workforce resembling local demographics, and this has led to a increase in black wages and employment?

But we have it just as bad as blacks in 1954

 

[ignorethis]

I'm not arguing that. I'm not ready to pin it on welfare to the exclusion of other variables. That's dangerous because if you think stopping welfare fixes shyt what happens when you stop welfare and it doesn't fix shyt because you got all this other crap going on. You just made shyt worse and increased suffering ten fold.

You haven't provided another variable though, so you're attacking this idea without providing a solid alternative which is lazy.

 

[Opus]

And I guess the Equal Opportunity Employment Act never happened, the one law that allowed blacks to make biggest leeway in public sector employment like education, medical, and postal(one of the largest employers of blacks in the nation).

You're forgetting that there have been laws passed that literally say public sector employers have to have a workforce resembling local demographics, and this has led to a increase in black wages and employment?

But we have it just as bad as black in 1954

Show me that law. Quotas are illegal friend. And like I said, any opportunity gained is offset by the insidious nature of convincing people the devil does not exist. And think about it for a second, why does there even need to be laws to combat racism if it doesn't exist? You say it's decreasing lol...they gonna trick you into pitching those laws eventually. Already happened to the Voting Rights Act

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

nikkas really arguing that destruction of the black family structure has nothing to do with the conditions blacks find themselves in today

Ya'll are completely content with failing policies and losing strategies. Consequences of a fatherless generation.

We're saying if destruction of the black family is a main result of conditions blacks find themselves in today, then we, as a society, have to understand and diagnosis what attributed to the destruction of the black family in the first place.

 

[Opus]

You haven't provided another variable though, so you're attacking this idea without providing a solid alternative which is lazy.

I've offered 3, do you not read my posts?

1. Increased racism/backlash because black people are stepping out of our place into homes, colleges, and high government offices.

2. Feminist movement.

3. School to prison pipeline and creating generations of un employable men
School to prison pipeline

 

[ignorethis]

Show me that law. Quotas are illegal friend. And like I said, any opportunity gained is offset by the insidious nature of convincing people the devil does not exist. And think about it for a second, why does there even need to be laws to combat racism if it doesn't exist? You say it's decreasing lol...they gonna trick you into pitching those laws eventually. Already happened to the Voting Rights Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11246
Quotas are illegal on paper, as in there are no law based "consequences" for not meeting employment goals. But best believe these laws played a part in raising black employment.