They got Chapo Guzman, Sinola Cartel Leader

[blackzeus]

...awaits Lord Camel to take on a new moniker, and Rawse claim of alliance with the Sinaloas

I don't think Ross wants the Feds to know Guzman owes him favors, or perhaps it doesn't matter since he's already an officer

 

[Ego Noir]

The level of violence in Mexico doesn't mean the cartels are strong, it means the cartels are weak. They have to use violence, they have to spend hundreds of millions if not billions into recruiting, paying and arming people, because they can't get their way otherwise. The G is too strong, the seizures are growing, it's getting harder and harder to make a profit so the market is shrinking. That's why they're fighting amongst themselves for a larger piece of a smaller pie. I would guess the majority of a cartel's income is spent on police/government bribes and maintaining their armies.

The Russian and Italian mobs are stronger than the cartels, because they make just as much money but with far, far less violence, and they have far more political influence.

The violence is not out of their original order. It's in response to Calderon dropping the hammer on them.

Prior to 2006ish the previous president allowed them to operate so as long as they kept any murders out of the public eye. And everything was fine.

Then a new president arose, Felipe Calderon, trying to rid Mexico of all drug trafficking. That is when Mexico exploded in violence. It's basically like a 'fukk you' to authority and telling them to work with them or they will turn Mexico into a warzone. That is when they began to use violence to intimidate citizens and the government.

But even with international pressure on his drug policy the president is standing his ground stating 'in any high crime area from New York to Chicago to Columbia there's always an increase in crime when the government steps in followed by an eventual decline'.

 

[Yakno1]

normally the big boys work from the bottom to the top....seem sketchy, this guy was a billionaire, u think they will find the banks/ceo's in which he laundered money through in the US .....doubt it

when you on the level of him or like a big arms guy like viktor bout...it's so much behind the scene politics going on that what ever makes the media is already filtered and so 4th......

 

[Ego Noir]

they HAVE to do a movie on this.

Dude escapes prison...doesn't even get released and walks around like a fukking BAWSE.

shyt is too crazy not to be documented


False.

El Chapo is bigger than all them dudes, and adjusted for inflation its possible escobar might as SLIGHTED him out, but he damn sure didn't blow him out of the water. Given adjustments, i'd say Chapo is bigger since the market never really shrank

Until Chapo gets sentenced to a prison HE built. With amenities like a hotel estate, in my eyes Escobar is boss.

 

[Ego Noir]

The "drug war" is a big fukking charade

That's easy to say looking on the outside.

How are you supposed to dismantle multiple highly organized drug cartels from a different country? When you don't even have any intelligence?

It's ugly but it needs to be done. The way you dismantle an organization is like a cancer, from the inside out.

Let him transport a few bricks for a while while they basically let you infiltrate their operations. And in 5-10 years when you don't need anymore information you take them down.

But like another poster said, Chapo was trying to reconcile beefs and form a master cartel. That is dangerous to the DEA so they moved on him now.

The game is ugly but you gotta play dirty to kill dirty. It's easy to stand on some moral high ground, but fukk all that they tryna get shyt done.

On the side of the Chapo it's a Dance with the Devil type of deal. You know they trying to dismantle you, but this devil is offering you diamonds and riches.

It's also easy to say he's stupid for being an informant. But El Chapo would've never became The El Chapo had he not got that plug that made Sinaloa the most powerful drug cartel in Mexico. A drug trafficker knows his days are numbered, so why not become the big shot by any means and ride it until..

 

[Non Sequitur]

That's easy to say looking on the outside.

How are you supposed to dismantle multiple highly organized drug cartels from a different country? When you don't even have any intelligence?

It's ugly but it needs to be done. The way you dismantle an organization is like a cancer, from the inside out.

Let him transport a few bricks for a while while they basically let you infiltrate their operations. And in 5-10 years when you don't need anymore information you take them down.

But like another poster said, Chapo was trying to reconcile beefs and form a master cartel. That is dangerous to the DEA so they moved on him now.

The game is ugly but you gotta play dirty to kill dirty. It's easy to stand on some moral high ground, but fukk all that they tryna get shyt done.

On the side of the Chapo it's a Dance with the Devil type of deal. You know they trying to dismantle you, but this devil is offering you diamonds and riches.

It's also easy to say he's stupid for being an informant. But El Chapo would've never became The El Chapo had he not got that plug that made Sinaloa the most powerful drug cartel in Mexico. A drug trafficker knows his days are numbered, so why not become the big shot by any means and ride it until..

Without the cartels, the DEA doesn't exist. So why would they want to eliminate them completely?

They don't. They just want to keep the drugs flowing which keeps the government funding flowing. Everybody wins.

 

[Mr. Pink]

The violence is not out of their original order. It's in response to Calderon dropping the hammer on them.

Prior to 2006ish the previous president allowed them to operate so as long as they kept any murders out of the public eye. And everything was fine.

Then a new president arose, Felipe Calderon, trying to rid Mexico of all drug trafficking. That is when Mexico exploded in violence. It's basically like a 'fukk you' to authority and telling them to work with them or they will turn Mexico into a warzone. That is when they began to use violence to intimidate citizens and the government.

But even with international pressure on his drug policy the president is standing his ground stating 'in any high crime area from New York to Chicago to Columbia there's always an increase in crime when the government steps in followed by an eventual decline'.

Yeah, I gotta hand it to Calderon, he has big balls. Many people are calling his drug war a failure but they have to understand that it's always darkest before dawn. Some people actually thought billionaire drug traffickers would quietly give up and go to prison.

The cartels are never going to completely go away. They'll always be around in one form or another. But eventually Mexico will become like Colombia. All the big time guys will be hunted down, the large cartels will fragment into smaller cartels who will operate more low key and with far less violence. It's the best you can hope for.

 

[Yakno1]

The USA is one of the global funders of the drug war, thereby creating the guarantee that drugs remain so valuable that this totally crazy 'drug war' will not end.In fact, the 'drug war' is an employment program for law enforcement that now sits on budgets that are not unlike the profits made with the drugs considered illegal.Two systems, one 'legal' the other not, endlessly reinforcing each other, without the slightest sense or progress. The damage done by this loop in terms of wasted money and lives has become so normal we do not even reflect upon it.

There are many here who call for decriminalization or legalization of most drugs. I agree with this, but it is beyond reality. There are so many jobs and a sense of power that would disappear with legalization. There is a whole huge industry that thrives on keeping them all . The DEA created by Nixon is at the top of the list. Every police force in America has a drug unit financed by federal $. Lawyers depend on it, prisons, the guards. It is not a moral issue it is a power issue and huge economic issue. Someday legalization will happen for most drugs, but it will be long in future. The DEA and other police organizations have many doors left to breakdown. Guzman will just be replace, the drugs will continue. A losing war.

You have no idea what kind of bargaining goes on between drug lords and federal agents. Often they make deals whereby they overlook one gang and allow them their turf in exchange for turning info in about other gangs and helping boost arrests. The law can and does use the same dirty tactics and dealings as the gangs they are supposed to be bringing to justice. In exchange for a certain gang's cooperation, they will look the other way as they pursue their rivals. Did El Chapo have such a deal at one time and run afoul of the law somehow? We'll never know.

El chapo was not so elusive. What is always elusive are the so many billions that this drug lords deposit in the untouchable finance institutions. Do not be blind sided by the media hype. Let's find the ceo's that benefit from the dope market

 

[Ego Noir]

Without the cartels, the DEA doesn't exist. So why would they want to eliminate them completely?

They don't. They just want to keep the drugs flowing which keeps the government funding flowing. Everybody wins.

There will always be drugs and crime. As log as there is poverty there will always be a faction picking up the slack of a fallen criminal empire i.e. Columbia to Mexico. The demand is simply too large.

But as a government organization you can never let a criminal organization operate for too long. Their roots get too deep and their operations get too stable. The DEA also have to show that they are worth something.

So after a while you throw a wrench in the shyt, inflict chaos, and the underworld carves out a new order. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Ego Noir]

The cartels are never going to completely go away. They'll always be around in one form or another. But eventually Mexico will become like Colombia. All the big time guys will be hunted down, the large cartels will fragment into smaller cartels who will operate more low key and with far less violence. It's the best you can hope for.

Exactly.

Even if they turn Mexico into Mount Zion as long as there is somebody who wants to sniff coke there will be someone someplace willing to supply.

 

[Playeroni]

Man, little did I know back in the day these nitwits the Flores brothers were going to be mingling with the likes of el Chapo Guzman and el Mayo. I used to play b-ball with Pedro back in H.S. they were always wearing fresh gear, and the whole 9.

If they extradite el Chapo to the states. His new home will be Florence ADX. Where the Arellano-Felix brothers, and Osiel Cardenas-Guillen are waiting for him. They'll probably never cross paths, being on lockdown all the time.

Googled the Flores twins after reading this post and read this:
http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/...l-flores-twins-witnesses/Content?oid=11463514
The Feds are some dirtbags. They allowed the twins to keep bringing drugs into the country while setting up the lower level dealers. What type of backwards shyt is that? Why not just shut the twins down, and stop everything completely? Like someone said in that article, basically they were creating crime for them to solve. Pedro had dudes doing pick ups knowing the Feds was going to be there.Thats fukked up. Not to mention the lower level guys got longer sentences. Good read if you have the time.

 

[#1 pick]

Googled the Flores twins after reading this post and read this:
http://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/...l-flores-twins-witnesses/Content?oid=11463514
The Feds are some dirtbags. They allowed the twins to keep bringing drugs into the country while setting up the lower level dealers. What type of backwards shyt is that? Why not just shut the twins down, and stop everything completely? Like someone said in that article, basically they were creating crime for them to solve. Pedro had dudes doing pick ups knowing the Feds was going to be there.Thats fukked up. Not to mention the lower level guys got longer sentences. Good read if you have the time.

They need nikkas in jail stupid. Come on, ya'll nikkas act like cacs ain't satan.

 

[Yakno1]

The War on Drugs is not a War, just a clever name for making people believe the Government is really trying to stop drug distribution and it's use. This is obviously a No Win War, if it is a War?. The World Governments use the Drug $ to fund their own projects.

if the US is at War in Afghanistan one of the world's top producers of opium, why is the heroine supply and purity at record levels? How could that be? Production was up over 40-percent in 2013. So what's going to come of this guy being captured...NOTHING!

How do we know who the top drug lord is?

Do they publish financials?

Are the cartels listed on a stock exchange somewhere?

Now if somebody can just figure out who has been distributing these drugs in the US and who has been buying them. Plenty of Mexican journalists have died doing investigative journalism on drug trafficking problems in their country. Perhaps if we could see the same level of courage among American journalists we might learn the answers to those questions.

I don't know if the rest of you see it this way but here is what I see: this guy Guzman, a billionaire who escapes the day before he was supposed to be shipped of to the United States, was allowed to flourish by the rulers of Mexico. If you think for a minute, why wouldn't a man who had more to fear from rival drug lords than the government NOT have a near army of heavily armed body guards with him at ALL times? The way the story reads one is asked to believe these marines just WALKED in and took him while his guards ran away. B/S is what I say.

It is also obvious that his head was being held down by the guards as he was being walked to a vehicle. The next piece of manure we see is the heads of the armed forces of Mexico, all looking like just what they are (descendants of Europeans with no mixed Indian blood) and standing stalwart as though something "major" had just taken place. Did Colombia all of a sudden stop producing cocaine for the Mexicans to transport and sell to Americans and now it is all Mexico's party?

The time has come to start asking some serious questions about the drug trade and Mexico. Why is it that NO Mexican bank has failed in the last decade, especially after the 2008 Wall Street meltdown that dragged down Europe? I am serious. Doesn't something sound wrong with that? No large businesses in Mexico seem to report losses and all of their owners look NOTHING like the people who work for them in Mexico. Sound strange? I guess you would have to be a non-Mexican to notice those things.

This guy Guzman looks more like the peons of Mexico and was allowed to go free because they knew one day they would need a so-called sensational arrest and presto, there he surfaces. Call me a cynic if you will but I have a sinking feeling I am right on this one. Too much money is at stake for the mighty to NOT sacrifice the weaklings at their will (or necessity). A country that boast non failing banks but turns to the U.S. for help says something is wrong here.

 

[Yakno1]

Our federal drug policies started out as naive, perhaps even well-intentioned, but they quickly degenerated into daft political cowardice - one party worrying the other would use decriminalizing the laws as election fodder. And that of course doesn't take into consideration the lobbying of the drug, alcohol and tobacco companies, which, if they don't make money from this fake "war on drugs," are certainly worried that liberalizing the drug laws will eat into their profits. So, we have hundreds of thousands of people in jail for smoking weed, while allowing an enormous criminal drug industry to make billions of dollars off the suffering of others. This is the legacy of the idiotic drug laws -- and shame on any politician in office, liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat, Obama or Bush, for allowing this tragedy to continue.

I think it is a little hypocritical for those of you who happen to be pointing figures at Mexico to overlook the fact that we are the primary customers for Mexican drugs and we are also the major suppliers of illegal weaponry being used by the cartels. For us to sit around and suggest we don't have some responsibility for creating this very lucrative black market and for contributing to Mexico's violence is a pretty monumental case of brass cajones.

As Mexican I cannot agree more with you hotcoffee. I think our two countries need to assume their own part of responsibility in this issue. Most folks in the US need to understand that the violence we are living in some part of Mexico is a by-product of the American insatiable thirst for illegal drugs, smuggling of high-power weaponry across the border and the complicity of the American banking system. The US banking industry is a huge laundromat of dirty money coming from drug lords like "El Chapo"; however, it seems the neither the SEC nor the DEA seem to care that much. The US Government was able to chase down Osama and kill him in a remote village in Afghanistan. If the US Government was capable of such an achievement I cannot believe it does not have the means and power to track down the bank accounts that Mexican drug lords have active in American banks and seize all the money these guys have either in the US or in tax havens in the Caribbean. Please do not think I am throwing all the blame on the US. Again, this is a shared issue and each one of us needs to be accountable for its own part.

 

[The War Report]

America shoulders a lot of the blame for why Mexico has turned into hell. We have an insatiable appetite for drugs and The Mexicans jumped at the opportunity to fill that enormous demand by any means. There's a lot of profit to be made and prime real estate to fight over to smuggle these drugs. The War on drugs is a joke because it's a war on the lower class(poor people), usually minorities of black/brown skin.