The World Without Africa

[reasonable_doubter]

you do know its a patriarchy right?

 

[1 other person]

The western world would just declare war.

 

[mbewane]

actually what you are saying provably false, india has as many impoverished if not more than africa and it has put satellites into space. China and Japan have both caught up with the west. so nah neither of you have a point. you just have defeatist attitude and are trying to find safe space from the white man

africans will never be safe unless they or we develop militarily and technologically so that is what black people should focus on

India is far from being an example. High level of nationalism, rampant rape risk for women, inequality, anti-muslim sentiment, etc. China neither, with a autoritarian regime that has no interest in environmental issues, currently operating a mass repression against its muslim citizens. And the whole "Great Leap forward" killed like more than 50 million lol. Japan was a power long before it had to "catch up" to the West, meaning before WW2.

The Soviet Union too was putting satellites in space, ain't no one want to emulate Russia though.

And what's with repeating ad hominems? If we want to go that what you sound like a follower, acting like all we can do is copy what others have done. Which is what African countries have been doing for decades, and yet here we are. Sounds like all you're saying is "The only answer is to follow the West". Which is like the essence of euro-centrism.

 

[MajesticLion]

So much to think about. What do U mean when u say tribal structures.

I misspoke, my fault. It's moreso tribal thinking than actual structure(s), even though there's a fair amount of overlap. It's a hodgepodge of various things like bottlenecks in the decision making(the big man has to be involved in everything + subordinates wanting to make big man decisions, ego battling ego), nepotism, debt handicaps like the Francophone stupidity with their former colonies, a reliance on outsiders for the tools for defense, and on and on and on.

I agree with what @theworldismine13 said regarding other pieces to the puzzle. Substitute China for Africa(just one example) and they'd have held the world hostage long since. They already have the manufacturing nailed down, the scientists, the universities to produce more educated people, their military is squared away, etc etc. Africa has any number of engineers, scientists and universities but nowhere near the level of manufacturing needed...and relatively few African nations produce their own weapons. That last bit of know-how has always been tightly controlled.

What I strongly disagree with is the idea that African nations need to emulate western countries to somehow "win" or "succeed". That is a sure path to doom. All that would result is a repetition of previous/ongoing mistakes with whatever African flavours tacked on. A better idea would be to rethink what success even means before rushing off to go chase the money. Satellites make little difference if your water sources have all vanished, or you've killed off all the fish.

 

[mbewane]

I misspoke, my fault. It's moreso tribal thinking than actual structure(s), even though there's a fair amount of overlap. It's a hodgepodge of various things like bottlenecks in the decision making(the big man has to be involved in everything + subordinates wanting to make big man decisions, ego battling ego), nepotism, debt handicaps like the Francophone stupidity with their former colonies, a reliance on outsiders for the tools for defense, and on and on and on.

I agree with what @theworldismine13 said regarding other pieces to the puzzle. Substitute China for Africa(just one example) and they'd have held the world hostage long since. They already have the manufacturing nailed down, the scientists, the universities to produce more educated people, their military is squared away, etc etc. Africa has any number of engineers, scientists and universities but nowhere near the level of manufacturing needed...and relatively few African nations produce their own weapons. That last bit of know-how has always been tightly controlled.

What I strongly disagree with is the idea that African nations need to emulate western countries to somehow "win" or "succeed". That is a sure path to doom. All that would result is a repetition of previous/ongoing mistakes with whatever African flavours tacked on. A better idea would be to rethink what success even means before rushing off to go chase the money. Satellites make little difference if your water sources have all vanished, or you've killed off all the fish.

This. The irony of wanting to "catch up" with a system/world that otherwise people here on the coli criticize lol. The West was built on mass murder, genocides, slavery, dictatorship, widespread environmental disaster and that's what we're supposed to emulate? Hell even in the West lots of people are finally starting to criticize the whole system and what is considered "success" or "development". That's the problem with wanting to play catch-up. The ones you want to catch-up with aren't waiting for you, they still moving forward. Africa's chance, if it manages to seize it, is precisely to bypass the so-called "path to development" (the Rostow euro-centric vision of development), learn from other's errors and find its own homegrown way.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

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What I strongly disagree with is the idea that African nations need to emulate western countries to somehow "win" or "succeed". That is a sure path to doom. All that would result is a repetition of previous/ongoing mistakes with whatever African flavours tacked on. A better idea would be to rethink what success even means before rushing off to go chase the money. Satellites make little difference if your water sources have all vanished, or you've killed off all the fish.

This. The irony of wanting to "catch up" with a system/world that otherwise people here on the coli criticize lol. The West was built on mass murder, genocides, slavery, dictatorship, widespread environmental disaster and that's what we're supposed to emulate? Hell even in the West lots of people are finally starting to criticize the whole system and what is considered "success" or "development". That's the problem with wanting to play catch-up. The ones you want to catch-up with aren't waiting for you, they still moving forward. Africa's chance, if it manages to seize it, is precisely to bypass the so-called "path to development" (the Rostow euro-centric vision of development), learn from other's errors and find its own homegrown way.

All this. Development, and dare I say politics too, have to be rethought outside of the European paradigm.

 

[JOHN.KOOL]

Gaddafi called for a Single African currency, we all know what happened to him cause of that sort of talk.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

I love y'all.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Nah that's never going to happen, if you want to fight for the environment you should stay in the west and fight it there don't be a coward by running to Africa

Africans want to develop so the environment will get worse before it gets better, Africans have no interest in your ideas

You sound hypercritical of “Africans” if we can even distill millions of nations and ethnic groups down to the opinions of one overarching label of Africans. Out of billions of people I’m sure MANY Africans are concerned with sustainability.

Also who said anything about cowardice and running to Africa. It sounds like u are here to discourage ideas almost like ur threatened by this concept of the continent consolidating its resources to benefit their own people.

 

[IrateMastermind]

The rest of the world would wage war on Africa. Winner take all.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Gaddafi called for a Single African currency, we all know what happened to him cause of that sort of talk.

Really?! I’ve always wondered about the undercurrents behind political leadership in 3rd world countries. Does the West just assassinate anybody who ain’t on board with their agenda or target them with media propaganda to justify our military presence and destabilization of their countries?

Could u expound on this?

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

you do know its a patriarchy right?

Gimme a bit more clarity with this concept....

 

[mbewane]

You sound hypercritical of “Africans” if we can even distill millions of nations and ethnic groups down to the opinions of one overarching label of Africans. Out of billions of people I’m sure MANY Africans are concerned with sustainability.

Also who said anything about cowardice and running to Africa. It sounds like u are here to discourage ideas almost like ur threatened by this concept of the continent consolidating its resources to benefit their own people.

Yep. Thomas Sankara was talking about sustainability in the 80s long before it was a huge topic as it is today. Wangari Mathai won the Nobel prize for her work against deforestation like 10 years ago.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

This. The irony of wanting to "catch up" with a system/world that otherwise people here on the coli criticize lol. The West was built on mass murder, genocides, slavery, dictatorship, widespread environmental disaster and that's what we're supposed to emulate? Hell even in the West lots of people are finally starting to criticize the whole system and what is considered "success" or "development". That's the problem with wanting to play catch-up. The ones you want to catch-up with aren't waiting for you, they still moving forward. Africa's chance, if it manages to seize it, is precisely to bypass the so-called "path to development" (the Rostow euro-centric vision of development), learn from other's errors and find its own homegrown way.

MORE OF THIS PLEASE.

One major point I’m underscoring here is that Africa has been the tit that has fed the ungrateful parasitic children of the world.

Africa doesn’t need to play “catch up” at all. So its countries can contribute to the majority of the worlds carbon emissions the way 1st world countries do?

If anything, when left alone, we need to take a page out of Africa’s book and learn how to do a lot with a little. And free of Western interference, it could flourish and progress slowly and steadily in a sustainable way that the West can’t grasp b/c it’s too busy clearing rainforests and courting an extinction level environmental crisis so that Chad and Becky can have Starbucks and IPhone 20.

But they aren’t the only ones guilty. All of us are suckling at the economic tit of Africa—and many are so resigned to our quality of life that we don’t want to even imagine living a lifestyle that wouldn’t be possible in a world without Africa.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

Yep. Thomas Sankara was talking about sustainability in the 80s long before it was a huge topic as it is today. Wangari Mathai won the Nobel prize for her work against deforestation like 10 years ago.

THAT PART RIGHT THERE!
A 700-year-old West African farming practice could be an answer to climate change

People so stupid to believe this backwards Africa shyt. The world has so many lessons to learn