Chicago always had a featured back, now it just feels like we have no identity
Matt Forte was the last real 1000yd back we had that was classic Chicago Bear style.
They treating these running backs like women pushing 30
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Chicago always had a featured back, now it just feels like we have no identity
Matt Forte was the last real 1000yd back we had that was classic Chicago Bear style.
Charlie Sollers
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Running backs are more important in fantasy football than real football.
That said, we’ve seen teams have 2 or 3 LT’s and a game manager qb and not go anywhere. Even “just above mediocre” at qb is way more valued (unfortunately) than paying like a whole group of cheap early versions of prime Derrick Henrys to just keep a stable of 3 down backs to throw at any defense.
They pretend it's about effectiveness in a "passing" league, but it's actually more beneficial winning wise to pay more money to an elite RB with a just above mediocre QB. The Vikings with Dalvin and Kirk makes the playoffs as a #3 seed. The Titans with Henry and Tannehill were a #1 seed recently. Purdy with McCaffrey were a #2 seed last year. The Eagles running backs were running they ass off all the way to the Super Bowl. The Atlanta Falcons with Mariota got dragged. We see what happens with Kirk when the game is on his shoulders.
The justification for the mediocre QB overvalue is nonsensical. They don't actually win. It's an easy thing for media analysts to throw out and feel like they're plugged in, but they're making excuses for their GM buddies. Part of it is they need to treat the player as a player instead of a position. The Raiders GM is a fukking idiot if he thinks Jimmy G is going to be more impactful to an offense or wins than Josh Jacobs. The Giants GM is a dumbass if he thinks Daniel Jones will impact their win total or offensive success more than Saquon Barkley. All players are not created equal because they play the same position and the oversimplification mostly by media members led by their analytic based GM buddies and people fall for it. If a GM can't do that simple evaluation we can do by comparing Saquon and Daniel then he shouldn't have his job and should be roasted. Daniel Jones only had 15 passing touchdowns last season. He was in the bottom third in touchdown passes and the top half in passing attempts.
I know you're mostly agreeing with my initial point, but the only offseason argument that's annoyed me more in the past decade was people pretending Kirk Cousins and Jimmy G were good QBs.
This is why you don't give RB's top contracts. Below is the list of the Top 15 Rushers in the 2017 season. Notice how many of them still played let alone contributed 5 seasons later in 2022.
10 out of the 15 players on the list didn't play in 2022. Some of those players were 22 or 23 that year. How are you going to pay a Back a 5 year 70 Million deal when you can't guarantee he will be in the league in 5 years?
Would you be happy paying Todd Gurley, Leveon Bell, Kareem Hunt, or CJ Anderson big long term deals?
10 out of the 15 players on the list didn't play in 2022. Some of those players were 22 or 23 that year. How are you going to pay a Back a 5 year 70 Million deal when you can't guarantee he will be in the league in 5 years?
Would you be happy paying Todd Gurley, Leveon Bell, Kareem Hunt, or CJ Anderson big long term deals?
| Rk | Player | Age | 2017 Yds | 2022 Yds |
1 | Kareem Hunt | 22 | 1327 | 468 |
2 | Todd Gurley | 23 | 1305 | 0 |
3 | Le'Veon Bell | 25 | 1291 | 0 |
4 | LeSean McCoy | 29 | 1138 | 0 |
5 | Mark Ingram | 28 | 1124 | 233 |
6 | Jordan Howard | 23 | 1122 | 1 |
7 | Melvin Gordon | 24 | 1105 | 318 |
8 | Leonard Fournette | 22 | 1040 | 668 |
9 | C.J. Anderson | 26 | 1007 | 0 |
10 | Ezekiel Elliott | 22 | 983 | 876 |
11 | Alex Collins | 23 | 973 | 0 |
12 | Frank Gore | 34 | 961 | 0 |
13 | Carlos Hyde | 27 | 938 | 0 |
14 | Dion Lewis | 27 | 896 | 0 |
15 | Marshawn Lynch | 31 | 891 | 0 |
| Total Yards | 16101 | 2564 |
That would be hard to police though. You would just get RB’s getting tossed out like $1 store shyt after that 3rd year with no one paying them and moving to the next draft pick
You can blame Belichik for this rb by committee shyt killing the position
This. You'd have careers ending at 25 instead of 27 or 28
Born2BKing
Veteran
Blame the NFLPA, for not taking their business serious. NFL has the weakest union by far.
Piff Perkins
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Peep the quality of conversation in this clip. Everyone involved from Orlowsky to the host to the other lady...they get it, they aren't throwing out hot takes, they're even briefly explaining concepts and context for strategy shifts. Completely different vibe from 99% of basketball coverage you see on that network, where it's all about emotion and "who wants it more" and bullshyt hot takes.
She made a perfect point about Saquon: what is he worth to Daniel Jones? Barkley is the main reason the Giants offense worked well enough to get to the playoffs and win. If Barkley was simple a guy running north/south you could argue he was replaceable, but he's a weapon. He bails your QB out and makes plays in the passing game. He's a good blocker. The threat of him running brings safeties down, which makes your average ass QB's job easier. These are all things that cannot simply be replaced.
Also at what point do teams start operating like Philly and constantly drafting QBs? If you have an average or below average QB like the Giants, aren't you better off developing a replacement every few years instead of paying him 40mil? Why is it that RB is the only position where positional value convinces teams to plan for the future.
She made a perfect point about Saquon: what is he worth to Daniel Jones? Barkley is the main reason the Giants offense worked well enough to get to the playoffs and win. If Barkley was simple a guy running north/south you could argue he was replaceable, but he's a weapon. He bails your QB out and makes plays in the passing game. He's a good blocker. The threat of him running brings safeties down, which makes your average ass QB's job easier. These are all things that cannot simply be replaced.
Also at what point do teams start operating like Philly and constantly drafting QBs? If you have an average or below average QB like the Giants, aren't you better off developing a replacement every few years instead of paying him 40mil? Why is it that RB is the only position where positional value convinces teams to plan for the future.
What do you do if you're a team like Tennessee who's pretty much only successful because of the RB?
They switch out Henry, they might as well switch the QB because everybody with two eyes can see that Tannehill ain't shyt.
YakSpiller
Veteran
You gotta deal with it
they already gave Henry a big deal, he's the 3rd highest paid back. Hes also approaching 30, so you get the most out of him until his contracts done and you move on. You can't hold onto these nikkas foreverBecause RB is the only position where guys who had great seasons are consistently retiring before 30....
People going to gloss over this for their faux outrage. Reality is, it’s extremely rare a RB plays up to a second contract. Saquan is still young, his asking price wasn’t too extreme and it was a 3 year deal. I think he got hosed but in general giving out a 5 year deal to a RB passed 26 is probably bad GMing.
SadimirPutin
Superstar
The NFLPA is hands down the worst union in professional sports....and is run by absolute incompetents
They will never be able to get rid of the franchise tag and the players in the NFL dont have the discipline to not cave in to fight for a bigger cause.