Religion/Spirituality Theism Discussion (Abrahamic Religions, Religious Philosophy, etc.)

[Poitier]

What they're doing is fusing science and philosophy.

What if this is a computer engine and god is a mathematician?

 

[noon]

I also don't think people can be dismissive without evidence. To state that omniscience does not exist, one would have to be omniscient.

Dismissing a claim isn't the same as stating omniscience doesn't exist. Do you not get this?

 

[Poitier]

Dismissing a claim isn't the same as stating omniscience doesn't exist. Do you not get this?

Dismissing a claim is fine, but you were dismissing a possibility. It's more than reasonable to ask someone for evidence if they assert something but it isn't okay to state something isn't possible without evidence.

 

[noon]

We search for scientific truth, but at the same time understand God is the author of the laws we discover.

Yes. That last part is the part that's without basis. Those of us without religion just do the first bit. Get it?

 

[noon]

Dismissing a claim is fine, but you were dismissing a possibility. It's more than reasonable to ask someone for evidence if they assert something but it isn't okay to state something isn't possible without evidence.

I'm not saying something isn't possible. I'm dismissing a claim.

 

[Poitier]

I'm not saying something isn't possible. I'm dismissing a claim.

Well then our whole debate has been pointless.

 

[noon]

Well then our whole debate has been pointless.

All I did was point out the flaw in a theist's logic, and then you came at me with some "hands of God" babble.

 

[Poitier]

All I did was point out the flaw in a theist's logic, and then you came at me with some "hands of God" babble.

I wouldn't say lack of proof is a flaw, just a leap of faith. You have every right to dismiss it but to say it's not logical based on what we know currently is stating the obvious

 

[noon]

I wouldn't say lack of proof is a flaw, just a leap of faith. You have every right to dismiss it but to say it's not logical based on what we know currently is stating the obvious

Yeah, unfortunately a hell of a lot of people don't get the obvious.

 

[NoMayo15]

I wouldn't say lack of proof is a flaw, just a leap of faith. You have every right to dismiss it but to say it's not logical based on what we know currently is stating the obvious

Well that's the position of the atheist. One doesn't have to claim to know a higher force doesn't exist to disbelieve one does.

 

[Poitier]

Well that's the position of the atheist. One doesn't have to claim to know a higher force doesn't exist to disbelieve one does.

I guess. I think that's such a nuanced position that only the most boring person would take up and dedicate time to lauding it.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Yes. That last part is the part that's without basis. Those of us without religion just do the first bit. Get it?

Sure. You do the research, acknowledge the intricacy, marvel at it in all it's calculated glory and then call it all a coinsidence. That's fine. Who cares?

The only point I came in here to make was that science and religion don't rival each other and anyone who thinks they do doesn't understand one, the other or both.

 

[NoMayo15]

I guess. I think that's such a nuanced position that only the most boring person would take up and dedicate time to lauding it.

....Oookay?

Boring or not, it's the only intellectually honest position someone like me could take. ... Not to mention, the millions of other people who label themselves as atheist, or agnostic atheist.

 

[BlvdBrawler]

SMH, I knew quote miners of HL would see this and make the same dumbass conclusion. This, in no way, negates nor disproves big bang cosmology ... it builds on it. It challenges ideas of how the singularity came to be.

Stop making sense, breh.

 

[Poitier]

....Oookay?

Boring or not, it's the only intellectually honest position someone like me could take. ... Not to mention, the millions of other people who label themselves as atheist, or agnostic atheist.

Being "intellectual" is overrated. You lie with the worms. The strongest appeal that an intellectual can make will always fall short of a great emotional appeal. Postmodernism seems to be sound until you realize it's greatest achievement is kid's walking around being ironic