they say Lupe is to Preachy. But i have never said Chuck D...

[Long Live The Kane]

the problem with your searching the internet. is that people were not blogging about, answering tons of questions about hiphop all on the internet linked to search engines all throughout the golden era of hiphop/conscious hiphop. so there's no way for you to find that info unless you start pulling source magazines. and what i said still rings true. a HUGE majority of the fan base NEVER said "they are to preachy." did some reviewer say it? perhaps. but what was the consensus among fans? it was "Thanks for that knowledge GURU, thanks for that knowledge PE, thanks Xclan for that knowledge whether or not i want to rock red black and green all the time is one thing.

you know what we called preachy? ya Boy speech from arrested d. you know why? because we didnt like all that singing in our hiphop. yes he was rapping and yes he could rap well. but with those softer melodies in most of those hit songs and all that singing. to us it was not PURE hiphop. thats why you heard the hate words being used "man, that nucca speech is too preachy.ole black 2 the future a.. nucca"

we didnt have a problem with Xclan at all. if you didnt agree with the message you just didnt listen to it. if you agreed with the message but wasnt going to go all out with the culture(dress and talking about going back 2 africa, etc) you still took the knowledge that was kicked and stored that as wisdom. you were not sitting around talking about that xclan was a good album but it was too preachy. sorry that was not the consensus. it is the consensus when lupe is brought up the past few years. "he's cool but..... he's a bit preachy."

You are shamelessly full of shyt...So you're just gonna pretend like half the names you listed in the first post weren't acts that were commercially viable in the late 90's and early 2000s and not "from the golden era that predated the internet...so you can't pull up empirical proof of heads back in the 80's calling certain rappers preachy, well you prolly can..but they're documented reviews and such and they shouldn't count just because ..but I was there, and no rank and file rap fans ever once thought and said they were preachy"...or like you didn't go from this

I'm telling you there was no one calling any of those dudes PREACHY

To "well, that wasn't the consensus...the vast majority of us just listened and absorbed the inherent divine knowledge even if we didn't like the music..and under no circumstances would we dare call them preachy"

So you're gonna act like posts from old head posters on a site exactly like this one a decade ago isn't sufficient proof to say that those rappers you named were getting called preachy...but then base your entire faulty assumption about "the consensus on Lupe" based on a couple of posts you saw on here

oh reallly. are you lying ? or do you just not pay attention to any of the latest food and liq 2 threads? or any other lupe thread?

exhibits A, B and C your honor.
http://www.the-coli.com/1623957-post1084.html

http://www.the-coli.com/1621639-post1072.html

http://www.the-coli.com/1611719-post1.html

If the consensus on Lupe was that he was too preachy, he wouldn't be one of the more successful acts to emerge since the mid 2000s...the man has tons of fans and has sold millions of albums and singles...

 

[prophecypro]

not true. once they fall off. sure. back in that area of CONSCIOUS rap. the reason why there was an ERA of Conscious rap was because WE the listeners allowed it to be So. we made the record labels promote more conscious music because we went to their shows, bought their albums. and when we would get asked about them we would tell them how much we loved their music for what it was. you rarely ever heard people crying about how preachy a conscious rapper was. his job is to preach a sermon of introspection. it bothers yall. thats all it is. its the same reason a lot of people that were raised in the church(Even a legit good one without pimp preachers) dont want to go at all. its not because they dont believe whats being said isnt true. they know its true. they get tired of going in there getting Convicted about the sins they've committed or may commit. it happens to all of us. but some of us take it in differently. some of us are willing to walk thru the fire of conviction and go get that lesson anyway because know its necessary to better us.

there are times in life when you have to force yourself to read something you find boring, but you know its full of knowledge. there are times you have to force yourself to watch what seems to be a boring documentary to get some knowledge you wouldnt have otherwise. you dont have to do this all the time. but the more you do this the more you will appreciate knowledge being kicked. and the less you will think of it as preachy no matter if the rapper says us, we or YOU. because you will be willing to ADMIT yes it is my fault. i dont care if lupe is doing it too. i'm doing this thing wrong and i can only change me anyway. so why should i care about how lupe is delivering the message. is the message true? YES or NO. YES. therefore i should sit back and listen to the message without the stale complaint of "he's too preachy." now by no means am i saying bang that LUpe in your whip all day and night. thats not why it was made. listen to it in spurts. then throw on some of your fun music. then listen to that lupe. then back to the fun stuff. then back to the lupe-ish music. then back to the fun stuff.
what will eventually happen is that lupe-ish type music will start to seep into your mind. you will start to enjoy less and less of the Foolish so called fun music and start to enjoy more of the knowledge is power music. to the point where you will find the right balance. vs what you see right now. where its 90% rick ross 10% lupe on deck.

lastly. i'm not trying to convince yall into believing what i'm saying. I'm just planting a seed. you dont have to agree with me today. you will in a few years. i aint worried about it. hit me up in 5.

Yeah but they fall off because their consciousness gets tired by some listeners. Some still ride with them.
I personally have no problem with conscious MCs and people being preachy in rhyme.

 

[daze23]

Lupe just ain't as good as them at spitting the same content. It's as simple as that.

Truth be told this whole quote from you is stannish as hell. I been into rap before specific tags like "conscious rap" existed, and Lupe ain't doing anything that wasn't done better (and less preachy) 20+ years ago by PE, De La Soul or whoever. So at "yall don't wanna think hard" or "yall want cotton candy raps". Lupe ain't really meat and veggies....Cube on "DC" would be meat and veggies, Lupe is a TV dinner with meat and veggies. Same content, one just pulls it off much better.

Fred.

I'm sayin, I find it hard to believe that anyone here is a bigger X-Clan fan than me

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

I think the difference is when the artist 'raps at' the listener as opposed to PE and Ice Cube sounding like they were speaking to something much bigger (the man/racist white people/government)

I think both have a place personally. I am a huge Gucci Mane/Waka fan so it is nice to have that opposite contrast for me personally.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Are yall nikkaz seriously comparing Chuck D to Loopy?

A Real nikka to a Smart Dumb nikka at times?

 

[THE MACHINE]

finally a legit answer on the other side. appreciate a thinking man's answer.

now if its truly to many YOU's and not enough We's that could be a problem.

but you have to remember back in those days it was We's because what was being talked about was happening to both parties, the rapper and the fan.

black male rapper was the same as black male fan to a white cop in the hood.

but what lu is talking about is how music itself is dumbing the generation down. its not dumbing him down because he's to old and wise to get caught up like that.he grew up in a better era of rap/hiphop. so if he said WE and US, he would be completely lying. truth is, YALL, some of YALL on The-Coli fall for the cotton candy hiphop and that needs to change.

I have to disagree. Lupe and I are relatively the same age. Our mid teen years, late nineties- early 2000s were filled with negative rap..DMX, Jay, Em, Cash Money, No Limit, snoop, Dre etc. If you weren't a teenager pre-NWA, then you have always had to look a bit harder to find good positive rap. Early nineties was hardcore gangster rap, mid to late nineties was mafioso era, early 2000s was the bling era, mid to late 00s was trap era. Again, nothing satisfies me more than great thought provoking music but when it comes off as too preachy, it can be bad. 90percent of his music is great thought provoking stuff but my only criticism of him is that he can be a bit too preachy. You mean to tell me that you think Lupe is the perfect rapper? If not, what are your criticisms?

 

[Loose]

I have to disagree. Lupe and I are relatively the same age. Our mid teen years, late nineties- early 2000s were filled with negative rap..DMX, Jay, Em, Cash Money, No Limit, snoop, Dre etc. If you weren't a teenager pre-NWA, then you have always had to look a bit harder to find good positive rap. Early nineties was hardcore gangster rap, mid to late nineties was mafioso era, early 2000s was the bling era, mid to late 00s was trap era. Again, nothing satisfies me more than great thought provoking music but when it comes off as too preachy, it can be bad. 90percent of his music is great thought provoking stuff but my only criticism of him is that he can be a bit too preachy. You mean to tell me that you think Lupe is the perfect rapper? If not, what are your criticisms?

Are yall nikkaz seriously comparing Chuck D to Loopy?

A Real nikka to a Smart Dumb nikka at times?

you tryna get negged fam

 

[daze23]

do you have issues with his timeline?

there were a few things going on at the time, but all the conscious/positive rap didn't make much noise after like 91

Common made I Used To Love HER in 1994 (probably recorded in 93), what do you think he was talking about?

 

[THE MACHINE]

Not exactly sure what the issue is here

 

[Loose]

do you have issues with his timeline?

there were a few things going on at the time, but all the conscious/positive rap didn't make much noise after like 91

Common made I Used To Love HER in 1994 (probably recorded in 93), what do you think he was talking about?

he said early 90s 90-93/94 a lot of conscious hiphop albums came out during that time period.

 

[daze23]

he said early 90s 90-93/94 a lot of conscious hiphop albums came out during that time period.

not really. after 91-92 it was pretty much dead, and honestly seen as "played out"

one minute you had this:



then all of a sudden:

 

[Still Benefited]

When does a preachers sermon come off preachy? When they talkin bout homosexuals and thieves you be right there like "preach on preacher"....soon as he start talkin about adultry and havin sex before marriage and you goin to hell too its "hold on now,wait a minute"....u think sellout nikkas with white women enjoyed "True 2 The Game" and "Cave bytch"....Or Drug Dealers ain't feel no kinda way listening to Night Of The Living Baseheads?All bcuz listeners back thens ears were so understanding

He comes off preachy cuz he speakin against sum of our lifestyles,and mindsets basically....no need to turn it into a old heads just had more sense thing....those rappers u named all made us feel like they spoke FOR us so when they did and do speak at us it didn't come off so bad cuz u know where they heart is at...and they most kept it directed at "them" aka cacs.


Dude just seems like an outsider? Like he don't partake in anything nikkas traditionally love to do...bytches,cars,shyttin on nikkas,kickin it....I don't think he's that preachy but I could see why people say it...he lacks emotion which is a issue of his and he simply doesn't make songs nowhere near the level of Cube or Chuck D nikka I listen for the lyrical display,usually don't vibe with what's bein said....he just sound like he sayin shyt to be sayin it which wuz my problem with Nas when he does it....if u gon shyt on the way nikkas think and the way they live u need to really show sum convinction and go all the way in...if done right even when u get shytted on u gotta give the

 

[rapbeats]

Lupe just ain't as good as them at spitting the same content. It's as simple as that.

Truth be told this whole quote from you is stannish as hell. I been into rap before specific tags like "conscious rap" existed, and Lupe ain't doing anything that wasn't done better (and less preachy) 20+ years ago by PE, De La Soul or whoever. So at "yall don't wanna think hard" or "yall want cotton candy raps". Lupe ain't really meat and veggies....Cube on "DC" would be meat and veggies, Lupe is a TV dinner with meat and veggies. Same content, one just pulls it off much better.

Fred.

cute reply. but i aint buying it. its the new thing to do. hate on knowledge being dropped in music.

proof is the excuses yall use to play the nonsense songs out from rappers that cant rap that well. "well 2 chainz aint all that but atleast he's entertaining...." "rapper x aint that good but.... atleast he's entertaining."

its all about drinks, clubs, broads, cars, clothes, and herb. even when i was 19 and that was my life to an extent. i still had other stuff going on in the real world that i also heard about in music. thats the difference. yall are use to that "atleast its entertaining" nonsense to the point where you think anyone saying anything different is preach in THIS ERA. the reason my ears havent changed is because i refuse to overplay this current crap thats out. so i will never get use to it.

 

[rapbeats]

my biggest problem with him is, his music doesn't make me feel like in any way that i would want to listen to it again.. as rap fans we should all like and recognise that he is a good lyricist and that he has all this shyt to break down but coming from him, i really don't care for it or what he has to say.. i don't force music on myself.

it's nice that he can pen these verses that seem to blow peoples minds and has his message but i don't like the way and how it's put together.
it feels like he said what he wanted to say but put it out in the most label friendly way but not going all the way like Lasers.

he's just harmlessly annoying, his beat selection has been poor since before Lasers and onwards, the hooks are atrocious.
he does nothing to pull you into his music unlike the rappers mentioned Ice Cube, Public Enemy, KRS, Nas, Mos Def, OutKast.... he came close with The Cool.

alot of his fans are just as bad.. if you don't like his music YOU are the problem and its because you can't grasp what he's rapping about..and some go into pure cliche "too much hoes, money, cars and ice" mode instead of just not feeling it... i'll give them their credit though they are more passionate about this one fellow than i am about any musician.

shyt, i've "felt" Jim Jones verses that he prolly never even wrote on I'm Ready and Come Home With Me more than i ever have any of Lupes.

the only reason you give credit for the hooks and the guys mentioned from the past. is because they already been there done that and blown up and made hits that you've listened to later.

what i'm telling yall is this. because yall are now TRAINED to listen for "a generic hook" and a "generic Popish southern beat" anything outside of that is AUTO trash or at minimum NO REPLAY VALUE.

the wack music is killing yalls ears and yall dont even know it. i told yall this would happen years ago. everyone called me crazy. here we are.

put it this way. when was the last time you heard a HIT record, that everyone considered a hit record. that didnt have the buzz words, Drank, club, chicks, cars, clothes, herb, somewhere in the hook or at minimum in the bridge before the hook?

when was the last time you heard a beat that became a hit track that didnt have a southern drum loop, or a 808 drum kit, or that popish sound to it?

you havent.

songs like "THE MESSAGE" are no longer available to the masses unless yall luck up and find it on the net somewhere or you personally know a friend who's making that kind of music. The idea of a HIT is so formulaic now. The artists dont know how to make hits without using the formula i just mentioned above. listen to that new slaughter house. you can see those REACHING for a hit, songs from a mile away. it didnt use to be like that. before guys would go in the studio and make songs. get lucky and come out with 4 hits for the album. 2 club bangers and 2 anthems or maybe 1 anthem and one grimey trunk rattler. they didnt have to use buzz words, they didnt have to say "get ya hands up" to make it a party song, they didnt have to say "we in da club" to make it a club song. and the beat didnt have to sound like the last guys hit record.
everyone had their own sound and made their own hits. people's hit records did not sound alike when we're talking top tier commercially successful hiphop.

example
The Pharcyde - Passin' Me By


WRECKX-N-EFFECT - RUMPSHAKER


Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg - Nuthin' But A G Thang


all hits in their own right from 1993, all hiphop, all very popular songs. non of them sound remotely similar. not even close.

now lets compare them to today's supposed top songs in 2012

Turn On The Lights- Future
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gocmWBIEGUk"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gocmWBIEGUk[/ame]

No Lie- 2 Chainz Featuring Drake
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQZMaG1eO74"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQZMaG1eO74[/ame]

Mercy- Kanye West, Big Sean, Pusha T, 2 Chainz
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGfMrDAdc3Y"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGfMrDAdc3Y[/ame]

Songs sounding way to similar. but thats whats hot in the streets nowadays. make your song sound just like the last man's hit. the entire idea of mixtapes the way people started doing them a few years back by using other peoples songs and not only using that beat. but then rapping in the same cadence as the original rapper. same sounding chorus just different words. more of the same. so when someone does something DIFFERENT. the ears cant take it. even when its good. yall have allowed this formla music to train your ears to only really like the formula.

The formula comes from the labels only promoting a Southern hiphop sound (Rider music/strip club music) & labels trying to reach the white crowd since they are the paying customer(more popish sounding). so you put the two together and you have todays music.

what these black artists and labels forgot is that what made hiphop great was its diversity. what these same black artists/and white label execs forgot. is that White people and other races enjoy black people doing them. making their BLACK people sounding music. not trying to remake electronic music from Germany.

this is why hiphop sells dont look as good as they should even though the genre /culture is still the most popular out right now. people forgot their roots. they forgot the rest of the world loves BLACK people being black people. they dont need us trying to be like them. thats why the music of today is throwaway music. its hot for 2 weeks, wack the next. hot for 2 days, wack the next.

those old songs from 1993 all had a hint of either funk, jazz, in them. thats black folks music. those are genre's black people made popular(yes other people were doing them and doing them well. but black folk sound made those genre's popular. ) this is the SOUL of hiphop. if you get rid of all of that. you have lost the SOUL of hiphop. if you take out the SOUL anyone can replace anyone as a rapper or beat maker. you replacing soul with overseas wanna be electronic music. if you ever listen to that stuff over seas. it sounds 10 times better then our fake renditions of that stuff we use for hiphop and R&B records.

and listen i aint mad at that remix with the german producer killing it, you know where he mashes up a hiphop hit song with his electronic music. thats hot.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Are yall nikkaz seriously comparing Chuck D to Loopy?

A Real nikka to a Smart Dumb nikka at times?

Their music is definitely a lot different..but as far as what they say, the stances they take on a lot of issues..they're honestly not too far from each other at all...following them both on twitter and they're like twins some times