Thiests & Firm Believers In God....Come Hither

[NoMayo15]

pretty sure "sin" is up to one owns interpretation..

 

[FAH1223]

Christians specifically, but I know there's a substantial Muslim population in The Coli as well:

Why do you consciously sin?

If you think that there's a supernatural being, that constantly watches over you, and has a set of rules that he specifically wants you to follow, why don't you make a bigger effort not to break those rules?

If you think your God cannot be in the presence of sinful people, and will damn people who are not truly repentant for sins to a place of fire and torture and anguish ... why not devout your entire existence to that God? Why not set aside Earthly items, and focus solely on worshiping that being, spreading the gospel, and saving other souls who may not have heard the good news? Why do you need a job, why do you need money? Don't you think if you did this, God would provide for you?

I appreciate your thoughts, friends.

Islam is all about faith and actions. So while we Muslims believe God is the provider and has decreed what we get in life, we still have to do our part and work for it. We also have to be mindful of both wordly matters and those of the hereafter. For example, if you're fortunate enough to have made a lot of money, you'll be questioned about how you spent it... and the best way to spend it is in the cause of charity, family, etc... thats not to say you can't have nice things, but there has to be a balance.

As far as sinning. We all make mistakes an have bad habits but the best person is one who sins and repents. We're taught to always seek forgiveness from God as he is the most merciful and most forgiving. I think people get caught up about their situation being hopeless and think "eff it, there's no hope for me" and that leads to a destructive path. If you have a problem, seek help from those that know. But never lose hope into becoming a better person, Muslim, etc.

From our perspective, The biggest sin one can do is associating partners with God. Everything else obviously can be forgiven through repenting and action. I will say that doing a sin and thinking "oh hey, God will forgive me anyway" isn't the way we go about things. You have to go by the old adage of "you're gonna make mistakes, but don't make the same mistake twice" for your own sake.

Anyway thats my 2 cents

 

[NoMayo15]

Islam is all about faith and actions. So while we Muslims believe God is the provider and has decreed what we get in life, we still have to do our part and work for it. We also have to be mindful of both wordly matters and those of the hereafter. For example, if you're fortunate enough to have made a lot of money, you'll be questioned about how you spent it... and the best way to spend it is in the cause of charity, family, etc... thats not to say you can't have nice things, but there has to be a balance.

As far as sinning. We all make mistakes an have bad habits but the best person is one who sins and repents. We're taught to always seek forgiveness from God as he is the most merciful and most forgiving. I think people get caught up about their situation being hopeless and think "eff it, there's no hope for me" and that leads to a destructive path. If you have a problem, seek help from those that know. But never lose hope into becoming a better person, Muslim, etc.

From our perspective, The biggest sin one can do is associating partners with God. Everything else obviously can be forgiven through repenting and action. I will say that doing a sin and thinking "oh hey, God will forgive me anyway" isn't the way we go about things. You have to go by the old adage of "you're gonna make mistakes, but don't make the same mistake twice" for your own sake.

Anyway thats my 2 cents

I can appreciate this. +rep

 

[Brown_Pride]

Islam is all about faith and actions. So while we Muslims believe God is the provider and has decreed what we get in life, we still have to do our part and work for it. We also have to be mindful of both wordly matters and those of the hereafter. For example, if you're fortunate enough to have made a lot of money, you'll be questioned about how you spent it... and the best way to spend it is in the cause of charity, family, etc... thats not to say you can't have nice things, but there has to be a balance.

As far as sinning. We all make mistakes an have bad habits but the best person is one who sins and repents. We're taught to always seek forgiveness from God as he is the most merciful and most forgiving. I think people get caught up about their situation being hopeless and think "eff it, there's no hope for me" and that leads to a destructive path. If you have a problem, seek help from those that know. But never lose hope into becoming a better person, Muslim, etc.

From our perspective, The biggest sin one can do is associating partners with God. Everything else obviously can be forgiven through repenting and action. I will say that doing a sin and thinking "oh hey, God will forgive me anyway" isn't the way we go about things. You have to go by the old adage of "you're gonna make mistakes, but don't make the same mistake twice" for your own sake.

Anyway thats my 2 cents

agreed, that more or less sums it up.

People aren't perfect, that's how we are made...or rather became (original sin), given that it's expected that you'll fuk up, it's how you handle that fuk up that really matters.

Honestly the simplest way to look at a lot of this stuff, in terms of forgiveness and such, is to imagine God as a father, then imagine how you'd treat your seed as a father, THEN imagine that the love you have being compared to HATE when placed next to God's love for you. That being said, SIN, is wrong, BUT forgiveness is our to be had.

ON another note...
why do non believers break the laws, even though they know them?

 

[acri1]

This may be interesting. Define 'sin' please?​

How about we make things simple and just go with whatever the bible defines as sin?

ON another note...
why do non believers break the laws, even though they know them?

I only break laws that I think are unjust, arbitrary, or unnecessary. For example, I don't think that driving 5mph over the speed limit is "wrong" even if it's technically illegal.

So basically I just follow my own moral compass, although obviously I avoid doing things that would get me arrested. But even if, say, murder wasn't illegal I still wouldn't kill anyone and I'd like to think most other people wouldn't.

That said, I guess some people have no internal moral compass (not saying this applies to you) and need to be told whether something is right or wrong. If the government stopped enforcing anti-theft laws I'm sure a lot of people would start stealing just for the hell of it, but I honestly wouldn't unless it was a matter of survival.

 

[Brown_Pride]

How about we make things simple and just go with whatever the bible defines as sin?



I only break laws that I think are unjust, arbitrary, or unnecessary. For example, I don't think that driving 5mph over the speed limit is "wrong" even if it's technically illegal.

So basically I just follow my own moral compass, although obviously I avoid doing things that would get me arrested. But even if, say, murder wasn't illegal I still wouldn't kill anyone and I'd like to think most other people wouldn't.

That said, I guess some people have no internal moral compass (not saying this applies to you) and need to be told whether something is right or wrong. If the government stopped enforcing anti-theft laws I'm sure a lot of people would start stealing just for the hell of it, but I honestly wouldn't unless it was a matter of survival.

that's the kicker though, we operate under the same guidelines.

I try not to sin because of my own moral compass, the laws imposed by God differ, from a personal perspective, from those issued by man.

Both have consequences, both are imposed by an outside force.

Why do some think that just because God made that that is the reason Christians have "morality"? If God had remained indifferent to murder, would I murder? No.

 

[acri1]

that's the kicker though, we operate under the same guidelines.

I try not to sin because of my own moral compass, the laws imposed by God differ, from a personal perspective, from those issued by man.

Both have consequences, both are imposed by an outside force.

Why do some think that just because God made that that is the reason Christians have "morality"? If God had remained indifferent to murder, would I murder? No.

Dunno. I don't think that Christians are only moral because of their religion, but for some reason a lot of Christians themselves seem to think that. That's why you get the whole "How can you have morals without religion?" stuff.

But I think the TS point was more about the fact that most Theists literally believe that god is constantly watching them and judging everything they do, and if they fukk up (or pick the wrong religion) then god will literally imprison them in a place of anguish and torment forever and ever, which is pretty damn terrible. If I honestly thought that would happen I don't think I'd ever do something like have premarital sex or disobey my parents, even if I myself had no ethical issues with them.

If I honestly thought hell was real I'd probably be a religious fundamentalist and spend my entire life obessively trying to do everything I could to avoid going.

 

[Brown_Pride]

Dunno. I don't think that Christians are only moral because of their religion, but for some reason a lot of Christians themselves seem to think that. That's why you get the whole "How can you have morals without religion?" stuff.

But I think the TS point was more about the fact that most Theists literally believe that god is constantly watching them and judging everything they do, and if they fukk up (or pick the wrong religion) then god will literally imprison them in a place of anguish and torment forever and ever, which is pretty damn terrible. If I honestly thought that would happen I don't think I'd ever do something like have premarital sex or disobey my parents, even if I myself had no ethical issues with them.

If I honestly thought hell was real I'd probably be a religious fundamentalist and spend my entire life obessively trying to do everything I could to avoid going.

yeah religion is a funny beast. that's why i said when I think about shyt i think in terms of "father" "child relationship.

For instance I don't think you die, get set in front of God and he goes, "hey...you lied in 3rd grade "

I also don't believe you can get up there and say, "Ok so i know that for my entire life I all but made a mockery of your existence...can i come in "


There, for sure are rules though and there are consequences to not following them, just like man made laws. While I may not always follow all of them I do my best to, and ultimately I believe we're judged by God on a lot of levels and he obviously knows if you were a good seed or bad one.

 

[Turenne]

pretty sure "sin" is up to one owns interpretation..

Pretty sure Muslims and Christians can't be relativists, so I'm pretty sure you are wrong.

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

How about we make things simple and just go with whatever the bible defines as sin?

Why the Bible?​

 

[Brown_Pride]

Pretty sure Muslims and Christians can't be relativists, so I'm pretty sure you are wrong.

yeah more or less...
There are some interpretation issues (is though shall not kill the same thing as thou shall not murder...?)

Other than that and the rules are pretty cut and dry.
Though in Christianity there is only one unforgivable sin

 

[NoMayo15]

agreed, that more or less sums it up.

People aren't perfect, that's how we are made...or rather became (original sin), given that it's expected that you'll fuk up, it's how you handle that fuk up that really matters.

Honestly the simplest way to look at a lot of this stuff, in terms of forgiveness and such, is to imagine God as a father, then imagine how you'd treat your seed as a father, THEN imagine that the love you have being compared to HATE when placed next to God's love for you. That being said, SIN, is wrong, BUT forgiveness is our to be had.

ON another note...
why do non believers break the laws, even though they know them?

I'm 25, I don't have any children, but I don't think there is a single crime my child could commit, including not loving me back, that I would allow my arch enemy to take him away, and torture him with fire and pitchforks for all of eternity. Maybe you don't have this particular view of hell, but when I believed, this is what I was taught was the truth. Personally, I don't think it's moral to give eternal punishments for finite crimes, but this is exactly what my brand of Christianity taught.

For instance I don't think you die, get set in front of God and he goes, "hey...you lied in 3rd grade "

I also don't believe you can get up there and say, "Ok so i know that for my entire life I all but made a mockery of your existence...can i come in "

Yeah, like acri said... why risk it?

 

[The region 219]

Pretty sure Muslims and Christians can't be relativists, so I'm pretty sure you are wrong.

yah...because their isn't a bunch of different denominations based off different interpretations of virtually the same book...most believers don't have that cut and dry we are right everyone else is going to hell swag like the Jehovah witnesses... (which i kind of admire their conviction lol)

not to mention the contradicting shyt like thou shall not murder yet go ahead and put gay guys to death...

sure you might have whole groups of people who "know" exactly what sin is and isn't according to their version of the bible and then according to how their denomination collectively translates it.... yet to say every christian who reads this thread is going to have the same sin/no sin rule book is wildly simple minded...

 

[Brown_Pride]

I'm 25, I don't have any children, but I don't think there is a single crime my child could commit, including not loving me back, that I would allow my arch enemy to take him away, and torture him with fire and pitchforks for all of eternity. Maybe you don't have this particular view of hell, but when I believed, this is what I was taught was the truth. Personally, I don't think it's moral to give eternal punishments for finite crimes, but this is exactly what my brand of Christianity taught.



Yeah, like acri said... why risk it?

here's the thing about hell right.
Be it fire and brimstone or not, you have ample time NOT to get into it.
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There's a reason you're reborn in Christ, as they say. That's when you become a child of God. Ergo the importance of belief and commitments.

It's a tough pill to swallow sometimes that God, ultimately, will sentence so many to torment, but given that it is the choice of those people I can hardly fault him for sticking by what he said he's gonna do.

That white throne judgment though...

 

[Turenne]

yet to say every christian who reads this thread is going to have the same sin/no sin rule book is wildly simple minded...

I didn't say that you fukking retard. I didn't say anything even vaguely close to fukking saying that. Christ people like you are annoying.