The way I remember it, The Big L hype online didnt start until after the Em shout out on GRODT

[Ron Fox]

As nice as Big L was he definitely been over hyped. When he died everybody was talking about how he was about to blow

Now this guy gets it.

 

[DMVLeGenD]

That first Big L album was above average. It was on par with Mic Geronimo and Smoothe Da Hustla's debuts

Album is a personal classic for me. I understand why some criticize the production, but beats were perfect for L. Just raw, hardcore, boom bap. He was spittin like shyt too.

Idc what anyone says, L was one of the most talented MCs ever and just knew how to grab people's attention wit his bars, and he was more than just a punchlines MC.

He's right on par with Pac, BIG, Pun, etc.

 

[Piffery]

Big L fans literally despise Jay Z online, like they literally think he's Satan and had the skill level of Vanilla Ice.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Album is a personal classic for me. I understand why some criticize the production, but beats were perfect for L. Just raw, hardcore, boom bap. He was spittin like shyt too.

Idc what anyone says, L was one of the most talented MCs ever and just knew how to grab people's attention wit his bars, and he was more than just a punchlines MC.

He's right on par with Pac, BIG, Pun, etc.

I like his debut as well but it isn't on par with the debuts from the greats imo

 

[Ron Fox]

Mannnnnnn we in here telling the truth this morning huh?

Let's keep it a buck. Stack Bundles was an average talent. I listened and I listened hard. He said nothing of note especially compared to a young Fab & Joe. I wouldn't say he was trash but this guy didn't say much of anything considering he was a punchline rapper. I hope the same people calling Dave East average aren't still bowing to the shrine of Stack

I have to co sign this.

 

[DMVLeGenD]

I like his debut as well but it isn't on par with the debuts from the greats imo

Respect. I still play it more than most albums though because he was spittin crazy.

 

[Ron Fox]

By 2003 file sharing blewup and his freestyle with the now GOAT level jay z helped, his song with big and pac, being associated with cam,mase,etc all had way more to do with L being popular than eminem.

I remember big L being in plenty of peoples top 10s circa 99-00-01 once he initially became popular with people who werent really hip hip fans. The same people with guys like 50 and em in their top 10s.




Maybe i need to ask people younger than me cuz my age group knew of big L well before 50 cents album or 50 cent period.

The problem with everything u are saying is that if u were so familiar with Big L then u should know damn well that he was overlooked and underrated. U keep arguing with people who are telling u this. My overall point is that dudes on the internet years after the fact overhype Big L as if thats how they were talking when he was alive. And anyone who was there knows they weren't talking like that back in the day, yes he was known and acknowledged by real hip hop heads but the overhype didnt exist when he was alive........and thats why I keep bringing up Lord Finesse because it stands out overhyping Big L when Finesse hardly ever gets mentioned. Like how can u overhype Big L and not mention Finesse?...thats why the overhype stands out.


Someone tried to agrue "oh well Big L surpassed Finesse" i'm like, nikka what? Yeah he surpassed him in death...but they were both stuck in the underground when L was alive and Finesse had more material out there.



You cant talk that shyt about knowing "Put It On" and say nothing about

Return Of The Funky Man




You cant talk that shyt about knowing "MVP" and say nothing about

Funky Technician




When Finesse was on Star and Bucwild way after Ls death , he played Funky Technician because he had to....it was a Finesse signature

So basically what i'm saying is if you stressing L but not stressing Finesse then u more then likely a bandwagin jumper caught up in the overhype.

 

[Unknown Poster]

I didn't know who Big L was until The Big Picture came out in 1999 and that was the same year he passed. Then I started listening to DITC heavy.

 

[Sir Brehsington]

I'm not arguing. I'm telling you the internet and Eminem are what gave big L his goat status

This thread is official. Like I said the day he died nggaz in NYC was call the radio like "WHO?"

You stretchin it breh...

nikkas KNEW who L was in NYC when he passed. COC, DITC, Clue freestyle etc etc

NYC born Jersey raised...cats was geniune sick when L passed.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

When are you saying Eminem hit? His first album dropped right around when L died.

Eminem shouting out Big L on GRODT *DID NOT* blow him up on the Internet.

 

[Polofresh4]

Do your homework. Jay-Z was virtually unknown in 95. Big L brought him along to Stretch and Bob.
If you were too young to know what was what, that's fine, but don't go making pronouncements about things you aren't fully aware on.

I feel like you not reading the title of the thread....Big L's hype ONLINE did not start until after em's shoutout etc, etc...

Was Big L known outside of that? Yes.

But lets not act like that freestyle did not put him on to a whole new, younger and widespread fan base. There are multiple people in this thread that are saying the same thing I am.

I also feel like we are ignoring the fact that Big L wasn't even that big when he died. In 1999, was he bigger than Em, Canibus, X, Pun? Is he bigger than Nore? In 1999, he's at best the 2nd most popular member in his own group. (COC is over by then but you get what I mean) Underground heads may have known him but on the INTERNET, he just wasn't that big.

So if you were in NY and of the age to listen to Stretch and Bobbitto, then yes, you would know that Big L was not the #2 in that regard.

But for the rest of the world and more important to THIS discussion about his ONLINE presence....he was just the other guy who rapped with Jay. No shade, no slight, no beef. Just how a lot of people circa 01/02/03 saw dude.

Other than that Jay freestyle, a lot of people's first listens to Big L was that Harlem's Finest tape that came out........2002 I believe.

 

[Ron Fox]

Eminem shouting out Big L on GRODT *DID NOT* blow him up on the Internet.

U keep misquoting........The Em shout out contributed to the Big L overhype thats on the internet.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

Saying L wasnt getting love like that until after he died is true.

Saying he wasnt getting online and underground/indie/backpack love until an Em shout out aint true at all tho.

That Big L/Jay-Z freestyle was one of the most popular files around during the Napster and Kazaa days. Big Picture went gold. I remember crazy L threads on SOHH around 2000, 2001 era.

So while I would argue most of his fanbase caught on late, it wasnt because of Eminem.

Exactly.

 

[Heavy_Handz]

The funniest thing to me is how he was a middle of the pack MC WHILE alive. He came off as a bootleg Big Daddy Kane to us NY heads in the mid 90s. Doesn't mean he was trash, but how he became "the go to" guy to say he was an unknown great years later is more about folks wanting to prove they "know hip hop." I remember being on a podcast with some white dude who that it was sacrilegious for me to say that, but I was like "I'm speaking from my experience when he was around."

Man, ain't that the truth. I remember going to war with heads about this shyt back in the day. Art Barr was always emotional talking about Big L & trying to front like he was a top notch MC even before he dropped his first album. Art Barr speaks mainly gibberish, so I actually never could truly understand what in the actual fukk he was trying to say

 

[thatrapsfan]

I thought this was a troll thread with three posts in a row cosigning OP

Anybody who claims Big L didn't have internet hype before Em ( no one even remembers this shout-out) wasn't on rap forums in the early days.

It's stating the obvious that L's hype came after death but it had nothing to do with Eminem.

Y'all are either too young or didn't get on the internet till too late with this revisionist history