The way I remember it, when NWA were in their prime Public Enemy was always bigger.

[drugxglory]

1991


1) Mike Tyson entering the ring of the Tyson vs Ruddock fight with "Welcome To The Terrordome" in the background. Considered one of the best enterances in boxing history. Ruddock left the ring that night with a broken jaw.

First time seeing this

 

[Ron Fox]

He had that big song in house party which if I remember right led to some weak solo work. But he was definitely popular because he was one of the faces of PE, who was huge at that time.

He was kind of a novelty though like Bushwick Bill.

We gotta remember this is the Do The Right Thing leather Africa medallion era, and PE was big everywhere.

NWA was huge too, but not as big out east whereas PE was big everywhere because of the pro Black message.

They were big enough that Cube felt that working with their producers was the move to make at one point after leaving NWA.

Exactly....When Flav did that song with Cube he had everone like Because Flav was talking filthy as if Cube was a bad influence but it was more like Flav was like "I can do the NWA filth shyt too"

This song was straight comedy and Flavs verse was quotable for comdey sake.

 

[3rd Ward Swangin]

was about to say.. De La & Beastie Boys were alot more popular back in '89..

same year DOC dropped if i remember correctly..

DOC was the most popular in 89.

 

[Victorious Secret]

Wondering why this matters at all...

 

[Ron Fox]

DOC was the most popular in 89.

DOC was more popular then LL in 89??

DOC was more popular then MC Hammer in 89??

DOC was more popular then Tone Loc in 89??

You sound like you been listening to The Coli for your info on how things were back in the day.

 

[3rd Ward Swangin]

DOC was more popular then LL in 89??

DOC was more popular then MC Hammer in 89??

DOC was more popular then Tone Loc in 89??

You sound like you been listening to The Coli for your info on how things were back in the day.

You sound mad you okay bro

 

[daboywonder2002]

I said he wasn't a rapper AT THAT POINT. How many LEAD songs did Flav have in 89? How many solo? 911 Is A Joke didn't even DROP as a solo joint until almost Summer 1990....like, WTF are you even TALKING about with this revisionist shyt?

The fact that you think he was the biggest rapper in '89 shows me that YOU DON'T know anything about rap or clearly have just now come to it in the past couple of years or so.

Why don't you put it to the rest of the forum?:

Will anyone who is old enough to know come in here and cosign OP that Flavor Flav was the most popular/biggest rapper of 1989?

He wasn't even close. 911 is a joke wasn't even that big of a hit. It was funny because it was flavor flav. but once the shock factor went away, it was a wrap. It's not even a classic one hit wonder which is sad.

 

[Ron Fox]

You sound mad you okay bro

I'm angry at how Hip Hop isnt as creative as it once was


PE was so creative that they took the intro of the song "black steel in the hour of chaos" were Flava Flav is talking to the crowd and made a whole song into it.


And the song was sick.

 

[gluvnast]

P.E. were indeed the BIGGER group. NWA were the more controversial. Cube new how important working with them when he left and P.E. are responsible in catapulting his solo career the way it catapulted.

NWA had the opportunity to get larger, but too much internal drama. When Cube left the following year to hook up with P.E. The whole consensus at the time was NWA was done. And P.E. were in their peak. shyt the biggest song in 1989 was FIGHT THE POWER.

 

[Ron Fox]

He wasn't even close. 911 is a joke wasn't even that big of a hit. It was funny because it was flavor flav. but once the shock factor went away, it was a wrap. It's not even a classic one hit wonder which is sad.

This is a lie.



"911 Is A Joke" was a big hit , a classic and was a very popular saying in the hood after that song dropped. And u saying otherwise is u telling on yourself that u either werent around or u trolling.



Here's Carlton immortalizing the song "911 Is a Joke"...This right here shyts all over everything u just said. Why was the audience clapping so hard?






Listen to what Martin says @ the 13:04 mark. Mind you this episode aired years after '911 Is A Joke' dropped




If "911 Is A Joke" wasnt a hit then why were 2 of the most popular Black shows in the 90's acknowledging it ?

 

[gluvnast]

was about to say.. De La & Beastie Boys were alot more popular back in '89..

same year DOC dropped if i remember correctly..

De La Soul were huge because of the crossover hit. Beastie Boys Paul's Boutique was a flop back then. It was revisited as a masterpiece years later.

 

[Ron Fox]

Wondering why this matters at all...

2 reasons

1) As time has gone by NWA seems to be pushed as this dominating group during the golden era...which they were but the part about PE being more dominating seems to get lost in the mix


2) Cold 187 sideways says that it was the PE sound influenced G funk

 

[Death6six6]

When, nwa came out it changed the entire consciousness and also shifted any common man away from the general idea of black nationalism in a complete racial one sided wave.

White people were the ones who made pe more than they were to standard black people. As they were setting up the prison industrial marketing complex and economy. Where Republicans do as Republicans always do. Make some undercurrent narcissistic lack of good faith based business using the U.S. government. Then dually to keep from being found out or if found out. Try to cover their asses by explaining what counter measures narcissistically.
they instituted in lower non-help based numbers to cover their ass.
Nwa being made into the group culturally in America over pe for the prison industrial marketing economy and complex is what the beginning issue is.

Back then nwa was a globally sweeping mantra.
That was damaging in any and every genre and thought process of the uncultured negro and black nationalist ideals
It is the exact point of change in the black community that can be pointed out.
As soon as eazy appeared at the white house.
black American nationalist and aware culture was being steered towards its doom.
I wish I could agree but in rap since nwa. things have been lead astray since that exact time.

It did not just start with death row.
It began EXACTLY WITH RUTHLESS RECORDS AND NWA.
Especially, once the admin issues of cube were pr'd and disclosed as well.
Which created a splintering motion that separated the black nationalist and aware mind of black people into the doldrums of prison industrial economy marketed based mind state.
that cripples all of black America currently and for the present future.
As black America grasped onto the damning ideals featured in the marketing of the prison industrial economy and complex forever damning and retroacting the black nationalist mindstate in America for ever.

Art Barr

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I think PE might have had more visible mainstreamness/acceptable crossover appeal because NWA was too r-rated but NWA was commercially bigger

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I always kinda looked at them as equals.