The way I remember it, when NWA were in their prime Public Enemy was always bigger.

[Jigganaut]

I'm old but y'all nikkas old as fukk

 

[Art Barr]

I'm old but y'all nikkas old as fukk

It is only a number breh.
I am forty but feel better than I did when I was 19, and just starting to hit a bench. If you stay in shape you don't get those weird buffalo wings arms, the diabetus face, the weight etc. I feel totally fine..at 3am eastern I am about to hit this iron too.


Art Barr

 

[Aje]

I'm and just got into hip-hop when "It Takes a Nation..." and "Straight Outta Compton" dropped. I'd say this statement the OP Made was true until '91. It was about equal in '90 when "Fear of a Black Planet" and "100 Miles & Runnin' " dropped.

 

[Therht]

bless you OP




excellentthread

 

[FreshAIG]

I was like 4-5 when both were at their peak but I do remember seeing way more PE shyt than NWA shyt on TV.

 

[Animal House]

PE was bigger but I lived in Jerz back then

 

[Ron Fox]

You are completely wrong, after soc the video nationally debuted on 20/20.
The world's most dangerous group was larger than pe and definitely larger than the nwa, the national wrasslin alliance. [the nwa had no mainstream star on par with easy or nwa and cube] That is globally over a general audience.
to mainstream context to regular rap fan or real regular music fan.
I am not sure if you were cognitive back then. As on no day was flav bigger than ice cube and all of nwa's actual draw and fan base trickled over to cube and also dwarfed the fandom nwa and pe got.
Now granted flav's clock was a dope boi staple like c00n skin hat tails and white c00n skin hats were along with troop, taskforce, and medallions to lotto, bk, diadora and aj ii in the beginning of what would now be regarded as street wear. Yet on no day can anyone recite cold lamp'n like someone is going to just randomly remember:
If you fukk with me imma put my foot up yo ass.

[my dad's favorite rap album, that he even stole my nwa tape and I did not find it till we were stretched on the road in ravenswood Ohio as my dad had it playing getting stopped for a ticket and getting the whole schboozle as far as traffic stops].
Let alone all of fukk the police word for word and also in just school yard mythos. Nwa is the ultimate schoolyard rebellion record of any race, creed, age, era etc. As just the use of blatant excessive cuss'n to cover up flawed technical reverse engineered rhymes. On no day do i remember kids even knowing night of the living base heads. Culturally pe had more importance than nwa as a bboy. Yet in the general fan perspective. No fan to this day even remembers night of the living baseheads and originally and arguably still it is the best video ever made for rap. Way before pharcyde drop
Granted, Cube needed the cultural rub and association of PE culturally.
so he could be looked at differently amongst the admin turmoil.
Yet in that cube would have been just fine going at nwa and still being cube. He got the duke easier in battle automatically because he was connected to PE. Yet he still would have won that battle just off sheer perception and the disclosing of who he was opposed to easy and Jerry. Plus the remaining members of nwa making themselves into hanger on to be openly stiffed by easy. With cube telling them to survey their deals publically.
PE never had indepth pr to get bigger than nwa or ice cube. as cube and nwa are the first endorsed by the powers that be group in rap history. Just off that alone makes them larger than PE as PE had to culturally adhere to whom and what they were. Nwa never did and immediately as soon as nwa debuted on 20/20 with the video for soc. Nwa started to carve out being the world's most dangerous group as a mantra.
PE later on would gain 20/20 based viewership but it came much later after soc. Plus in the wake of the prof grif anti semantic pr repair job. Well after soc and nwa pioneered a culturally relevent non-sellout rap group for the time could be endorsed by the bigger media outlets and actually covered.

PE was big culturally and in the mainstream by trickle down and being the white person is down with black nationalism based movement. Yet in that nwa globally across the board did not need cultural hiphop acceptance. as they are the group that first superceded the culture to be a larger draw.
Nwa was larger than all of hiphop and its rap artist breh. While also being the group originally endorsed and not from the Mecca as well.

PE as not a larger general draw than nwa.

PE was culturally revere'd over nwa because of whom they were. Yet they were not larger than nwa. Nor did they draw in large impact immediately like nwa after being on 20/20 to debut soc the video. While also never having soc the video ever appear on tv again till the box debuted it's nostalgia based video programming years afterward. That is how large nwa in general perception to PE. Who with heav actually were the firs to make it to daytime radio. In an era when rap was not played on the radio during the daytime at all. As rap was completely banned in the daytime airing slots on every station. In that nwa was way larger and way bigger by word of mouth. Then even way bigger from actually being the first rap group to debut a video of 20/20, and have a dialogue as to why it was banned on MTV as well. Then never airing again for years as well.

Art Barr

PE could never be bigger than nwa in just simple timeline comparison. As no one bangs mpe but me more than likely. While I know people still bump nwa and the posse in its entirety as well as soc. Plus rap it word for word over ever race creed and actual male and female considering the subject matter.

LOL @ you cherry picking Cold Lampin'

Why are u leaving out the fact that for every Cube verse u name Flav was more popular with the ad libs?


"Kick That Shyt"

"Ya blind baby"

"Rock that shyt homie"

and the most popular,

"YEEEEAAAAAAAH BOOOOOOOOY!"

I dare you to say that those same kids u swear knew NWA verses weren't all saying "yeeeeahh boy"

And u are dead wrong about that PR...U just gonna ignore the outside PR i already posted? Tyson entering the ring to Welcome To The Terrordome?

T2? mind u this is all outside PR..not in house. When u have Outside PR it says a whole lot about what the outside is thinking of you.

I just posted the nominess for Soul Train awards from 89 - 91.....PE mentioned twice. Cube mentioned once..NWA mentioned never....And PE won in 91. This is Soul Train in 91 yet u say by 91 NWA was bigger. If they were bigger how come Soul Train didnt acknowledge?


Soul Train was mainstream.....Lets look at teh underground and you'll notice it coincides with what I said about NWA having the better album in 91. Notice they have NWA as #1 which I totally agree with yet they also have PE as # 4 which IMO there are albums beneath it that were better

The Source Awards for 1991

Straight from the January 1992 issue of The Source.

The awards were determined by polling 5,000 subscribers and 500 industry heads.

Artist of the Year
- Ice Cube

New Artist of the Year
- Naughty by Nature (I guess even then, they over looked the New Style release)

Album of the Year
- N.W.A. - nikkaz 4 Life

Single of the Year
- Geto Boys - Mind Playin' Tricks On Me

Top 15 Albums of 1991 (According To The Source)

1. N.W.A. - nikkaz4Life
2. Brand Nubian - All For One
3. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
4. Public Enemy - Apocalypse '91: The Enemy Strikes Black
5. De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
6. Main Source - Breaking Atoms
7. Geto Boys - We Can't Be Stopped
8. EPMD - Business As Usual
9. DJ Quik - Quik Is The Name
10. Naughty By Nature - Naughty By Nature
11. Chubb Rock - The One
12. Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
13. Nice & Smooth - Ain't A Damn Thing Changed
14. Gang Starr - Step Into The Arena
15. Scarface - Mr. Scarface Is Back



You say NWA was more popular amongst the schoolyard kids and I agree but why did u stress Cold Lampin and ignore the video I posted of Carton singing 911 Is A Joke? Those same schoolyard kids were reciting the chorus to 911 Is A Joke and u know it...... Wasnt no NWA songs being sung on Fresh Prince Of Bel Air and they named dropped Tragedy Khadfi as The Intellegent Hoodlum on that show.



I noticed how u mentioned whos playing what in 2017 and I totally agree NWA more then likely will have more people now flocking to it and I already pointed that out courtesy of the rebirths and NWAs impact but I'm talking about 88 - 91.


You see in 89 I was more attracted to NWA myself....But I cant lie to myself and say NWA was bigger because thats just not the case....You say Flav was more popular then Cube I totally disagree......Flav was just to big a celebrity over Cube in 1990 and by 1991. And you alligning Flav with being a c00n leads me to believe u might be a lil bias.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

PE was bigger but I lived in Jerz back then

that's what I'm saying.

PE def seemed bigger up here. plus they had a bigger profile/more exposure.
but at the same time, I see what hes saying about NWA being more genuinely popular across the map.

its all semantics I guess. GREAT THREAD.

and yea, I agree with @Art Barr about why public enemy didn't make it in the mid-90s. they were too old school, and legit old on top of that.

 

[Ron Fox]

Wait


Didn't DOC sell like 2x plat
And NWA barely went 3x plat now

Damn was doc that big

You see this all goes back to what I said about how NWA had rebirths which later helped their previous work. The same way Eminems Stan had people flocking to Dido cuz of the sample.... A few years later after DOC dropped his song, these guys sampled the intro of "Its Funky Enough" and soon this song became one of the biggest dance songs of all time. Everyone knows this song. Its been a part of sports arena theme music since the 90's. Tv shows movies, commercials.... This song has solidified DOC on a mainstream level more then any song that was produced by Dr Dre.

 

[mson]

Being black, positive, and anti establishment was at its peak back then.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

IN

 

[Art Barr]

00000000000000000000000000000022

I was like 4-5 when both were at their peak but I do remember seeing way more PE shyt than NWA shyt on TV.

that is because of the time.

PE and heav pretty much were the pioneers of rap being on during daytime tv and actual radio. Before heav and PE, absolutely no rap came on any outlet before seven pm on am radio.
So you would have seen more PE because they pioneered basic visibility for rap with heav did solely.

 

[Ron Fox]

This is all deflection as you still did not answer the quotables.

Like I said, if we asked any random person to recite the fill in the blanks part. People will easily and readily know the NWA lines. Yo yourself did not even know the lines. If you say pe is bigger.
Then why did you not answer the question and fill in the blanks.


Art Barr

Dude...I already said that you cherry picked Cold Lampin. Cold Lampin fool.....Thats the first thing I wrote......Thats the song.... u want me to play a silly game and say strawberry sasporella? That was a stupid test anyway cuz even if I didnt know I could just Google.


Here I can do the same;


PE

I got a letter from,....[fill in the rhyme]

Flav:

Don't Believe...[fill in the blank]

Nwa:

So slip the C-note, and you can choke.....[fill in the blank]


Thats why I questioned why u would cherry pick Cold Lampin when u know damn well there are quotables that can be easily recognized by PE just like the ones I posted. And that game is stupid. U to old to be playing silly fill in the blank games. This aint Wheel Of Fortune and you aint Pat Sajak

 

[Art Barr]

LOL @ you cherry picking Cold Lampin'

Why are u leaving out the fact that for every Cube verse u name Flav was more popular with the ad libs?


"Kick That Shyt"

"Ya blind baby"

"Rock that shyt homie"

and the most popular,

"YEEEEAAAAAAAH BOOOOOOOOY!"

I dare you to say that those same kids u swear knew NWA verses weren't all saying "yeeeeahh boy"

And u are dead wrong about that PR...U just gonna ignore the outside PR i already posted? Tyson entering the ring to Welcome To The Terrordome?

T2? mind u this is all outside PR..not in house. When u have Outside PR it says a whole lot about what the outside is thinking of you.

I just posted the nominess for Soul Train awards from 89 - 91.....PE mentioned twice. Cube mentioned once..NWA mentioned never....And PE won in 91. This is Soul Train in 91 yet u say by 91 NWA was bigger. If they were bigger how come Soul Train didnt acknowledge?


Soul Train was mainstream.....Lets look at teh underground and you'll notice it coincides with what I said about NWA having the better album in 91. Notice they have NWA as #1 which I totally agree with yet they also have PE as # 4 which IMO there are albums beneath it that were better

The Source Awards for 1991

Straight from the January 1992 issue of The Source.

The awards were determined by polling 5,000 subscribers and 500 industry heads.

Artist of the Year
- Ice Cube

New Artist of the Year
- Naughty by Nature (I guess even then, they over looked the New Style release)

Album of the Year
- N.W.A. - nikkaz 4 Life

Single of the Year
- Geto Boys - Mind Playin' Tricks On Me

Top 15 Albums of 1991 (According To The Source)

1. N.W.A. - nikkaz4Life
2. Brand Nubian - All For One
3. A Tribe Called Quest - The Low End Theory
4. Public Enemy - Apocalypse '91: The Enemy Strikes Black
5. De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead
6. Main Source - Breaking Atoms
7. Geto Boys - We Can't Be Stopped
8. EPMD - Business As Usual
9. DJ Quik - Quik Is The Name
10. Naughty By Nature - Naughty By Nature
11. Chubb Rock - The One
12. Cypress Hill - Cypress Hill
13. Nice & Smooth - Ain't A Damn Thing Changed
14. Gang Starr - Step Into The Arena
15. Scarface - Mr. Scarface Is Back



You say NWA was more popular amongst the schoolyard kids and I agree but why did u stress Cold Lampin and ignore the video I posted of Carton singing 911 Is A Joke? Those same schoolyard kids were reciting the chorus to 911 Is A Joke and u know it...... Wasnt no NWA songs being sung on Fresh Prince Of Bel Air and they named dropped Tragedy Khadfi as The Intellegent Hoodlum on that show.



I noticed how u mentioned whos playing what in 2017 and I totally agree NWA more then likely will have more people now flocking to it and I already pointed that out courtesy of the rebirths and NWAs impact but I'm talking about 88 - 91.


You see in 89 I was more attracted to NWA myself....But I cant lie to myself and say NWA was bigger because thats just not the case....You say Flav was more popular then Cube I totally disagree......Flav was just to big a celebrity over Cube in 1990 and by 1991. And you alligning Flav with being a c00n leads me to believe u might be a lil bias.

This is all deflection as you still did not answer the quotables.

Like I said, if we asked any random person to recite the fill in the blanks part. People will easily and readily know the NWA lines and title of the song. You yourself did not even know the lines. If you say pe is bigger.
Then why did you not answer the question and fill in the blanks of both pe records.
Also for you to cite sales and awards in a time not built on sales for rap being directly applicable at all. Completely hurts your stance. As you have no comprehension cognitively for the time at all to even post soul train awards, sales or even PE being used as mike tyson's entrance.
Of which can be looked at as a regional and cultural connection because mike is from NYC., and all your stances are cited because you are not cognitive about the actual time culturally or from a general fan perspective, etc.
You would get clowned even saying this shyt in public by regular hands and you know it.
I know PE and love PE,...i listen and bang mpe like kids bang modern day 808 trap.
Yet and still I know not to self equate my culture and my like for the regular person
. The regular person has no love for black nationalism and scope, production or content of PE. NWA fits right into and why it is the sweet spot of what entertainment exactly is currently in America. As NWA is the sweet spot of what America is currently and what America wanted to be and why NWA is what they are.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Dude...I already said that you cherry picked Cold Lampin. Cold Lampin fool.....Thats the first thing I wrote......Thats the song.... u want me to play a silly game and say strawberry sasporella? That was a stupid test anyway cuz even if I didnt know I could just Google.


Here I can do the same;


PE

I got a letter from,....[fill in the rhyme]

Flav:

Don't Believe...[fill in the blank]

Nwa:

So slip the C-note, and you can choke.....[fill in the blank]


Thats why I questioned why u would cherry pick Cold Lampin when u know damn well there are quotables that can be easily recognized by PE just like the ones I posted. And that game is stupid. U to old to be playing silly fill in the blank games. This aint Wheel Of Fortune and you aint Pat Sajak

No nikka you did not answer the first quotable and you did not answer the NWA lyric at all.
Which makes me think you have self equated this from your perspective. Which does not include ybrts and only includes after that. You are not judging this in time line from the beginning and when both groups ran into turmoil to start their destruction of their draw. Also you keep citing NWA in different incarnations and fail to realize the two incarnations of NWA were and are more popular than the first two incarnations of PE. Plus after the destruction of their draw, the members of NWA all had the largest drawing anything of any rapper in history amidst turmoil.
So how is or was PE bigger when every incarnation of NWA was always the larger general population draw.
How sway how?


Art Barr