This is war (NSFW)

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We should bring back the draft. Lotta war cheerleaders would think twice if they knew they or their families could be drafted. Looking at you @88m3

The people who have power in society and carry the pompoms usually have the means to escape the draft. Even if they can't get a deferment, they get assigned to non-combat roles.

 

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@Robbie3000

It was 1959 when dikk Cheney, then a student at Yale University, turned 18 and became eligible for the draft.

Eventually, like 16 million other young men of that era, Mr. Cheney sought deferments. By the time he turned 26 in January 1967 and was no longer eligible for the draft, he had asked for and received five deferments, four because he was a student and one for being a new father.

Although President Richard M. Nixon stopped the draft in 1973 and the war itself ended 29 years ago on Friday, the issue of service remains a personally sensitive and politically potent touchstone in the biographies of many politicians from that era.

For much of Mr. Cheney's political career, his deferments have largely been a nonissue.

In an increasingly vituperative political campaign, Mr. Cheney this week again questioned the credentials of Senator John Kerry and his ability to be commander in chief. Mr. Kerry, who was decorated in Vietnam and has made his service there a central element of his campaign, fired back.

Putting Mr. Cheney's record in the spotlight, Mr. Kerry said that he "got every deferment in the world and decided he had better things to do."

 

[88m3]

We should bring back the draft. Lotta war cheerleaders would think twice if they knew they or their families could be drafted. Looking at you @88m3

I'm all for reinstating the draft, it would give kids today something to look forward to at least.

 

[the next guy]

The people who have power in society and carry the pompoms usually have the means to escape the draft. Even if they can't get a deferment, they get assigned to non-combat roles.

We should bring back the draft. Lotta war cheerleaders would think twice if they knew they or their families could be drafted. Looking at you @88m3

I have to agree with this. And no deferments. War or Jail. Your choice.

 

[usopp]

Oh fukk. Was she still alive? I swear I saw her mouth move.

Btw, I get the point of your thread. That was just shocking.

Her nerves are still active even after death

 

[NZA]

the scary thing is guys like john mccain. they are not chickenhawks or draft dogers and still love any and every war you put in front of them.

 

[88m3]

the scary thing is guys like john mccain. they are not chickenhawks or draft dogers and still love any and every war you put in front of them.

sometimes war is necessary

 

[jackswstd]

Nothing gets to me more than seeing dead children. That was brutal to watch I'm gonna have trouble sleeping tonight.

 

[NZA]

sometimes war is necessary

true, but this one does us no good. call me selfish, but america is arguing about whether or not it should take decent care of its own citizens and infrastructure, at a time like this we dont need to devote any expensive munitions or soldier's lives to a country that has little to no economic or strategic benefit to us.

 

[the next guy]

sometimes war is necessary

War is never necessary. Killing people is never necessary. No matter who or what they are.

 

[88m3]

true, but this one does us no good. call me selfish, but america is arguing about whether or not it should take decent care of its own citizens and infrastructure, at a time like this we dont need to devote any expensive munitions or soldier's lives to a country that has little to no economic or strategic benefit to us.

No.

 

[88m3]

War is never necessary. Killing people is never necessary. No matter who or what they are.

I disagree in the strongest way possible. That's my opinion.

At this stage we can't progress without war and violence it's a means to an end.

 

[Nasty_Nate]

Man, I've seen some much shyt that I couldn't really process it until much later. The worst involved children, but not just the deaths though. What keeps me up at night sometimes is just remembering the look on their faces. Seeing some of those young kids just look at you, not with hatred or admiration of any sort, but confusion and sadness. It's like they were looking for answers and there is no answer that could ever suffice. That bothers me more than anything else.

I could write forever about some of the things I witnessed or was part of, but it's common for a lot of people in the infantry, especially the Marine Corps infantry in the Sunni Triangle from about early 2004 to late 2006. A lot of urban warfare at that place and time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Fallujah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fallujah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ramadi_(2004)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ramadi_(2006)

I totally agree with you. When did you get to Fallujah? I was at FOB St. Mere Eglise, later renamed Camp Fallujah by the USMC, with the 82nd Airborne Division during that time period. We were replaced by Marines around May 2004. I won't get into specific details, but the actions of some of my fellow Soldiers during that time and something I was forced to do myself still bother me to this day (it did not involve killing or injuring anyone, that's all I can really say). I am sitting in Zabul Province, Afghanistan right now and this is my last deployment. Most people back in the US will continue to be disilIusioned about war until they see it up close, whether it's as a member of the military, or it comes to our front porch one day. I am done with this once I get back. I'm glad I have done my 8 years and will leave without an IRR commitment.

 

[Nasty_Nate]

the scary thing is guys like john mccain. they are not chickenhawks or draft dogers and still love any and every war you put in front of them.

He was a POW, I can respect that. But he was a damn fighter pilot, he's not seeing shyt up close and personal. Colin Powell and Chuck Hagel on the other hand are a different story. That's why it bothers me so much that Colin Powell, a childhood idol of mine (I was a military brat), went along with President Bush before the Iraq invasion, even though he backtracked later. I am also disappointed in SecDef Hagel for doing the same with President Obama.

 

[thekingsmen]

I disagree in the strongest way possible. That's my opinion.

At this stage we can't progress without war and violence it's a means to an end.

Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one. Well in your case you have 2.


Only those who live off the enjoyment of destruction, exploitation and suffering of others on a wide scale make statements like your 2nd reponse.