The UFO/UAP disclosure thread

[KillerB88]

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[TheAnointedOne]

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

interesting.. but what i don't understand is now that we all have cameras and cameras that can instantly record HD and have the footage uploaded in seconds.. where's the HD footage at??

I get it

But think about how often people are staring at the sky with the phones handy videotaping at the same time that one of these instances happen within range of their phone camera. Then consider the length that people video tape on their phone (length of a snap chat video or something). And also consider that it is possible these crafts can detect when they are being monitored in one way or another.

I actually did have pictures on my shytty phone of it but I lost the phone like a week after returning to the states and this was in 2010 (before hd cameras on every phone).

 

[FlyBoy718]

Craft like what? I keep asking, over and over, for the specific videos that demonstrate the specific capabilities that you claim are impossible. Not just vague references to videos in general or "things people said." These are the same people who lied about UFOs before when they were really our own spy planes they didn't want to disclose, the same people who insisted that Saddam had WMDs and posed a threat to America. Give me hard evidence, not just cherry-picked opinions.

Some guy in the defense department claims he doesn't understand something. That doesn't mean that someone else doesn't understand it. They say they don't have any evidence of aliens, they just have some things they don't understand. Unless the things they don't understand are public, then they are pretty meaningless to me. Remember this?







That was based off of an incredible amount of intelligence evaluated by a huge # of people and dealing with something we know very well. And even with all that intelligence, they couldn't even tell the difference between a weather balloon project and a WMD factory. In this evaluation they have so little data that they're not even making a conclusion, they're just saying, "Well, the few of us who have looked at this don't know". The resources they devoted to it weren't even serious, hell, if you had any sort of serious program would you put Luis Elizondo in charge? (Not to mention that Elizondo himself claimed the government wasn't taking the stuff seriously.)

If there's any additional evidence of UFOs that's actually good enough to show something, then we'll see when they release it. So far everything released has been ordinary. And my guess is that if more is released then smart people who actually take the time to look at it will look at it and find it ordinary as well.





Thanks. And thanks for some of the rest of what you typed too. Just know that I don't take conjecture very seriously until it's backed with evidence, and all I've seen anyone give us so far is conjecture (or often not even actual conjecture but just mere unfamiliarity).

I'm just curious....when ask "what craft", are you acknowledging the videos released by the Navy? I noticed you threw around the word conjecture as well so I'm legitimately confused when you cite the "lack of hard evidence." Do you not consider the videos released to be valid or credible despite the audio of highly trained Navy pilots expressing utter amazement at what they're witnessing in real-time? Do these observers not qualify as"highly trained?" As far as no one capturing clear footage despite the preponderance of camera phones, a lot of organizations interested in this topic report receiving THOUSANDS of videos from the general population. However, after careful analysis the VAST MAJORITY are able to be explained, thus negating them from the "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" category and conversation. As I can only speak for myself, if I were to ever encounter such a craft, especially at night, it wouldn't be my first inclination to pull out my phone and start recording. I would legitimately be and much more inclined to pay attention to whatever I'm witnessing at the moment. I can't fathom equating observing a UFO with recording a random street fight while shouting "World Star!" in the background.

 

[Leavingtheecstasy]

I trust Luis elizondo more than any mf I've seen posted on the topic. He was the Head of UAP program and had to break rank to get us to this point putting a gigantic target on his back even though he had a fantastic career and could've waved this shyt off like he was told to and retired happy. He did it because he saw some shyt that he knew would change alot of our understanding of the universe. Watch the podcasts he goes on and what not. He's giving clear indications he knows there's more to this than Russia or China. But obviously he knows this is such an important moment in our history it has to be handled with the upmost care.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I trust Luis elizondo more than any mf I've seen posted on the topic. He was the Head of UAP program and had to break rank to get us to this point putting a gigantic target on his back even though he had a fantastic career and could've waved this shyt off like he was told to and retired happy. He did it because he saw some shyt that he knew would change alot of our understanding of the universe. Watch the podcasts he goes on and what not. He's giving clear indications he knows there's more to this than Russia or China. But obviously he knows this is such an important moment in our history it has to be handled with the upmost care.

Except that both government records and his own resignation letter show that he wasn't doing jack shyt with UFOs when he left the military, the program had been closed for years. Those are HIS words that the government wasn't taking it seriously and nothing was happening. Instead he joined To The Stars and is making an enormous amount of money.

Nothing about his background shows that he has any expertise on physics, technology, space, any of that. He was just another field agent who was obsessed with UFOs and worked his way into a non-serious assignment that the military didn't even care about but was only created so Harry Reid's rich friend could get a few million dollars in government money flowing into his own pockets. When the initial grant ran out the military did little to nothing to maintain the program, Elizondo complained, he eventually quit and then started making WAY more money with To The Stars than he ever would in the military (how do you think To The Stars ended up with a $33 million operating deficit anyway?). Now all he does is play up his own mystique and make a lot of goofy TV appearances where he drops vague information which he knows will lead to more views like every other grifter on those cable TV shows.

I'm just curious....when ask "what craft", are you acknowledging the videos released by the Navy? I noticed you threw around the word conjecture as well so I'm legitimately confused when you cite the "lack of hard evidence." Do you not consider the videos released to be valid or credible despite the audio of highly trained Navy pilots expressing utter amazement at what they're witnessing in real-time? Do these observers not qualify as"highly trained?"

We've discussed the Navy videos in detail right now. Two of the videos are clearly not showing anything at all extraordinary - one is just a slow-moving object at a distance whose relative speed is confused by parallax effect, the other just moves on the screen misleadingly due to the camera switching from tracking mode to static mode and switching from 1x to 2x zoom at the same time. As the videos I posted show, you can see that just by looking at the camera information provided on the videos themselves. The last video rotates due to a flare effect on the optics as the optics rotates. Nothing in those grainy videos shows a craft doing anything unusual.

And like I said many times, yes military pilots make ridiculous errors in observation all the time, sometimes errors so large they cause them to crash into the ocean or into each other. The idea that random guys in the military are perfect observers while they're distracted doing other shyt (especially in cases where they were primed to think UFOs were around, which is what usually happens when these observations come out) doesn't have any basis in reality. If you knew military pilots in real life you'd realize they were just unreliable dumbasses like the rest of us.

As far as no one capturing clear footage despite the preponderance of camera phones, a lot of organizations interested in this topic report receiving THOUSANDS of videos from the general population. However, after careful analysis the VAST MAJORITY are able to be explained, thus negating them from the "Unidentified Aerial Phenomena" category and conversation.

And out of those thousands of videos (and not just camera phones but high-quality digital phones too which many carry around with them all the time), where is the clear, high-definition video ever showing a non-human craft or entity?

As I can only speak for myself, if I were to ever encounter such a craft, especially at night, it wouldn't be my first inclination to pull out my phone and start recording. I would legitimately be and much more inclined to pay attention to whatever I'm witnessing at the moment. I can't fathom equating observing a UFO with recording a random street fight while shouting "World Star!" in the background.

Yet like you say there are thousands upon thousands of such videos....and all the videos keep being the blurry ones. Whereas the people who claim to see something unambiguously different and clear never, ever get it on video. And I know personally from doing a lot of photography, whenever you're able to pull a decent camera out (including any DSLR or bridge camera or high-zoom compact) you can get a lot MORE detail on that film than you could ever get with the naked eye. So to this point with these videos we're seeing a clearer picture than those observers were actually seeing in real time....and that picture isn't clear at all.

 

[Leavingtheecstasy]

Except that both government records and his own resignation letter show that he wasn't doing jack shyt with UFOs when he left the military, the program had been closed for years. Those are HIS words that the government wasn't taking it seriously and nothing was happening. Instead he joined To The Stars and is making an enormous amount of money.

Nothing about his background shows that he has any expertise on physics, technology, space, any of that. He was just another field agent who was obsessed with UFOs and worked his way into a non-serious assignment that the military didn't even care about but was only created so Harry Reid's rich friend could get a few million dollars in government money flowing into his own pockets. When the initial grant ran out the military did little to nothing to maintain the program, Elizondo complained, he eventually quit and then started making WAY more money with To The Stars than he ever would in the military (how do you think To The Stars ended up with a $33 million operating deficit anyway?). Now all he does is play up his own mystique and make a lot of goofy TV appearances where he drops vague information which he knows will lead to more views like every other grifter on those cable TV shows.




We've discussed the Navy videos in detail right now. Two of the videos are clearly not showing anything at all extraordinary - one is just a slow-moving object at a distance whose relative speed is confused by parallax effect, the other just moves on the screen misleadingly due to the camera switching from tracking mode to static mode and switching from 1x to 2x zoom at the same time. As the videos I posted show, you can see that just by looking at the camera information provided on the videos themselves. The last video rotates due to a flare effect on the optics as the optics rotates. Nothing in those grainy videos shows a craft doing anything unusual.

And like I said many times, yes military pilots make ridiculous errors in observation all the time, sometimes errors so large they cause them to crash into the ocean or into each other. The idea that random guys in the military are perfect observers while they're distracted doing other shyt (especially in cases where they were primed to think UFOs were around, which is what usually happens when these observations come out) doesn't have any basis in reality. If you knew military pilots in real life you'd realize they were just unreliable dumbasses like the rest of us.





And out of those thousands of videos (and not just camera phones but high-quality digital phones too which many carry around with them all the time), where is the clear, high-definition video ever showing a non-human craft or entity?





Yet like you say there are thousands upon thousands of such videos....and all the videos keep being the blurry ones. Whereas the people who claim to see something unambiguously different and clear never, ever get it on video. And I know personally from doing a lot of photography, whenever you're able to pull a decent camera out (including any DSLR or bridge camera or high-zoom compact) you can get a lot MORE detail on that film than you could ever get with the naked eye. So to this point with these videos we're seeing a clearer picture than those observers were actually seeing in real time....and that picture isn't clear at all.

He was in the intelligence/counter intelligence field for years

And his resignation letter clearly states why he left because they were putting up walls for him investigating the UFO's... lmao are you an idiot.

Are you always full of shyt or are you just especially smug and incorrect today?

Why does it bother you so much that there's life outside of Earth? Considering the massive size of the universe it's a literal fact. There's nothing on Earth that holds human life that's going 6000 G-froces. Idk why you're out here trying to be Mr. Skeptic, but they've got radar data on these fukks. You're turning out to be the conspiracy nut now.

 

[FlyBoy718]

Except that both government records and his own resignation letter show that he wasn't doing jack shyt with UFOs when he left the military, the program had been closed for years. Those are HIS words that the government wasn't taking it seriously and nothing was happening. Instead he joined To The Stars and is making an enormous amount of money.

Nothing about his background shows that he has any expertise on physics, technology, space, any of that. He was just another field agent who was obsessed with UFOs and worked his way into a non-serious assignment that the military didn't even care about but was only created so Harry Reid's rich friend could get a few million dollars in government money flowing into his own pockets. When the initial grant ran out the military did little to nothing to maintain the program, Elizondo complained, he eventually quit and then started making WAY more money with To The Stars than he ever would in the military (how do you think To The Stars ended up with a $33 million operating deficit anyway?). Now all he does is play up his own mystique and make a lot of goofy TV appearances where he drops vague information which he knows will lead to more views like every other grifter on those cable TV shows.




We've discussed the Navy videos in detail right now. Two of the videos are clearly not showing anything at all extraordinary - one is just a slow-moving object at a distance whose relative speed is confused by parallax effect, the other just moves on the screen misleadingly due to the camera switching from tracking mode to static mode and switching from 1x to 2x zoom at the same time. As the videos I posted show, you can see that just by looking at the camera information provided on the videos themselves. The last video rotates due to a flare effect on the optics as the optics rotates. Nothing in those grainy videos shows a craft doing anything unusual.

And like I said many times, yes military pilots make ridiculous errors in observation all the time, sometimes errors so large they cause them to crash into the ocean or into each other. The idea that random guys in the military are perfect observers while they're distracted doing other shyt (especially in cases where they were primed to think UFOs were around, which is what usually happens when these observations come out) doesn't have any basis in reality. If you knew military pilots in real life you'd realize they were just unreliable dumbasses like the rest of us.





And out of those thousands of videos (and not just camera phones but high-quality digital phones too which many carry around with them all the time), where is the clear, high-definition video ever showing a non-human craft or entity?





Yet like you say there are thousands upon thousands of such videos....and all the videos keep being the blurry ones. Whereas the people who claim to see something unambiguously different and clear never, ever get it on video. And I know personally from doing a lot of photography, whenever you're able to pull a decent camera out (including any DSLR or bridge camera or high-zoom compact) you can get a lot MORE detail on that film than you could ever get with the naked eye. So to this point with these videos we're seeing a clearer picture than those observers were actually seeing in real time....and that picture isn't clear at all.

Your characterization of the videos doesn't seem to take into account the awe and wonder these pilots are expressing during the actual encounters themselves. I fully agree with you that all humans are fallible. However when characterize these highly trained individuals as "random guys in the military" it appears you're downplaying the skill level it takes to operate in such as capacity. If YOU knew military pilots in real life you would have a greater level of appreciation for the work it takes to achieve that position. To essentially equate them to a 18 yo grunt in the Marine Corp is highly disingenuous. I'm not privy to a ton of news reports that detail military pilots regularly crashing into each other or the ocean so I doubt the veracity of that statement. As it pertains to the quality of UFO videos submitted to the aforementioned organizations, how do u know some of those videos that were debunked per se weren't filmed in HD? It strikes me that the tone prevalent in all of your rebuttals is you're know something the rest of us aren't aware of. Most of the brehs in this thread haven't even claimed they believe its "little green men" operating these crafts. Yet they're able to keep an open mind. At the end of the day, despite your scientific background(which is to be commended), YOU don't have any firm evidence to base any of your conclusions on. Which is something everybody in this thread has in common. Just show a little humility breh.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

I saw 3 triangular shaped flying objects while in croatia. It was night and I was on the shore with people. I watched them like wtf is that...they were in a perfect line with each other so I thought it was one craft of some sort moving slow. All of a sudden they darted away in different uncoordinated directions. I was legit like wtf. Did anyone else see that? I realized that most people dont 'waste their time' looking at the skies unless they are specifically out star gazing. These phenomenon probably happen way often than documented because of this. I also am not claiming them to be alien, just that they were unidentifiable and nearly impossible to be 'regular' craft

That’s very similar to what I saw.

And Exactly. Not everyone films them. Not everyone even speaks of it because they don’t want to look silly. I’d actually bet half the incidents at least go unreported.

And same here on not claiming it to be alien.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

interesting.. but what i don't understand is now that we all have cameras and cameras that can instantly record HD and have the footage uploaded in seconds.. where's the HD footage at??

I think a lot of it is people don’t really look up at the sky that much with their cameras ready to go. People don’t anticipate seeing these things. And with the one I saw, my instinct wouldn’t have been to film. I wanted to see it. I’m the time it takes to grab a phone, unlock it, and pull the camera up, you could miss one of the most unique things you might ever see. Also, I think in hindsight I’d still want to experience it with the naked eye and not watch it through an iPhone camera. Basically what @FlyBoy718 said

And there actually are some decent iPhone vids on YouTube. They’re mostly buried. If you search ufo or uap, most of the clips are news clips and documentaries and things like that. Due to the algorithm, some random person with no real YouTube account that just posts one random video isn’t going to get many views.

Lastly, according to the military, there are high quality videos of these things, but they’re remaining classified as of now. Hopefully that’ll change. And with the Nimitz Tic Tac videos, I don’t know if most people realize that footage was recorded miles away by jets that aren’t designed for surveillance footage—so that footage is definitely not going to look super crisp and clear.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Your characterization of the videos doesn't seem to take into account the awe and wonder these pilots are expressing during the actual encounters themselves. I fully agree with you that all humans are fallible. However when characterize these highly trained individuals as "random guys in the military" it appears you're downplaying the skill level it takes to operate in such as capacity. If YOU knew military pilots in real life you would have a greater level of appreciation for the work it takes to achieve that position. To essentially equate them to a 18 yo grunt in the Marine Corp is highly disingenuous. I'm not privy to a ton of news reports that detail military pilots regularly crashing into each other or the ocean so I doubt the veracity of that statement. As it pertains to the quality of UFO videos submitted to the aforementioned organizations, how do u know some of those videos that were debunked per se weren't filmed in HD? It strikes me that the tone prevalent in all of your rebuttals is you're know something the rest of us aren't aware of. Most of the brehs in this thread haven't even claimed they believe its "little green men" operating these crafts. Yet they're able to keep an open mind. At the end of the day, despite your scientific background(which is to be commended), YOU don't have any firm evidence to base any of your conclusions on. Which is something everybody in this thread has in common. Just show a little humility breh.

Also, I’d add that most fighter pilots indeed are reliable witnesses and experts at IDing things in the air. It’s so god damn hard to become a fighter pilot. It’s one of the most prestigious jobs in the military. They certainly don’t let idiots fly 67 million dollar pieces of equipment. There’s this big notion that they aren’t good witnesses, largely because of one case back in the 50’s/60’s (I forgot which decade) where a couple pilots legitimately mistook a weather ballon for a UFO. And their training is much much better now.

A lot of cynics (I wouldn’t even say skeptics) dig their heels in and insist that fighter pilots aren’t reliable witnesses, just because there’s been some mistaken identifications.

The reality is that the Nimitz encounter was seen by 4 fighter pilots’ eyeballs that all describe the same thing, and then more pilots that flew back up to go after it on FLIR, and it was corroborated by highly advanced radar with an expert radar tech. This tic tac crazy actively jammed the radar of the fighter pilots, and it knew where their CAT point was.

Pilots literally see these things daily, and the Navy is even telling them to watch out for mid-air collisions. These things are up there, and pilots have described the same crafts with the same behaviors for 70 years.

I think most people recognize that we’re beyond whether aircraft with ridiculous capabilities are there or not. I think only the most fanatic skeptics are still of the opinion that there’s nothing to see here.

 

[FlyBoy718]

Also, I’d add that most fighter pilots indeed are reliable witnesses and experts at IDing things in the air. It’s so god damn hard to become a fighter pilot. It’s one of the most prestigious jobs in the military. They certainly don’t let idiots fly 67 million dollar pieces of equipment. There’s this big notion that they aren’t good witnesses, largely because of one case back in the 50’s/60’s (I forgot which decade) where a couple pilots legitimately mistook a weather ballon for a UFO. And their training is much much better now.

A lot of cynics (I wouldn’t even say skeptics) dig their heels in and insist that fighter pilots aren’t reliable witnesses, just because there’s been some mistaken identifications.

The reality is that the Nimitz encounter was seen by 4 fighter pilots’ eyeballs that all describe the same thing, and then more pilots that flew back up to go after it on FLIR, and it was corroborated by highly advanced radar with an expert radar tech. This tic tac crazy actively jammed the radar of the fighter pilots, and it knew where their CAT point was.

Pilots literally see these things daily, and the Navy is even telling them to watch out for mid-air collisions. These things are up there, and pilots have described the same crafts with the same behaviors for 70 years.

I think most people recognize that we’re beyond whether aircraft with ridiculous capabilities are there or not. I think only the most fanatic skeptics are still of the opinion that there’s nothing to see here.

Absolutely. Not to mention the non-military professionals who work in the aviation industry such as commercial pilots and air traffic controllers. One particular incident that stands out is the Chicago O'Hare encounter in 2010 I believe. These folks literally observe all sorts of aircraft and aerial phenomena on a daily basis. Yet we're led to believe they're mistaken and that it was a hole punch cloud That theory was immediately debunked of course. Breh is so dug in on his stance he's actually sounding like the conspiracy nuts he's out to disprove. As if there weren't highly trained scientists who are aware of all the possible scenarios he rambled on about yet still came up with an inconclusive determination of what these things are. I guess he's privy to certain research methods that no one else is aware of.

 

[KillerB88]

They think we're dumb NASA has been highly dismissive of this topic for decades, but now this new chief is making it a priority to study it properly? All in his first month? No one forces the gov't to do anything. There's something obligating world governments to finally discuss this matter publicly. Very interesting.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Absolutely. Not to mention the non-military professionals who work in the aviation industry such as commercial pilots and air traffic controllers. One particular incident that stands out is the Chicago O'Hare encounter in 2010 I believe. These folks literally observe all sorts of aircraft and aerial phenomena on a daily basis. Yet we're led to believe they're mistaken and that it was a hole punch cloud That theory was immediately debunked of course. Breh is so dug in on his stance he's actually sounding like the conspiracy nuts he's out to disprove. As if there weren't highly trained scientists who are aware of all the possible scenarios he rambled on about yet still came up with an inconclusive determination of what these things are. I guess he's privy to certain research methods that no one else is aware of.

Exactly!

Skepticism is healthy. But I think there’s a difference between A: being hesitant until you see evidence and B: being so convinced none of this is possible that you’re already writing anything off before it’s even presented to you.

Thankfully, I think regardless, we are going to see more open and honest discussion about these phenomena from people on all sides, and the topic is already become way more destigmatized in just the past month.

I’m curious on the subject. I don’t want to believe anything. I’d definitely like an answer in my lifetime, one way or the other.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

They think we're dumb NASA has been highly dismissive of this topic for decades, but now this new chief is making it a priority to study it properly? All in his first month? No one forces the gov't to do anything. There's something obligating world governments to finally discuss this matter publicly. Very interesting.

Thanks for posting this!

It’s so refreshing to see NASA looking into this. There are definitely astronauts that have reported seeing things, as well as people living on space stations, etc.

We’re in a new era. It sounds like the new NASA chief definitely is taking this seriously and wants to make it a priority at NASA to study these UAPs. The stigma is going away and it’s great.

Edit: What I’m about to say is purely speculation. But I wonder if part of NASA’s sudden interest to help figure this out is the imminent privatization of space travel. You know if Elon Musk sees something up there, he’s posting an HD picture of it on social media

I wonder if (assuming anyone knows more than they’re letting on) that they want to ease the public into it since they realize it’s imminent that the info will get out one way or the other.