Thiests & Firm Believers In God....Come Hither

[Berniewood Hogan]

BROWN PRIDE, WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE IN ODIN? YOU RISK BEING BARRED FROM VALHALLA, BROTHER!

YOU'RE AN ATHEIST WITH REGARD TO THAT GOD, BROTHER!

 

[Brown_Pride]

BROWN PRIDE, WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE IN ODIN? YOU RISK BEING BARRED FROM VALHALLA, BROTHER!

YOU'RE AN ATHEIST WITH REGARD TO THAT GOD, BROTHER!

I just don't. It's a choice I've made. It's faith brother, it's faith that i've made the right choice.

Plus me believe in a God who loses in the end?

 

[acri1]

I just don't. It's a choice I've made. It's faith brother, it's faith that i've made the right choice.

Plus me believe in a God who loses in the end?

Suppose somebody tells you to start believing in Odin by 12am tonight. On Wednesday you can start believing in God/Jesus again. And I don't mean lie and say you do, you have to legitimately believe in Odin for a day.

Can you do it?

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

I just don't.

I'M SURE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE ISSUE A LITTLE, YOU CAN EXPAND ON THAT, BROTHER!

FOR EXAMPLE, WERE YOU BORN IN A TIME AND PLACE WHERE ODIN WORSHIP IS THE DOMINANT RELIGION? DID YOUR PARENTS PRACTICE ODIN WORSHIP? IS ODIN AN IMPORTANT CULTURAL SYMBOL IN YOUR COMMUNITY, BROTHER?

IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS YOU JUST MAKING A DECISION. CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE LED TO YOUR POSITION, BROTHER!

 

[NoMayo15]

You have a lot of misconceptions. But I get the feeling you might be trolling so Im gonna bow out.

Misconceptions? No trolling here. These are the honest beliefs of a former Christian for the good portion of my life. Please enlighten me on my misconceptions, friend.

that's really for you to decide then Mayo. In one sense you talk of "fuked up systems" but then also leave no room for forgiveness. Even your standards seam a little jacked to me.

Sure, there may be some faults with my own system of judgement, but I'm not an omniscient being, am I? Its just my opinion of course, but I think the way mankind deals with "bad" people is much more reasonable than what the Christian God decided. If you're arguing otherwise then that's your prerogative. I just disagree.

Bottom line is that humans are not the ultimate judges of eachother, God is. Now I can point out where we were given rules to LIVE by and even how God would judge us, but ultimately when it all counts you and God have a face to face, what he does with your good deeds and moral life is up to him, not you or me or anyone else. He MAY look at those deeds or he may not, I don't TRULY know, nor do i need to or care to.

What do you mean you don't care? Why on Earth not? You should.

Here's the thing, each and every person here has been exposed to the word of God, that's where the obligation of many ends, at some point it is a choice you either make or don't make that choices. You all know the consequences. Your door has been knocked on, the ball is in your court to open that door or not.

I disagree that beliefs like these are choices. It's a ponderance of evidence, and one's own standard of what they consider to be "good" evidence. You can't choose to believe in something that you find hard to believe. You measure every claim's likelihood to be true, and belief/disbelief is automatic. It's the way we discern whether anything is true, and why we don't accept every statement as equally valid until shown otherwise. Some people have decided to turn this filter off for one aspect in their lives because hey, it's magic, and magic can solve anything.

 

[NoMayo15]

And if that belief is all that's stopping someone from "eternal salvation"...then, well damn that just makes me sad.

I'm so glad you said this actually, because it really bugged me that you said you didn't care to know if God looked at one's deeds before judging them. To me, that is like the most ... inhuman thing someone could say. I could see like the perspective that you know you can't do anything about it, and feel bad that it is that way ... but completely not caring is ... is an amount of apathy my brain can't process.

How could someone not care that a person whom most would consider "good" may ultimately be sent to the worst place imaginable. And why? Because the creator being, who quite frankly has questionable moral values, is the ultimate judge? God might be that heartless and send that person to hell, but I hope most people have the decency not to be like that, and at least feel bad that this one rule is going to cause so much misery for that individual.

 

[daze23]

Daze, JC is the son of God, came and died for your sins, so that if you believe in him and his sacrifice you too can have eternal salvation.

those are the words of God?

 

[Brown_Pride]

Suppose somebody tells you to start believing in Odin by 12am tonight. On Wednesday you can start believing in God/Jesus again. And I don't mean lie and say you do, you have to legitimately believe in Odin for a day. Can you do it?

Not based on what I know.

I'M SURE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE ISSUE A LITTLE, YOU CAN EXPAND ON THAT, BROTHER!

FOR EXAMPLE, WERE YOU BORN IN A TIME AND PLACE WHERE ODIN WORSHIP IS THE DOMINANT RELIGION? DID YOUR PARENTS PRACTICE ODIN WORSHIP? IS ODIN AN IMPORTANT CULTURAL SYMBOL IN YOUR COMMUNITY, BROTHER?

IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS YOU JUST MAKING A DECISION. CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE LED TO YOUR POSITION, BROTHER!

I agree completely. We're all the results of 2 things. Our circumstances and our reactions to them. This explains why in some places, where Christianity is not the norm, people still "sign up", it explains why cases like No Mayo exist as well. Circumstances were presented and decisions were made. Those are personal decisions.

Misconceptions? No trolling here. These are the honest beliefs of a former Christian for the good portion of my life. Please enlighten me on my misconceptions, friend.

well first I would say that even among common "beliefs" there are different degrees of beliefiness (TM). FOr instance if my expose to Christianity as a child was to the West Burrow Baptist church then sure, i'd see a crap ton of fault in "Christianity" and one could gather various misconceptions about Christianity. Those are the misconceptions I speak of. So while your experiences have guided you towards your understanding of Christianity, I would say only that there are other ways.

Sure, there may be some faults with my own system of judgement, but I'm not an omniscient being, am I? Its just my opinion of course, but I think the way mankind deals with "bad" people is much more reasonable than what the Christian God decided. If you're arguing otherwise then that's your prerogative. I just disagree.

I don't necessarily agree with all things, but then as you stated i'm not omniscient either. I will say that humans deal with other humans pretty shytty a lot of times as well. God does so from my perspective in some cases, but given that I believe in his omniscience then I can only surmise that there was a reason beyond my ability to comprehend.

And here the apples and orange conundrum begins. When you try to justify or condemn something an omniscience being does via the view point of a limited human perspective you're gonna lose by default. Now the hinge to this is that you believe in the omniscient being; else wise we're arguing apples and oranges.

What do you mean you don't care? Why on Earth not? You should.

I care enough to know that it's not something I believe i can understand. I care because I don't like the idea of eternal suffering for anyone, but I don't dwell as I've conceded the point that God knows better. (see the Omniscience > human perspective comment from above)

I disagree that beliefs like these are choices. It's a ponderance of evidence, and one's own standard of what they consider to be "good" evidence. You can't choose to believe in something that you find hard to believe. You measure every claim's likelihood to be true, and belief/disbelief is automatic.

I disagree. Personally I can't prove God, and if I were to attempt to apply a preponderance of evidence i'd arrive at God not existing. there's just no physical proof that one can lay out there that "proves" God is who he says he is. That in mind, i do CHOOSE to both recognize and reconcile this point to arrive at my beliefs. I understand that doesn't sit well with a lot of people. I'm also not goign to lay out, "personal stories of God" as proof because again, they are not easy to verify or quantify.

It's the way we discern whether anything is true, and why we don't accept every statement as equally valid until shown otherwise. Some people have decided to turn this filter off for one aspect in their lives because hey, it's magic, and magic can solve anything.

Or faith. Now here we'll touch on apples and oranges again. Basically two view points from two VERY DIFFERENT locations will see two different things, especially when viewed from two different lenses. Without faith my belief system, when pared up against "scientific proof" suggests that i believe in "magic". That "leap of faith" is what allows me to "prove" my beliefs. Again I understand where this doesn't sit well with many people as they guide their lives on a different set of principles. That leap of faith makes a world of difference and when looked at closely IS a choice. I choose to stare certain things I can't explain in the face and say, "That's God's will" or "only God knows".

those are the words of God?

As I understand them.

 

[NoMayo15]

well first I would say that even among common "beliefs" there are different degrees of beliefiness (TM). FOr instance if my expose to Christianity as a child was to the West Burrow Baptist church then sure, i'd see a crap ton of fault in "Christianity" and one could gather various misconceptions about Christianity. Those are the misconceptions I speak of. So while your experiences have guided you towards your understanding of Christianity, I would say only that there are other ways.

Okay, but that the thing about Christianity, isn't it? The bible is basically the big book of multiple choice, and for every "Christian" you speak to you could have a different version of Christianity. Followers pick and choose which parts to believe and which to ignore.

I might be wrong, but it seems like you've taken the stance that God wouldn't allow an injustice like the one I described would take place, right? Maybe you could find some scripture that could be read to justify that belief ... but there is so for mine as well. Maybe you're a more liberal believer. Great. You're at least closer to my position than strict believers that all of it's true. But West Borough is no less justified in their position than you. They could say you are misinformed on the wrath of God.

I don't necessarily agree with all things, but then as you stated i'm not omniscient either. I will say that humans deal with other humans pretty shytty a lot of times as well. God does so from my perspective in some cases, but given that I believe in his omniscience then I can only surmise that there was a reason beyond my ability to comprehend.

And here the apples and orange conundrum begins. When you try to justify or condemn something an omniscience being does via the view point of a limited human perspective you're gonna lose by default. Now the hinge to this is that you believe in the omniscient being; else wise we're arguing apples and oranges.


I care enough to know that it's not something I believe i can understand. I care because I don't like the idea of eternal suffering for anyone, but I don't dwell as I've conceded the point that God knows better. (see the Omniscience > human perspective comment from above)

Okay, fine.

I disagree. Personally I can't prove God, and if I were to attempt to apply a preponderance of evidence i'd arrive at God not existing. there's just no physical proof that one can lay out there that "proves" God is who he says he is. That in mind, i do CHOOSE to both recognize and reconcile this point to arrive at my beliefs. I understand that doesn't sit well with a lot of people. I'm also not goign to lay out, "personal stories of God" as proof because again, they are not easy to verify or quantify.

Okay, so you've accepted a set of beliefs despite recognizing that there is no objective way to discern whether or not these beliefs are true. There is a reason why you hold this faith, and it's much more than just some choice you've decided to make. By this post it seems like you've been convinced by some sort of personal experience. You know it's not enough to convince anyone else, but it's convinced you.

Acrimonious asked you if you could consciously choose to believe in a God you don't currently believe in. Your response was no. "Not based on what I know.". That right there shows me that it's more than you've picked a religion out of a hat, and chose to believe in it. You (think you) know something that validates your belief. What is it? If it's some experience you don't want to share then, that's okay.

Or faith. Now here we'll touch on apples and oranges again. Basically two view points from two VERY DIFFERENT locations will see two different things, especially when viewed from two different lenses. Without faith my belief system, when pared up against "scientific proof" suggests that i believe in "magic". That "leap of faith" is what allows me to "prove" my beliefs. Again I understand where this doesn't sit well with many people as they guide their lives on a different set of principles. That leap of faith makes a world of difference and when looked at closely IS a choice. I choose to stare certain things I can't explain in the face and say, "That's God's will" or "only God knows".

Yeah, for most of this bit, I have no idea what you're talking about. Some of it is patently absurd. Anyway, good day, sir.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Okay, but that the thing about Christianity, isn't it? The bible is basically the big book of multiple choice, and for every "Christian" you speak to you could have a different version of Christianity. Followers pick and choose which parts to believe and which to ignore.

Ultimately yes. There are differences between different sects of christianity. Trans configuration, works vs faith, which day to take the sabath, is celebrating Christmas ok, which has the details correct? Not sure. As I said though the ONE thing you need to absolutely know is that JC died so that your sins may be forgiven, was then resurrected scurried off to heaven. (John 3:16 basically). The details IMHO, while important, are not what makes or breaks the deal...that's just my belief though. The caveat to this is that you actually believe this. That belief really shows through in your attitude and the way you live your life.

I might be wrong, but it seems like you've taken the stance that God wouldn't allow an injustice like the one I described would take place, right?

If i understand this right you're talking about a moral person going to heaven and getting the burned though they lived a good life. Personally i don't believe that person would get a pass into heaven. The path is in fact narrow while the road to hell is broad. Again this is just what I believe; I feel it is a bit rough, but again who am I to judged God and his design. If things play out this way then so be it, if they don't, then also so be it.

Maybe you could find some scripture that could be read to justify that belief ... but there is so for mine as well. Maybe you're a more liberal believer. Great. You're at least closer to my position than strict believers that all of it's true. But West Borough is no less justified in their position than you. They could say you are misinformed on the wrath of God.

they could say that, in fact i'm sure that's what they do say. That is their perogative to do so, i'm not going to judge them ultimately. What I do know and can personally attest to is that the moment I opened my eyes and heart to JC the last thing on my mind was hate and as cliche as it sounds I really do ask myself often WWJD. I severly doubt JC is gonna be standing on the corner with a "I HATE FAGS" billboard, especially considering that when he was on earth he made it abundantly clear that he loved sinners.

Now there are some that choose to read homosexuality being an abomination as some call to arms, IMHO it's not. When I do look at how Jesus approached sin it wasn't judgmentally (unless you were a coin changer...then you got that even from JC), he sat and ate with them. HE came here to minister TO THEM.

Your point though is recieved...."how do you know you're right and everyone else is wrong?" I don't, I believe I do and live my life accordingly. If in the end i'm wrong I've faith that my belief in JC and God as well as my acts on this earth will be enough, if they're not...well that's gonna suck

That being said I believe I have a stronger chance in being right vs wrong here and the stuff i suspect i'm in danger of being wrong on or that i'm not sure of I pray and rely on my responses to guide me.

Okay, so you've accepted a set of beliefs despite recognizing that there is no objective way to discern whether or not these beliefs are true. There is a reason why you hold this faith, and it's much more than just some choice you've decided to make. By this post it seems like you've been convinced by some sort of personal experience. You know it's not enough to convince anyone else, but it's convinced you.

Well when it first started it was a choice I made. Keep in mind you're talking to a former kid who meddled in the "black arts" as it were

I quite literally said i'm gonna go this road (christianity) and see what happens. Did i believe in full heart at first? No, but over time as I grew and became more acquainted with God and as I began to really try to see how God works in and thru man then sure i've seen enough in my own life to personally say JC is real and my beliefs have an affect in my life. I've said before that I've gone through some rough patches in life and while i believed in JC even during those times I was really shocked by my experiences during that time.

One occasion specifically really sticks with me till this day. I was stressed the hell out about money, i didn't have any, had kids to feed, etc, etc. I happened to be on the bus at the time and I happened to be carrying my bible, I turned to ye old good book and as I do sometime i just opened up and started reading. I came to Matt 6:26 "Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?"

Of course i sorta laughed, but really at that moment i prayed, "you know what i need more than I do, i don't know how you're gonna do it, but i know you'll take it from here" . About 15 mins later i get to my stop and as I'm getting up some dude sitting across from me got up and handed me a 50. said, "God told me you needed help."

Here's the kicker. At the time in was in completely pressed clothes, I was on my way home from an interview, I wasn't begging, I had not said a single word since I'd gotten on the bus. Now perhaps I looked stressed out or call it what you want, but for me that was not just random.

I've had similar experiences throughout my life where "random hapstance" just doesn't fit...

Acrimonious asked you if you could consciously choose to believe in a God you don't currently believe in. Your response was no. "Not based on what I know.". That right there shows me that it's more than you've picked a religion out of a hat, and chose to believe in it. You (think you) know something that validates your belief. What is it? If it's some experience you don't want to share then, that's okay.

as i said initially it was a choice, a conscious choice to attempt to understand God and JC. My response was of course based on what I know now and what i believe now and what i've experienced up until now. At the initial time though, i really did just decide to go to church one day...actually it happened via a basketball game and a mission where this church came out to the neighborhood and play ball and pasture to the kids. But yeah i decided to keep coming back for no other reason that it felt right to me.

Yeah, for most of this bit, I have no idea what you're talking about. Some of it is patently absurd. Anyway, good day, sir.

ha. Yeah it's confusing. But basically i was just sayign that there are two ways to look at "religion". through the eyes of a believer and a non-believer...

 

[rapbeats]

No human being, if he truly believed that his book was the EXACT word of God and God's commandments would EVER break it.

Because they have doubts deep down inside, in places they pretend don't exist, it causes them to "sin".

I'll say it again and take it as a life lesson: NO man who thinks their book is the LITERAL word of God would EVER break it.

WRONG, have you read the book?if you have you would know, if it is true what the book says. if it is true that God out maker assisted the writers in writing it.

then that means whats said in the bible is therefore TRUE. correct? correct.

now that we know whats in there is TRUE> it also says men will sin, even Godly men, will sin, even men who hate sin, will sin.

See you cant have it both ways. you cant say but but if the word is true then no one in there right mind would sin. sure they would. why? because we have a choice. and we make bad choices all of the time. some of us more bad choices then others. now how you come into sinning is another story. it depends on what we're talking about. you are human, therefore you will sin.this is why it says you have to die daily. daily have to ask for forgiveness and mean it. daily you have to try it again and try not to sin. and more or less try to feel your day with the better things so there wont be much time with the unrighteous things. thats the only way i believe you can pull it off. but doing that is tough. why? because you are human. therefore you have human desires. human desires at times are not the Lord's desires. therefore you will sin.

 

[Type Username Here]

WRONG, have you read the book?if you have you would know, if it is true what the book says. if it is true that God out maker assisted the writers in writing it.

then that means whats said in the bible is therefore TRUE. correct? correct.

now that we know whats in there is TRUE> it also says men will sin, even Godly men, will sin, even men who hate sin, will sin.

See you cant have it both ways. you cant say but but if the word is true then no one in there right mind would sin. sure they would. why? because we have a choice. and we make bad choices all of the time. some of us more bad choices then others. now how you come into sinning is another story. it depends on what we're talking about. you are human, therefore you will sin.this is why it says you have to die daily. daily have to ask for forgiveness and mean it. daily you have to try it again and try not to sin. and more or less try to feel your day with the better things so there wont be much time with the unrighteous things. thats the only way i believe you can pull it off. but doing that is tough. why? because you are human. therefore you have human desires. human desires at times are not the Lord's desires. therefore you will sin.

I understand all that, but why WOULD you sin if you knew it these rules/laws are coming from a SUPREME flawless being?

That's where the logic falls apart.

You are making it seem like God is COMMANDING you to sin because he made you human. It can't be both ways. It's a matter of choice or you sin because you God commands you to sin.

 

[the cac mamba]

Daze, JC is the son of God, came and died for your sins, so that if you believe in him and his sacrifice you too can have eternal salvation.

There.
You can no longer claim ignorance.

how can you make that statement as a fact though

i mean u gotta be kidding me. you believe that, you dont "know" that. not to mention the fact that youre tossing aside thousands of creation myths with an equal amount of credibilty

 

[rapbeats]

I understand all that, but why WOULD you sin if you knew it these rules/laws are coming from a SUPREME flawless being?

That's where the logic falls apart.

You are making it seem like God is COMMANDING you to sin because he made you human. It can't be both ways. It's a matter of choice or you sin because you God commands you to sin.

now thats where your logic falls apart.

listen, stop TRYING to put what you THINK on the idea of logic. thats what you THINK should happen. it doesnt mean thats the logical outcome, or the reality of the situation on the ground.

lets take your thoughts and my thoughts out of this. lets just assume for arguments sake. that christian bible is 100% ACCURATE, AUTHENTICA word of GOD the Creator, and his son was Jesus. we have to assume these things are true for me to go on with this next comment.

NOW. know the above. that means everything in the bible is what it says it is. all the stories are real.

i'll let this other person break it down to you. remember he quoted the bible. the same thing that we agree is 100% accurate.

Hi I just wanted to know , does God forgive you if you keep making the same mistake in a particular area of your life . You want to stop and change but you just keep failing , if though my heart is in the write place but my actions are doing another when it comes to the crunch. Repeating the same sin over and over again , is that making a mokery of God and his word.

J
Hi J

Many Christians find that they make the same mistake repeatedly. This is especially so if you have years of bad habits to overcome. So rest assured, you are not alone in this struggle.

The apostle Paul writes about the struggle between a mind which wants to serve God and a sinful nature which just keeps on sinning. And he writes that Jesus Christ delivers him from this body of death (Romans 7, esp vv 24-25). So Jesus’ blood is quite powerful enough to wash away ALL your sin, even repeated sins. You are NEVER beyond forgiveness.

But you must repent sincerely. The idea that God cannot be mocked (Galatians 6:7) basically means that God sees right through someone who is not repenting sincerely. SOMETIMES, repeated sin can be an indication that the person hasn’t really repented, and is only saying that they repent. God is not fooled by that.

Repeated sin is a sign that you have a particular weakness to that sort of temptation - and I believe that we
all have it to varying degrees. For some it may be anger, for others it may be jealousy. That you continue to sin in the same way should indicate to you that you need to work particularly hard in that area tnot to sin.

So pray that God will help you overcome the sin, and then take practical steps to avoid it. Try to work out what situations, decisions, activities or friends lead you into this sin, and then take steps to avoid them. That way you won’t even get close to it. It is a good idea to tell a Christian friend about the sin so they can pray with you and encourage you. That would obviously need to be someone you could trust to keep it confidential. And if you fall into sin, turn back to God and ask for forgiveness and then keep trying - remembering that a day will come when it will no longer be a problem.

SO, IN SHORT, God is always ready to forgive, but we must never get complacent about sin and think it doesn’t matter. Rather we do whatever we can to avoid temptation and deal with sin when it happens.

if a man of the bible has a sin problem just like me and you. yet he understands he has this problem(first step you have to admit you have a problem). and he cares enough to cry out about this problem and you can tell in his writings he sincerely wished it would just be gone. yet its still there bothering him. the key thing is that it still bothers him, enough for him to repent and cry out. like the guy said above he didnt get complacent about it. but its still an issue. God sees your heart not what you want him to see. but the real you. if he KNOWS that you are really trying but this is a weak area in your life and he sees you crying out to him. not only will he lend you some assistance(you still will probably sin from time to time). but he has already given you grace. which means he already knows going in this person is doing all THEY can do under the circumstances that they live in. meaning you can only control the flesh so much. there's a reality that you have to live in after the fall of adam and even and the curse they brought upon everything on earth, including the body you are bound to on earth. all those desires. he knows better then me and you that this is the nature of the beast that was created by adam and eve doing what they did.

again you know darn well your pops will bring the big belt when you were 7 years old if he caught you in the garage playing with the tools. he already warned you. you know he's real. and you know pops dont play. YET because of your sinful nature. you wind up playing with the tools. WHY do you do such a thing? you know your pops loves you but yet you still do it. pops is telling you not to mess with it not just for his sake but for yours. he knows you might mess around and poke your own eye out or something silly. thats what children do(we are children in God's eyes). there is a reality of our sinful nature that will never go away until this thing is over. So it is what it is. yet we are still saved by grace, and yet you still have to repent daily.hourly, etc.

i mean ask yourself have you drove above the speed limit before? YEP, you know you could be pulled over and ticketed right ? YEP. YOu know the ticketing process is only a deterrent to keep people driving at safe speeds to keep YOU safe right? you do realize people get hurt in accidents and it can cost a lot of money even if no one gets hurt. YET you still speed or have sped in the past. CORRECT? CORRECT> that is a reality of SINFUL nature people. no matter what the rules, are. no matter ifyou know who gave us those rules. that will not stop us from ever doing wrong. it just wont.

 

[Type Username Here]

now thats where your logic falls apart.

listen, stop TRYING to put what you THINK on the idea of logic. thats what you THINK should happen. it doesnt mean thats the logical outcome, or the reality of the situation on the ground.

lets take your thoughts and my thoughts out of this. lets just assume for arguments sake. that christian bible is 100% ACCURATE, AUTHENTICA word of GOD the Creator, and his son was Jesus. we have to assume these things are true for me to go on with this next comment.

NOW. know the above. that means everything in the bible is what it says it is. all the stories are real.

i'll let this other person break it down to you. remember he quoted the bible. the same thing that we agree is 100% accurate.



if a man of the bible has a sin problem just like me and you. yet he understands he has this problem(first step you have to admit you have a problem). and he cares enough to cry out about this problem and you can tell in his writings he sincerely wished it would just be gone. yet its still there bothering him. the key thing is that it still bothers him, enough for him to repent and cry out. like the guy said above he didnt get complacent about it. but its still an issue. God sees your heart not what you want him to see. but the real you. if he KNOWS that you are really trying but this is a weak area in your life and he sees you crying out to him. not only will he lend you some assistance(you still will probably sin from time to time). but he has already given you grace. which means he already knows going in this person is doing all THEY can do under the circumstances that they live in. meaning you can only control the flesh so much. there's a reality that you have to live in after the fall of adam and even and the curse they brought upon everything on earth, including the body you are bound to on earth. all those desires. he knows better then me and you that this is the nature of the beast that was created by adam and eve doing what they did.

again you know darn well your pops will bring the big belt when you were 7 years old if he caught you in the garage playing with the tools. he already warned you. you know he's real. and you know pops dont play. YET because of your sinful nature. you wind up playing with the tools. WHY do you do such a thing? you know your pops loves you but yet you still do it. pops is telling you not to mess with it not just for his sake but for yours. he knows you might mess around and poke your own eye out or something silly. thats what children do(we are children in God's eyes). there is a reality of our sinful nature that will never go away until this thing is over. So it is what it is. yet we are still saved by grace, and yet you still have to repent daily.hourly, etc.

i mean ask yourself have you drove above the speed limit before? YEP, you know you could be pulled over and ticketed right ? YEP. YOu know the ticketing process is only a deterrent to keep people driving at safe speeds to keep YOU safe right? you do realize people get hurt in accidents and it can cost a lot of money even if no one gets hurt. YET you still speed or have sped in the past. CORRECT? CORRECT> that is a reality of SINFUL nature people. no matter what the rules, are. no matter ifyou know who gave us those rules. that will not stop us from ever doing wrong. it just wont.

Are you slow?

There are two scenarios
1-You believe these rules come from God himself, and not a parent but God, the supposed creator of all, I including ethics and morality. You then know what this God wants and you CHOOSE to sin and disappoint God. Notice I mentioned nothing about forgiveness. It's not important in this equation. I'm talking about the logic that goes into making the Choice.

2- You believe because you are human you have NO choice but to sin because God created you to sin.

Which one is it?

Don't write a fukking novel just answer to the goddamn question.