UncleTomFord15
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There’s a serious war going on right now regarding Kamala Harris blackness and her lineage
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theworldismine13
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in the caribbean there is a lot of inter island migration and a lot of the politicians from an island have heritage from other islands, and also there are caribbean politicians with green cards and american citizenship, i wouldnt say its a big issue but it is an issue and it pops up once in a while, its not that big of an issue because said politicians are people that grew up in the island and they are black
so going back to kamala, i dont think its one thing, I think the thing about kamala is her indian side, Canadian side and not really being raised about around black people, being form california (very few black people) her husband, being post obama and her actual record, it all adds up to her not being black enough ie she is no shirley chisolm
Piff Perkins
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Prove it then. Links?
Because I sure as hell remember when Michelle was considered a potential detriment to the campaign and was receiving racist "she's too angry" attacks from republicans (and some Hillary democrats...).
After the fact with revisonist
Black people across the board was voting for him the moment he spoke and saw his mannerism. Especially older black women. It didnt matter, as long a black man was in office. The timing was good money. NO BODY was voting for him because of Michelle.
If anything you need to give credit to the organizations who mobilized young voters who went to all the black colleges and damm near had all the universities voting for him in blocs.
I was in virginia state university in 07-08. My parents are in their 70s now. My siblings are in their 40 nd 50s. Im in my 30s. NOT once was michelle a top factor in any of those demographics of why they voted for Obama..
Stop it.
be clear. this fighting amongst blacks is exactly what was wanted..for anyone considering to endorse Kamala based on color/ethnicity to reconsider by looking into her parents and lineage.
dont fall for it. they did the same to Obama
if you are going to vote for her based on policy and ability to lead so be it.
color, so be it. But do not allow people who are not black to tell you she's not black enough..
although she may not be Ados, she still inherits the racist stuff that we endure on a daily.
dont fall for it. they did the same to Obama
if you are going to vote for her based on policy and ability to lead so be it.
color, so be it. But do not allow people who are not black to tell you she's not black enough..
although she may not be Ados, she still inherits the racist stuff that we endure on a daily.
The only reason people are mentioning racism is because Donald Trump Jr. said that Harris isn't black enough to discuss the plight of black people.
Plight
a dangerous, difficult, or otherwise unfortunate situation.
"we must direct our efforts toward relieving the plight of children living in poverty"
synonyms: predicament, unfortunate/difficult situation, sorry condition, sad state, trouble, difficulty, mess, dire straits, extremity, bind;
Trump Jr. Alluded to racism, discrimination and hardships
xoxodede
Superstar
Sure - they were -- but who was by him -- Michelle -- Black American Michelle. Don't minimize that/her. Black American women SAW THAT too -- and that mattered a lot.
Piff Perkins
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There are valid ways to criticize Harris, especially on her record as a prosecutor. If Biden's views on busing from 40 years ago are fair game, so are Harris' actions as a prosecutor within the last decade.
Attacks on her identity or race are ignorant and stupid. Culture is fluid. Especially black culture, where we currently have a generation of young black people who are completely divorced from many/most of the things that we consider "black culture." There are certainly common things that are passed down...and yes the "struggle" of being black is one of them. All I know about Harris' childhood is that she grew up in fukking Oakland, when it was black and brown. She's fine on that front. The front that bothers me is her RECORD.
All that being said, while I don't think she'll be the nominee...if she is, I'd vote for her. I sure as hell won't be voting for her in the primaries, but if she wins and becomes the nom she has my support on election day.
Attacks on her identity or race are ignorant and stupid. Culture is fluid. Especially black culture, where we currently have a generation of young black people who are completely divorced from many/most of the things that we consider "black culture." There are certainly common things that are passed down...and yes the "struggle" of being black is one of them. All I know about Harris' childhood is that she grew up in fukking Oakland, when it was black and brown. She's fine on that front. The front that bothers me is her RECORD.
All that being said, while I don't think she'll be the nominee...if she is, I'd vote for her. I sure as hell won't be voting for her in the primaries, but if she wins and becomes the nom she has my support on election day.
Cant knock this. Feel if you was to say this to hardline older black democrats they would agree with you but they still see themselves in her because they vote by skin color
Nigerianwonder
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No it doesn't. First of all I'm actually 50% ADOS. But regardless there is much more to the black american experience than racism and discrimination. "black" culture is a major part of the black american experience. And historically black culture has been shaped, defined and molded by both ADOS and NON ADOS Black Americans. There is no separate ADOS specific culture. The two are and have always been intertwined and inseparable. From the ghettos we live and grow up in, to hip hops roots, jazz, art, civil rights leaders and movement etc.. You cant really draw a clean line of separation anywhere and thats the problem with the ADOS argument..
If she never claimed to be a decendant of american slaves then I don't see what the issue is.
xoxodede
Superstar
The issue is Black Americans -- see being Black American as an ethnicity/lineage -- not race/skintone.
Yeah there is a separate ADOS culture. And even though you are 50% your username shows the side you possibly identify/rep more correct?
See - the issue is you don't think ADOS has a unique culture -- and we do. And that ADOS culture is for everybody and created by all black people. Nah.
Everything you mentioned was shaped/created by ADOS -- and please remember most ADOS do not grow up and are around non-ADOS black people.
All in all -- ADOS culture is unique -- and it's specific. Sure, it's elements that people can engage in -- but we do have a separate culture.
Nigerianwonder
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I dont know where u grew up but your making a lot assumptions and sound like someone who didnt grow up in a major black city in America. I did. Most of your favorite hip hop pioneers are not ados but they shaped part of black culture. You cant prove any of my examples wrong..
The only ados specific cultures would be isolated groups like the geechee/gulah people in south carolina or down in NOLA. They dont speak to the whole black culture though and are not relatable to most ados blacks. Ironically because they are so culturally in tune with their slave roots and ancestry they have more in common with African and carribean immigrants than say an ados black kid from Detroit. Geechee folks speak a dialect of creole.
xoxodede
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I grew up in Michigan - but my family is from Alabama -- both sides. And spent every summer of my life in Alabama.
I don't care about Hip-Hop -- Hip-Hop is apart of Black American culture -- but it isn't the pinnacle. When I think of Black American Culture -- I don't think of Hip-Hop.
Specific ADOS Culture is all over the Black Belt and the U.S in general -- and in every ADOS home. It's many elements to ADOS culture. It's our history, traditions, customs - and more. It's unique -- and maybe your family wasn't engulfed in it -- by mine was -- and many others ADOS were as well.
Culture: the customs, arts, social institutions, and achievements of a particular nation, people, or other social group.
Nigerianwonder
Superstar
And tell me which part of that culture hasn't been touched or influenced by non ados blacks? I'll wait...
xoxodede
Superstar
Many parts. I don't know what non-ADOS do. But again - they are elements of our culture -- that we do not share with others. If you are not ADOS - then you don't get that. It's things we do - that others do not do. It's things we eat - others do not eat.
You think our culture is just music -- and it's not.
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