There is NO hip hop album from the 80s I can listen to in full

[Art Barr]

best Beasties albums

That does not include the whole story of the beasties discography.
as they changed sonic landscape and direction three times leading to those releases, you posted.

Imo, check ya head is my favorite beasties album and features the best beastie song for that rendition/era of the beasties.
Yet, it was completely a different direction.
Incomparison to other previous beasties incarnations.
Which until those two albums always featured a drastic change from the next.


Art Barr

 

[mrlongjohn10in]

I can't be believe a thread like this was made. Great music is timeless

 

[Art Barr]

or I've heard that album and it motivated this thread.

Y'all acting like these albums are infallible. I know OGs who couldn't stand Kane. Any rapper can be criticized.

I happen to like Kane. I love "Aint No Half Steppin" and "On The Bugged Tip". But the rest of the album? meh. "The Day You're Mine?" You actually listen to that song in full? Often?

The day you are mine

Used to honestly be one of the worst rap songs ever made for its time.
Then, was surpassed by ll's one shot at love.
Yet, once those types of piss poor.
ol school thought based love song type records.
Which were outlawed in the new school way of thought and Kane and LL were hold overs from the ol school way of thought.
Yet, incredibly young and beyond their actual years.
Still, never converted to the new school way of thought direction wise and why their cred/career culturally took a slight.
Plus, why they have their place in history with their facts background as artist culturally/artistically.
Yet, when the influx of major label new school way of thought style sellout artist all tried to make those style of records.
the results of those types of records were so consistently low in quality.
That, in revision those records would get really high marks, now.
Yet, those types of records should have been outlawed and never made again.
as, they create an degradation of the draw of rap and the actual artist making the record in the Long run.
All, because the conversion rate of quality and the lack of convincability of most rappers.
Brings the entire quality of rap down as a whole.
Including the pocket for those types of records and the bpm's of that record.
Are typically out of the technical know-how sweet spot of most rappers.
Plus, most rappers are not skilled enough to rock that slow a pocket on that style of production.
As rap is not rnb, and that style of record should have been phased out. Since, that style of record was not phased out, completely.
It has hung around like an albatross in the room, and will eventually lead to rap's impending demise as a draw.
As, there is no way consistently to create that style of record over and over again.
Without taking a credibility hit if massive almost career ending proportions.



Art Barr
It took LL, twenty years to remake I need love with love you better.



Art Barr

 

[erker]

or I've heard that album and it motivated this thread.

Y'all acting like these albums are infallible. I know OGs who couldn't stand Kane. Any rapper can be criticized.

I happen to like Kane. I love "Aint No Half Steppin" and "On The Bugged Tip". But the rest of the album? meh. "The Day You're Mine?" You actually listen to that song in full? Often?

Damn man, you bugging. You left out Raw, Set it Off and Word to the Mother(land). You don't like those?

Even Illmatic had One Time 4 your Mind, and that's my favorite album ever.

Long Live the Kane I can easily enjoy all the way through. I am with you on alot of 80's records, but not this one...

 

[onlylno]

And they shouldn't be? Given that hip hop is turntable culture and started with the DJ supplying breakbeats in a new, never-done way of looping?

The issue is that production, today, is used to distract people from how bad the rapping is.

Nah man, The beat and the rapper are always supposed to compliment each other. That balance between the emphasis on the beats and the rapping changes; depending on the context of the music. In some situations, the beats come first, and in others, they compliment the lyrics. But, there always has to be the right balance. (Very few artist achieve that nowadays)

Early hip-hop was primarily dance music. Functionally, the deejay came first and the MCing was meant to enhance that experience.
Rappers weren't being carried by the beats, Their job, at the very least, was simply to keep the groove from getting stale.
That tradition has continued on through Vanilla Ice, Hammer, Lil Jon, and whatever trap song is hot right now.

As the emphasis on lyricism grew, the production slowed down and adapted to match the new styles of rapping.

Right after that, the biggest problem is the shyt beats. People keep talking about how bad the rhymes have gotten. The beats are on a whole other level of pathetic.

Production is arguably better than ever. Your avi is just one example.

For better or worse, piracy and the internet has opened up the floodgates. Anybody can start making beats.

That means, we gotta deal with an over saturation of spectacularly generic beats,

it's also lead to innovation and some amazing instrumentals.

What's holding us back are copyright laws, a lack of formal music training, and the 808 sub kick.

 

[hex]

@SirBiatch I'm just curious, what year did you start listening to rap?

Fred.

 

[MusicConsulting]

And they shouldn't be? Given that hip hop is turntable culture and started with the Dbiggest problem with modern hip hop is the lack of originality. Right after that, the biggest problem is the shyt beats. People keep talking about how bad the rhymes have gotten. The beats are on a whole other level of pathetic.

That's not the real problem, the real problem is the turnover rate to have a record does NOT ALLOW virtually almost anyone to work on a track for an extended period of time. Thus the beats are subpar and the producer doesn't have time to build on his skills or his ideas.


Originality is not lacking in modern hip hop,the labels won't front the $ for that. A very small group of elite few around the world get to explore that but are seldom heard outside their chosen niche market.

 

[mobbinfms]

@SirBiatch I'm just curious, what year did you start listening to rap?

Fred.

He's been listening from the very beginning breh.

I'm old enough to know what's been going on with this hip hop shyt. I bought Slim Shady LP on tape the moment it came out.

 

[SirBiatch]

Production is arguably better than ever.

No it isn't. Not by a long shot.

Aint No Half Steppin is a better beat than 99% of modern hip hop. These new beats have zero charisma and are lifeless on entry.

Your avi is just one example.

My avi is the rare case where a new schooler got it right, and made some spectacular beats. That when you look closely, are in the vein of slowed-down RZA/Havoc with a pinch of Screw.

@SirBiatch I'm just curious, what year did you start listening to rap?

Fred.

seriously? as in "hip hop is my favorite genre", buying tapes and discussing rap? 1997.

when I first heard rap? 1993/1994.

 

[SirBiatch]

Damn man, you bugging. You left out Raw, Set it Off and Word to the Mother(land). You don't like those?

Even Illmatic had One Time 4 your Mind, and that's my favorite album ever.

Long Live the Kane I can easily enjoy all the way through. I am with you on alot of 80's records, but not this one...

One Time 4 Your Mind is absolute fire. It's one of the first tracks I ever loved off Illmatic. Real talk.

He's been listening from the very beginning breh.

Thanks for answering a question addressed solely to me, dikkrider

but to remembering everything I post, down to the quote. Biatch making waves round here.

 

[hex]

seriously? as in "hip hop is my favorite genre", buying tapes and discussing rap? 1997.

when I first heard rap? 1993/1994.

Eh. That's a bit late to really like a lot of 80's shyt top to bottom, so the thread is understandable.

Fred.

 

[Why-Fi]

youngest in charge
3 ft high and rising
straight out the jungle
lyte as a rock

 

[SirBiatch]

Eh. That's a bit late to really like a lot of 80's shyt top to bottom, so the thread is understandable.

Fred.

True.

Then again, I have a better judgment of what holds up. Because I'm not biased to that era. And frankly, I'm not even the one that put it out there like that. It's the older cats I know that say this about me.

A younger cat who is genuinely passionate about hip hop and does his/her homework can sometimes judge better.

And don't get me wrong - it's not like there is NO value in listening to Criminal Minded top to bottom. There's definitely value in doing so.

I"m just not gonna rush to play it endlessly like I do Supreme Clientele, Illmatic or even certain tracks off Live.Love.ASAP

youngest in charge
3 ft high and rising
straight out the jungle
lyte as a rock

All have 1 or a few brilliant songs, but I can't listen to them the entire way through.

Skits aside, 3 Feet High comes closest tho

 

[TMNT4000]

Straight Outta Compton.

 

[CACarot]

News Flash , old school music sucks and is generally overrated. It's all dated , and people rapped so basic. People just have nostalgia and the belief that they have to respect it , so they say it's good. Honestly I think Rap is the only music that doesn't age well. Yes I know there are some old songs that come on and you still bump but it's not like other genres.