Thomas Sowell: Welfare makes excuses for things that are wrong.

[Dzali OG]

30 hours of "volunteer work" is a much lesser burden than having to work an actual job. And you know this.

Ummm....no.

30 hours of work, cleaning filthy, transient showers for $303 dollars a month? That's actually below minimum wage.

These people are working for less than minimum wage on top of facing prejudice that they receive welfare.

The days of welfare queen ended with Clinton. A job paying 8.00 per hour is 300 a week full time. 1200 per month, what sickness allows a person to think welfare is getting over?

 

[William F. Russell]

Black people are 13% of the population. White people are 77% of the population according to the US census.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

What proportions are you comparing exactly? Because any proportion of 13% is still smaller than 77% if you know how math works.


Now go back and hide in the darkness and not be seen, but before you go, Here, Hold this

Wrong and wrong.

As noted before, whites make up 64% of the population.

Moreover, a higher proportion of blacks in our community are on welfare than whites in their community. Yes, whites make up the majority (?) of people on welfare (and more than blacks) but that's mainly due to the fact that there way more whites in the US than blacks.

How you CANNOT comprehend this is beyond me.

 

[ignorethis]

I've offered 3, do you not read my posts?

1. Increased racism/backlash because black people are stepping out of our place into homes, colleges, and high government offices.

2. Feminist movement.

3. School to prison pipeline and creating generations of un employable men
School to prison pipeline

1. I doubt it unless whites have figured out how to use mind control to make black families implode.

2. If you believe this then you're not disagreeing with Sowell because Sowell has stated many times that he believes liberals conduits such as feminism play a huge part in the destruction of the black families, by trying to replace the black father with government assistance. He references situations such as the Pruitt-Igoe projects were they wouldn't allow fathers to live with families on government assistance, as being the beginning of feminist-influenced government policy ostracizing the black father in favor of welfare.

"To make matters worse, the Missouri welfare department imposed strange rules on families who lived in public housing. No "able-bodied man" could be in the house if it was also occupied by a woman who received state aid for dependent children."

He has said that he believes "liberal have used the black community for decades as a Petri dish for failed social experimentation" Feminism is one of the liberal movements he indicts.

3. This plays a part but its still more a symptom rather than the catalyst.

 

[Opus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11246
Quotas are illegal on paper, as in there are no law based "consequences" for not meeting employment goals. But best believe these laws played a part in raising black employment.

Quotas are just illegal. No on paper caveat needed. And no one's saying laws didn't provide opportunity, I've ceded that. But this notion that laws also changed the hearts and minds of people and decreased racism, is what I'm having trouble with. I could hire you and pay you millions a year and be racist as fukk towards you, see Donald Sterling. In as much the mere hiring makes certain nikkas put their guards down, it's a curse as much as a blessing. Because all these laws you're talking about presume a racist society. Judges have written time lines in many of the opinions justifying these laws. Think racism is going away if you want, those laws will be going away too.

 

[Opus]

1. I doubt it unless whites have figured out how to use mind control to make black families implode.

2. If you believe this then you're not disagreeing with Sowell because Sowell has stated many times that he believes liberals conduits such as feminism play a huge part in the destruction of the black families, by trying to replace the black father with government assistance. He references situations such as the Pruitt-Igoe projects were they wouldn't allow fathers to live with families on government assistance, as being the beginning of feminist-influenced government policy ostracizing the black father in favor of welfare.



He has said that he believes "liberal have used the black community for decades as a Petri dish for failed social experimentation" Feminism is one of the liberal movements he indicts.

3. This plays a part but its still more a symptom rather than the catalyst.

Well done in acknowledging I've offered alternatives. As for your casual dismissal of 3, I just can't right now. But carry on. Number 2, Sowell's onto something. And may even be on to something with welfare, but I'd be much more comfy if we go after the people more able to handle paradigm shifts first before we go after low man on the totem pole since you've now granted there are other factors at play beyond welfare.

 

[Kings County]

Welfare is a drop in the fukkin bucket yo.
A program largely utilized by poor white people.

You want to help people get on their feet?
Cut back the 700 billion dollar spending each year toward the military and invest that money into schools, manufacturing, infrastructure and social programs that keep kids out of boredom and trouble so they develop skills and get interested in shyt that might propel them to lucrative careers.

Motherfukkers.

where them military people gon work ? creates an umemployment problem

 

[ignorethis]

Quotas are just illegal. No on paper caveat needed. And no one's saying laws didn't provide opportunity, I've ceded that. But this notion that laws also changed the hearts and minds of people and decreased racism, is what I'm having trouble with. I could hire you and pay you millions a year and be racist as fukk towards you, see Donald Sterling. In as much the mere hiring makes certain nikkas put their guards down, it's a curse as much as a blessing. Because all these laws you're talking about presume a racist society. Judges have written time lines in many of the opinions justifying these laws. Think racism is going away if you want, those laws will be going away too.

You're not saying anything that I don't already accept, but you're purposely avoiding answering the main question, it's much better to be living in a nation were the government at least is taking precautions to curb racism, vs. a nation were the government is turning a blind eye to racism or worst openly enabling it? Correct?

We don't face less racism than blacks of the past in that regard?

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

I concretely agree with that stance on welfare and share that sentiment. As a product of that, I witness the vicious generational cycles.

Have a bunch of kids outside of wedlock, get rewarded a subsidized home. Kids have a better chance at life with both parents home but they're not allowed to have a man in the home.

History proves our ancestors were less reliant on other people than now. I am at work but I could go down the line on this.

 

[Remote]

where them military people gon work ? creates an umemployment problem

So you're admitting that the military is largely just a federal jobs program?

Very few are that forthcoming

 

[ignorethis]

Well done in acknowledging I've offered alternatives. As for your casual dismissal of 3, I just can't right now. But carry on. Number 2, Sowell's onto something. And may even be on to something with welfare, but I'd be much more comfy if we go after the people more able to handle paradigm shifts first before we go after low man on the totem pole since you've now granted there are other factors at play beyond welfare.

That's the problem I had with your initial response though because you closed your post with an ad hominem attack on Sowell, claiming him to be intellectually dishonest when you actually agree with some of the points he makes in his works and didn't know because you already formed a negative opinion on him. Which is something a lot of blacks do when it comes to black conservatives.

And I stand by black males in prison being more of a symptom of broke black families than the core catalyst, at most I would say its a key part of the cycle now, but it wasn't the catalyst.

 

[DEAD7]

Wrong and wrong.

As noted before, whites make up 64% of the population.

Moreover, a higher proportion of blacks in our community are on welfare than whites in their community. Yes, whites make up the majority (?) of people on welfare (and more than blacks) but that's mainly due to the fact that there way more whites in the US than blacks.

How you CANNOT comprehend this is beyond me.

Just give it up breh. Not everyone is ready to be unplugged...

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

how the fukk is this even possible? Slavery literally broke up black families by having different members sold to different slave owners on a regular basis. Do you guys fact check anything? My god

Lol...this Acewonders guy was trying to tell me that right wing economic policies have benefited the white middle and working class, and blamed stagnant wages and job losses for white people over the past 35 years on "liberal ideologues" yesterday. I ended the conversation and instantly added him to the mental list of people to not take seriously or respond to in the future.

 

[Kings County]

So you're admitting that the military is largely just a federal jobs program?

Very few are that forthcoming

it is fukk u mean who didnt know that

 

[ignorethis]

 

[TRY GOD]

Wrong and wrong.

As noted before, whites make up 64% of the population.

Moreover, a higher proportion of blacks in our community are on welfare than whites in their community. Yes, whites make up the majority (?) of people on welfare (and more than blacks) but bu bu bu ....

The link I posted Directly from the US Census Bureau, a population survey conducted by the Government, (notice the .gov domain name, which indicates government oriented content) states people who claim to be white, as of 2013, make up 77% of the population.

What YOU are talking about are People who are White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, which your percentage is completely WRONG, at 62%.

so 77% OF PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE WHITE make up the Majority of the U.S population.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE PROVIDE A LINK FROM THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT SAYING CRACKERS ARE AT 64%

secondly You ADMIT THAT I AM RIGHT THAT MORE CRACKERS ON ARE ON WELFARE than Blacks. Your point is irrelevant to the point that Welfare is a problem in the black community. Like you admit in your post, WHITES MAKE UP A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ON WELFARE, If anything, it's a problem in the CRACKER COMMUNITY.