Things Kanye West needs to quit doing at this point in his career

[Harry B]

He needs to stop all this club music. Drop GOOD music completely, a group full of fakkits minus Kanye.

Go back in the lab breh.

Yall don't know my struggle, yall cant match my hustle, you can't catch my hustle, you can't fathom my love dude...
Lock yourself in the basement making 5 beats a day for 3 summers. That's a different world like cree summers, I deserve to do these numbers.



What happened.

Common, Q-tip, Mos Def, Pusha-T, John Legend (and Kid Cudi/sean) are fakkits now .

But C/S all that club music, I'm not even hyped for the good music album New God Flow was dope, but the Khaled songs and shyt were , next please.

 

[ROFL_GUY]

He needs to stop all this club music. Drop GOOD music completely, a group full of fakkits minus Kanye.

Go back in the lab breh.

Yall don't know my struggle, yall cant match my hustle, you can't catch my hustle, you can't fathom my love dude...
Lock yourself in the basement making 5 beats a day for 3 summers. That's a different world like cree summers, I deserve to do these numbers.



What happened.

he cant rec-create that because he never made beats solo like thAT.. he has ALAWYS had a partner or team working on his "productions"

WHAT HAPPENED - his ego is out of control he thinks he can write(his rappin is ass cheeks) hit up rhymefest again... and produce SOLO which he rarely has done...

WHAT HAPPENED- his true musical "genius"( without a team of rappers writing his shyt and a team of producers workking on his beats) is finally being displayed...

 

[OG Talk]

I'm not even gonna respond to all that, I'll pick the most interesting parts.

1. C4 didn't influence people the same way C2 or Dedication 2 did. It's not always about sales. BP3 sold a lot more than WTT but besides the two first singles, it didn't have any influence on pop culture, rap culture or anything. As for Wayne, he didn't rap about Balenciaga a broad did it. It wasn't really popping for men back then, just like people been rapping about Louboutin shoes for WOMEN until Pharell, Swizz and Kanye introduced people to the male version. People been rapping about LV for a whole, but there is a reason they call Kanye the LV Don.

2. I believe I said influence is not the same thing as starting something. If that was the case Illmatic and OB4CL didn't have any influence at all. Bringing things to the forefront, making things pop, being the source of peoples reference, no one knows how a few Philly broads pronounced crazy but the whole world know how Kanye did it that is influence in term he might've been influenced by some brother from Philly he saw on youtube.

3. The thing about big duos, just sparked all types of rumors, everyone from tip/Jeezy, Drake/Ross etc started talking about doing it after being inspired by Watch The Throne. That's not a major influence, cause it's been done and discussed before, but just bringing back all these discussion was imo worth mentioning.


Again bring shyt back, making shyt hot, creating TRENDS vs someone whispering something or just mentioning it and no one caring are two very different things IMO.

What type of influence did Pac had? he didn't do shyt no one hadn't done before him. But he did it 10 times better, he made it hot, he created trends, he brought shyt back, he did it on that over level, he made people all over the world care about these points he might've heard from his uncle, clothes he might've heard Rakim mention in a interview. You need to look up the words influence & impact , cause no one has claimed Jay or Kanye were the first to do anything.

Again...

I'm talking about influence sparked from originality or within the culture...Which is part of the essense of hip hop..You are talking about attention brought to pop culture or mainstream america...The way you dismiss the "hood chicks in Philly" on some "nobody cares about them" is part of the problem.. And part of the mentality that caused Blacks to lose jazz and rock and roll....

The most popular figures will always have a broader influence based simply off of their popularity.. So in that instance you are 100% right..But to call WTT the most influential project of the last 10 years just isn't true....Culturally Trap or Die had a much bigger influence, although 45 year old soccer moms from Iowa probably don't know it existed...So it got less attention...

Here is an example of how the popularity you speak about sparks attention but not influence...

1-Some street/pimp dudes in the Bay "dust their shoulder off" in the 70's (thousands of people are influenced)

2-Rappers like E-40, B-Legit and Short talk about "dustin their shoulder off" in raps in the late 80's and early 90's (hundreds of thousands are influenced because E-40 has a larger audience than the corner pimps)

3-Jay-Z makes a song called "Dirt off your Shoulder" in 2004 (millions of people experience attention because he has a larger audience than 40)

4-Obama does the "Dirt Off You Shoulder" in that North Carolina press conference (The whole world is now has attention because his audience is in the billions)

Now you can say that Obama made "brushing your shoulder off" popular..True.. But only if you come from a perspective of someone outside of the culture from which it actually came from...

At the end of that day the influence is diluted the further and further you get away from the original source (that pimp n!gga from Oakland) And of course nobody gives a damn about him because he's not rich and popular...

The fact that Jay is the most mainstream and popular rapper (Kanye is in that conversation to) gives everything he says or does attention OUTSIDE of the culture..And by the time these things get to the masses, we as a culture have already moved on to something else..

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Andre's little speech at the end explains exactly what I'm talking about...

 

[sporticus]

He needs to drop that "Haaaaaah" shyt. Also, he can rap, but he needs to drop that weak flow and terribly forced cadence he's had for the last several years. It's not smooth.

Also, stop being an emotional ho.

 

[sporticus]

Andre's little speech at the end explains exactly what I'm talking about...

One problem though. That doesn't apply today the same way it did in the 80's, 90's or even in the early part of this century.

Rap is no longer innovative unto itself. It's barely black culture anymore. It's re-condensed and recycled back onto itself via YouTube and World Star over and over. Hell, Odd Future is a group consisting of kids who watched Cartoon Network and NWA videos on Youtube. Everything they say, they heard a rapper or actor say first. Chief Keef is a caricature from generation that grew up listening to other rappers rap about struggle. These are kids that have options yet choose to act hood because they think its cool.

How can you even trace origins anymore?

 

[William Bassington]

So we gon pretend Jay & Ye didn't jack Wayne & Drake album idea?....

 

[Statik]

he cant rec-create that because he never made beats solo like thAT.. he has ALAWYS had a partner or team working on his "productions"

WHAT HAPPENED - his ego is out of control he thinks he can write(his rappin is ass cheeks) hit up rhymefest again... and produce SOLO which he rarely has done...

WHAT HAPPENED- his true musical "genius"( without a team of rappers writing his shyt and a team of producers workking on his beats) is finally being displayed...

Him not writing his sh1t is bull.
and you yet to have evidence. and Kanye has done great amount of solo production. early career.

Why you hear if you hate Kanye and Jay? stop being a ignorant troll

 

[OG Talk]

One problem though. That doesn't apply today the same way it did in the 80's, 90's or even in the early part of this century.

Rap is no longer innovative unto itself. It's barely black culture anymore. It's re-condensed and recycled back onto itself via YouTube and World Star over and over. Hell, Odd Future is a group consisting of kids who watched Cartoon Network and NWA videos on Youtube. Everything they say, they heard a rapper or actor say first. Chief Keef is a caricature from generation that grew up listening to other rappers rap about struggle. These are kids that have options yet choose to act hood because they think its cool.

How can you even trace origins anymore?

You know what..

After I was done typing that I thought myself..."I'm thinking from the mentality of hip hop being black street culture, when nobody cares about that or wants it to be that anymore"

I'm not even gonna boast and say 'I'm cut from a different cloth'.. I will be more self effacing and admit that I'm a dinosaur..And you're right..

That ship has sailed a long time ago...

But somethings are so ridiculous I just can't bring myself to let it slide..

Bottomline..

Jay-Z and Kanye did not influence the term HAM...Can we all just agree on that and not totally rewrite history?

 

[sporticus]

You know what..

After I was done typing that I thought myself..."I'm thinking from the mentality of hip hop being black street culture, when nobody cares about that or wants it to be that anymore"

I'm not even gonna boast and say 'I'm cut from a different cloth'.. I will be more self effacing and admit that I'm a dinosaur..And you're right..

That ship has sailed a long time ago...

But somethings are so ridiculous I just can't bring myself to let it slide..

Bottomline..

Jay-Z and Kanye did not influence the term HAM...Can we all just agree on that and not totally rewrite history?

I was kinda just going off on my own little side tangent.

Had very little to do with the original argument.

As far as HAM specifically? I don't think people really even paid attention to that song. I think they know HAM from other rappers using it, not Kanye or Jay-Z.

 

[McPiff]

So we gon pretend Jay & Ye didn't jack Wayne & Drake album idea?....

They didn't

 

[Harry B]

Man I guess we have to agree to disagree.
And I didn't say the past 10 years, I said recent years.
And I said TM101 had more influence. Can you mention another album with more influence since say 07? Probably not. And me not caring about what few hood ass broads in Philly has nothing to do with any problem in society. The only thing I would worry about in regards to them is hoping that they smarten up not what type of slang they use.

The game is foul, what you gonna do? It's hard to pinpoint who actually said and did shyt the first. And most of the times it's irrelevant unless it's something important like Nicola Tesla who didn't get the fame but he still got the credit. But who coined terms, who was the first to use ultra progressive production, who was the first to rock "exclusive" smaller belgian/french/italian brands, watches, black excellence, be super artsy and shyt is super hard. Seeing who influenced the hiphop and popular culture is a lot easier. Just like Nas with Illmatic, or Raekwon with OB4CL or Pac with all his swag and social commentary. They weren't first but obviously they've not got such dedicated fans that would dissect their brain to try and find one person or some person who might've said it or done it before them.

Cats who were said HAM all 2011, all the fukking time references their source of influence to the song, not philly broads. That's what influence is to me. People dustin of their shoulders have been done for decades and it's been a popular gesture or whatever so claiming that Jay-z influenced that is asinine. He made it hot for a while, cause it became a lil dance cats did when that song came on.

 

[Tetris v2.0]

I forget who said it, but they nailed it by saying "he stopped leading and started following"

I understand how difficult it is to achieve longevity on a mainstream level in hip-hop. Literally less than 10-15 people have actually done this to a degree, with Jay being the leader in this regard.

Kanye kinda spoiled us. He came out making crazy beats, rapping from a perspective we hadnt seen on a mainstream level since Native Tongues, he was puttin Common and Twista back on, pushing the envelope musically and critically with some of his messages etc

Now it seems like hes content with being "that dude" and hes making the music that wont alienate his legions of fans. He has the black youth, Twitter b1tches, and hipster-y audiences in his back pocket, and now, less so than ever, he is making the most cliche, uninspired and derivative music that is devoid of substance, and aside from fancy album covers and videos, devoid of artistry as well

People will literally follow him religiously in any direction he chooses to go in, yet he chooses to appeal to the lower common denominator

 

[iMajor]

He needs to stop having y'all critique him...


But I guess haters gon hate

 

[OG Talk]

I forget who said it, but they nailed it by saying "he stopped leading and started following"Kanye kinda spoiled us. He came out making crazy beats, rapping from a perspective we hadnt seen on a mainstream level since Native Tongues, he was puttin Common and Twista back on, pushing the envelope musically and critically with some of his messages etc

People will literally follow him religiously in any direction he chooses to go in, yet he chooses to appeal to the lower common denominator

This is true..

The soul, originality and conviction that he had on CD and LR is gone..He is still trying to inovate and push the envelope but it's no longer through words its through visuals..His videos, stage show and clothing have grown and evolved but his critical thinking and lyrical creativity is stagnant..

He's pretty much turned into an ultra artistic Gucci Mane....

When before he was giving us stuff like Space Ships, Jesus Walks, Family Business (probably my favorite Ye song ever), Drive Slow and Roses...




Dressing up money, clothes and hoes swag rap with leather pants, kilts, abstract art, ballet and stadium beats is weak to me...Because at the end of the day it's still just unoriginal swag rap...

People are still sayin "Ye is on that next shyt" Naw Ye is on the same dumb shyt that everyone else is on...He just has a more appealing package to wrap around his bullshyt..

 

[Tetris v2.0]

He's pretty much turned into an ultra artistic Gucci Mane

Amazing