There’s a serious war going on right now regarding Kamala Harris blackness and her lineage

[Captain Crunch]

Still black. Still treated black. Still socialized as a black person. With this logic we held parades, celebrations and parties for absolutely no reason in 2008. Black people cried and felt joyous for absolutely no reason with this logic.

Stop listening to ADOS idiots. Just divisive garbage.

Dude you can’t just sidestep what I posted. Sure that Nigerian may be subjected to white supremacy, but that person’s wealth/opportunities and lineage are different than an ADOS person.

If I bring my future family over to South Africa, my children’s lives would be different from someone who is Zulu. My kids wouldn’t know what’s it life to have family that were imprisoned because of Apartheid. Nor could they speak on how black SA’s have no wealth, but the whites and Indians do. That doesn’t mean my kids aren’t citizens of SA, it’s just that they’re a different ethnic group and have a different experience than the natives.

 

[Reece]

We have never been united. And there is nothing wrong with having a unique identity. Everyone else has one -- we do/can as well.

ADOS is for reparations and ethnicity/lineage marker. All Black people do not share the same story, history, culture, lineage, ethnicity and plight.

So if a Black person with ADOS parents was born and raised in Nigeria for 20 years than came back to the States to run for office, would you say they represented black people? If not, you’re shooting your own argument in the foot (ethnic heritage vs. upbringing). The other side of this argument is that Kamala would be accepted in Jamaica when 9 times out 10 they wouldn’t because she’s Americanized and is for all extents and purposes a Black American woman.

 

[General Muck Muck]

Give me one example in American history where we got SPECIFIC relief where actual warfare wasn't going on?

Slavery ended because of a war. And don't even try to name the Civil Rights Bill. That was not specific relief for BLACK PEOPLE. It has helped white women more than anyone. This is one thing I agree with the ADOS community. Designations like minority and "people of color" is basically used by white supremacists as a way of never doing anything specifically for black people.

I'm just smart enough to realize that the only way we'll ever get SPECIFIC relief as black people is if we're willing to fight for it. Trying to go through the political process will never work cause white people don't give a fukk about us.

We don't need to kill anybody to celebrate the heritage of our people. To have pride in our unique history. Anybody who has a problem with that is the problem.


Everything black people fought for has been syphoned off to people who had nothing to do with the fighting because we accepted the umbrella of "minority" or "people of color" status with people who already had their own economic and foundational bases that we did not.

We aint all in the same fukkin boat.

Nobodies dumb enough to not understand that.

Its awareness the average black person I guess isn't supposed to have.

 

[xoxodede]

Do you believe ADOS are superior to blacks of the diaspora? Be honest

No. And what kind of question is that? Because, I AM PROUD of who I am -- and my ancestors and family -- that correlates to looking down on other Black people?

Do you want me (ADOS) to be ashamed? I know some people think being a descendant of those who were enslaved -- or being a Black American as nothing to be proud of -- but guess what -- I am. Super proud. Doesn't make me better. We are just not the same - we have different cultures, stories experiences, lineage and ethnicities -- and that's OK.

 

[Reece]

Well, my grannie who was born in 1919 was like -- what kind of name is Barack Obama and couldn't pronounce it.

And she saw him as Black -- be was was a Black "foreigner" - to her. But, she was proud no less.

How did they feel about him being anti-reparations -- being ADOS and having to go through Jim Crow and the CRM?

Nobody fukked with Barack. He was a foreigner to us - The Coli

Okay breh

 

[xoxodede]

So if a Black person with ADOS parents was born and raised in Nigeria for 20 years than came back to the States to run for office, would you say they represented black people? If not, you’re shooting your own argument in the foot (ethnic heritage vs. upbringing). The other side of this argument is that Kamala would be accepted in Jamaica when 9 times out 10 they wouldn’t because she’s Americanized and is for all extents and purposes a Black American woman.

IMO, No. They wouldn't. Sure, they would be ADOS. I don't even think Nigerians would see them as Nigerian. Correct?

 

[Box Cutta]

This is the first time half these candidates have called something racist. They damn sure don't want to talk about racism during the debates.

I also notice that the media has been calling this tweet racist instead of "racist".....

So BLACK AMERICANS questioning the ancestry of another presumed black person is "birtherism" now?

Where does colorism play into this?

fukking media implemented social control. I pray that there are more of us who can see through the veil.

Won't be long before they are trotting Obama out for his condescending, white-pleasing, shaming speeches.

 

[xoxodede]

Nobody fukked with Barack. He was a foreigner to us - The Coli

Okay breh

Loved the song. AGAIN - he was BLACK (race) -- but he was not Black American/AA in terms of ethnicity/culture. I don't know how you don't understand what I am saying...lol.

 

[Reece]

IMO, No. They wouldn't. Sure, they would be ADOS. I don't even think Nigerians would see them as Nigerian. Correct?

So your argument makes no sense. So who is Kamala supposed to serve if you just said someone who isn’t ethnically ADOS can represent you nor could someone who is socialized ADOS but not a descendant. This means she’s has no true place whether here or in Jamaica. What is she supposed to do then?

 

[xoxodede]

So your argument makes no sense.

Would Nigerians see him/her as Nigerian? Yes or No? Could he speak for Nigerians?

Again -- I am speaking on ethnicity/culture. If a ADOS was raised in Nigeria for 20 years -- whatever tribe/ethnicity/culture he was engulfed in there -- he knows most about.

He/She was disconnected and was not raised in around and engulfed in ADOS culture/communities/experiences. It's a beautiful/unique experience.

So, you think they are supposed to just automatically just know Black America/ADOS culture -- and represent ADOS cause they are ethnically ADOS -- but not culturally.

If you want to be real -- this is what happened to Black Americans -- we are connected to Africa due to our ancestors -- but I can't represent any country in Africa -- and speak for them -- just because my ancestors came from there.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

But she is a Black(race) Woman in America. She is subject to the same racism and prejudice other Black(race or ethnicity) people are.

This is why the whole conversation is not making sense. The black American experience is not dependent on being ados or not. She is well within her right to speak on being a black woman in America and any racism she may have experienced. Her being a c00n or bougie doesnt negate that either. Racist Cops dont ask whether you ados or not or whether your pro black or a c00n before shooting you. Plenty of c00ns get that wake up call.

That's fine -- and true. Again - -this is about ethnicity/culture. She is not apart of it.

Has Kamala ever actually claimed to be a descendant of black American slaves? Where is this talking point coming from? Did she actually say that during the debate? ( I didnt watch it)

 

[Reece]

Loved the song. AGAIN - he was BLACK (race) -- but he was not Black American/AA in terms of ethnicity/culture. I don't know how you don't understand what I am saying...lol.

You said Kamala doesn’t represent Black people. Obama doesn’t either with your logic and people disagreed heavily with it back in 2008.

 

[Reece]

Would Nigerians see him/her as Nigerian? Yes or No? Could he speak for Nigerians?

Again -- I am speaking on ethnicity/culture. If a ADOS was raised in Nigeria for 20 years -- whatever tribe/ethnicity/culture he was engulfed in there -- he knows most about.

He/She was disconnected and was not raised in around and engulfed in ADOS culture/communities/experiences. It's a beautiful/unique experience.

So, you think they are supposed to just automatically just know Black America/ADOS culture -- and represent ADOS cause they are ethnically ADOS -- but not culturally.

If you want to be real -- this is what happened to Black Americans -- we are connected to Africa due to our ancestors -- but I can't represent any country in Africa -- and speak for them -- just because my ancestors came from there.

You’re not making sense. Either someone is something because of genealogy and heritage or because of the shared life experiences. Nature or nurture. If you say Kamala can’t be in the boat because she doesn’t have parents who were descendants of slaves from the US, then your logic breaks saying someone with direct ADOS heritage isn’t “Black” because he or she was raised in Africa. It’s one way or the other. And I’d wager most black people would consider a Jamaican born and raised in the US more “Black” than a Black American born and raised in another country.

 

[xoxodede]

This is why the whole conversation is not making sense. The black American experience is not dependent on being ados or not. She is well within her right to speak on being a black woman in America and any racism she may have experienced. Her being a c00n or bougie doesnt negate that either. Racist Cops dont ask whether you ados or not or whether your pro black or a c00n before shooting you. Plenty of c00ns get that wake up call.



Has Kamala ever actually claimed to be a descendant of black American slaves? Where is this talking point coming from? Did she actually say that during the debate? ( I didnt watch it)

What is the "Black American experience" in your opinion? I"m sure that means racism and discrimination to you correct? That isn't what is means to me. Black American experience would mean Black American culture/ethnicity/history --- and everything that comes with it. Meaning it's more than having Black skin -- and being seen as Black.


She has always claimed she was a "child of immigrants" -- or bi-racial and something Indian-American. Yeah -- the issue is people think Black (race) = being Black American -- and we are saying Black American is an ethnicity/lineage - not just skin/race -- and that's causing the confusion.

 

[xoxodede]

You’re not making sense. Either someone is something because of genealogy and heritage or because of the shared life experiences. Nature or nurture. If you say Kamala can’t be in the boat because she doesn’t have parents who were descendants of slaves from the US, then your logic breaks saying someone with direct ADOS heritage isn’t “Black” because he or she was raised in Africa.

I am saying not only cause she isn't Black American/ADOS (ethnicity)-- but our culture/experience either. Just cause she went to an HBCU doesn't make you apart of Black American Culture. Being a Black immigrant or child of immigrants doesn't make your experience equal/same as a ADOS.