The UFO/UAP disclosure thread

[KushSkywalker]

There are basically 2 possibilities.

Another country/organization advanced 1000s of years in physics and propulsion technology and created these.

Or

Another species 1000s of years ahead of us in physics and propulsion technology created these.

Short of recovering proof of a secret program, the math behind the physics, or recovering a craft itself. There is really no way to prove the origin.

What is getting lost in this argument of origin and the need for some people to be dismissive of certain possibilities is the technology itself.

Another country getting thousands of years ahead in technology and understanding of physics is practically just as amazing and mysterious as it being ET.

So while we all arrogantly laugh at each other while both having no real evidence of origin can we take a second to appreciate what is being observed here?

To break the sound barrier without making a sonic boom would indicate the propulsion has nothing to do with the air around the vehicle. To stop and turn on a dime at those speeds should crush the vehicle or it's inhabitants. Like do you understand how amazing this is?

The fact movement like that is documented and verified to be happening is just incredible. But we wanna argue about shyt no one can prove yet.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No one said this - stop lying. We stated that the government confirmed UFOs were real - not aliens.

Here you claim I was lying, and then just a few lines later:

If anything, these statements just help confirm what UFO believers have claimed all along - this is not earthly technology.

So I'm lying when I said y'all thought government would confirm aliens...but then you say the government is confirming aliens.



And then you dap the very next guy saying:

There are basically 2 possibilities.

Another country/organization advanced 1000s of years in physics and propulsion technology and created these.

Or

Another species 1000s of years ahead of us in physics and propulsion technology created these.

You said, "The only possibility is that it's Earthly or its aliens...and it's not Earthly!" Literally doing the:

None of the fukking fuzzy dots were "1000s of years ahead of us", what would that even mean?

 

[Micky Mikey]

I have a feeling this will be the pretext for a new arms race. Based on what we already know about the report its basically eveything I thought it would be. The government is never going to say its aliens. However, the admisssion that they don't know what these crafts are should be the main concern. I have little doubt they're going to use this phenomena as a justification for more military spending by putting the blame on Russia and China. In actuality these crafts have been spotted all over the world and have also eluded our foreign adversaries.

If the common masses really want to know the truth of these crafts we'll have to crowdfund some type of indepedent research project. It isn't in the interest of national security for the government to do full disclosure (and perhaps for good reason).

 

[Agent Mulder]

Here you claim I was lying, and then just a few lines later:




So I'm lying when I said y'all thought government would confirm aliens...but then you say the government is confirming aliens.



And then you dap the very next guy saying:




You said, "The only possibility is that it's Earthly or its aliens...and it's not Earthly!" Literally doing the:

None of the fukking fuzzy dots were "1000s of years ahead of us", what would that even mean?

Bro I’m on record saying that I don’t think this is little green aliens flying in spacecraft. I seriously don’t believe that - FRFR.

But I do know that most ppl, including yourself, believe at face value what the US government says. And right now, they’re saying this is not our top secret spacecraft and they don’t understand the speed, maneuvers and underwater movement they’ve captured on radar and film. Oh, and they’ve ruled out those darn camera glitches you’ve brought up in the thread a few times already


So for the record, thus far, these UFO’s are NOT:

- Weather balloons
- Top Secret air/spacecraft
- Camera Glitches (lol)
- Hoaxes

I’ve seen you blame these things on weather balloons, camera glitches and even military personnel who don’t know what they’re looking at. But that’s all been ruled out - these are real unexplained UFOs - so please, explain to us how you were “right” @Rhakim

On the contrary, you have been wrong SEVERAL times in this thread and I suspect you’ll continue to dish out explanations that can easily be bushed.

Meanwhile, we’re just here pointing out what ppl have been saying for over 50 years - there’s UFOs flying around doing sh!t we can’t explain. Seems like you’re just mad that the US government is finally publicly agreeing and siding with the nerds

 

[KushSkywalker]

Here you claim I was lying, and then just a few lines later:




So I'm lying when I said y'all thought government would confirm aliens...but then you say the government is confirming aliens.



And then you dap the very next guy saying:




You said, "The only possibility is that it's Earthly or its aliens...and it's not Earthly!" Literally doing the:

None of the fukking fuzzy dots were "1000s of years ahead of us", what would that even mean?

Where did I say it was aliens? I’m saying we have no proof either way and each potential answer is equally incredible.

The feats the craft were pulling off are far beyond anything we’ve ever built (that we know of) and well beyond what our understanding of physics currently allows for.


To be able to break the sound barrier without a sonic boom. Transition between air and water with no effect on the surroundings or signs of propulsion. And to change directions at those speeds so quickly with no disturbances to the air or damage to the vehicle. Is amazing.

Our current understanding of physics and level of propulsion technology is nowhere near being able to do that.

Thousands of years ahead is just an estimate, there’s no real way to prove how much of a gap in technology it is literally. But it’s certainly not just one step up from where we currently are. We didn’t skip from horse n carriage to electric car in one step.

My point is if we are behind these, and humans are building and controlling them. Then somewhere on earth a group of scientist, engineers and physicists all made the single largest leap in technology so far in human history. I am not telling you this is impossible. I am simply telling you that this in and of itself is amazing as well. And should warrant such a reaction from the public. It’s a big deal either way.

The stuff some of these craft are doing is incredible and should be treated with the appropriate amount of awe. If we made them then somewhere on earth we made one of the greatest discoveries/ advancements in human history and it was kept from everyone.

That’s practically just as interesting as it being ET and certainly possible.

Unless you would like to offer a 3rd explanation.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Where did I say it was aliens? I’m saying we have no proof either way and each potential answer is equally incredible.

You full well know that no other nation is "1000s of years" ahead of us in technology. That's not even possible by definition - if they have the technology right now then it's not 1000s of years away, is it?

Those nonsensical statements are annoying in this discussion, because people keep saying "1000 years ahead of us" when that means absolutely nothing. It's a meaningless statement. It's just another way of claiming that something is currently completely impossible for humans.

The feats the craft were pulling off are far beyond anything we’ve ever built (that we know of) and well beyond what our understanding of physics currently allows for.

Show me a single video of a craft pulling off feats beyond what our understanding of physics allows.

To be able to break the sound barrier without a sonic boom.

I haven't yet seen a video showing a UFO even moving at supersonic speeds. But "breaking the sound barrier without a sonic boom" isn't 1000 years ahead of us, Lockheed Martin and NASA are working on a huge passenger jet right now whose sonic boom even at the point of action will be no louder than a car door slamming.

If you do have video of a craft unambiguously moving at supersonic speeds, please demonstrate.

Transition between air and water with no effect on the surroundings or signs of propulsion.

I haven't seen a single example of that, the one video I saw which claimed to show that (the heart-shaped Chinese lanterns) were obviously just terribly small objects on the screen which occasionally disappeared due to overactive image processing. They weren't going in and out of the water, they never changed direction or got near the water at all, they were just blipping in and out and confusing people with a poor sense of perspective. And if a weather balloon sunk into the water or something like that, what "effects on the surroundings" would you even see in these grainy videos?

If you do have video of a craft unambiguously entering the water with "no effect on the surroundings", please demonstrate.

And to change directions at those speeds so quickly with no disturbances to the air or damage to the vehicle. Is amazing.

Where are you even seeing video clear enough that you can tell whether there's damage to the vehicle or not? And the only video I saw which claimed to show craft changing quickly was obviously just a camera switching modes from static to tracking and chancing the zoom level from 1x to 2x.

Do you have video of a craft unambiguously changing speeds at a rate which would challenge the laws of physics?

My point is if we are behind these, and humans are building and controlling them. Then somewhere on earth a group of scientist, engineers and physicists all made the single largest leap in technology so far in human history. I am not telling you this is impossible. I am simply telling you that this in and of itself is amazing as well. And should warrant such a reaction from the public. It’s a big deal either way.

It seems quite obvious to me that that hasn't happened - there's a gigantic community all working together and no small group would ever be able to advance both theory and practical application so far past the larger community through so many steps without outside help. And you couldn't get outside help without disclosing what advances you'd already made. No breakthrough like that has ever come in secret - even the rush to build an Atomic Bomb was happening in at least 3 different countries simultaneously using 100s of scientists each cause everyone in the scientific community knew the theories that made it possible and they were developed over 35 years.

Unless you would like to offer a 3rd explanation.

That people make poor assumptions based on limited data.

I mean come on, the proof that Iraq had WMDs was far, far better than this, and we know how that turned out. Even with a ton of data to work off of people in the military can make very, very large errors. In these cases any individual event includes hardly any data at all.

I'm still waiting for the first clear photos of a craft that is unambiguously a craft and unambiguously not terrestrial. And that still hasn't come even close to happening.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm really lost as to what the point is here - from what I can tell y'all are spinning a government report that 100% didn't do what you hoped it was going to do by hyping up vague general statements with no evidence or conclusions. Over and over y'all have claimed that our government is hiding something, but now you're taking the vaguest statements with no evidence at 100% face value. Why?

But I do know that most ppl, including yourself, believe at face value what the US government says.

False. I follow logic and Occom's razor to evaluate any government claims.

And right now, they’re saying this is not our top secret spacecraft and they don’t understand the speed, maneuvers and underwater movement they’ve captured on radar and film.

On the first they've openly lied about that before as I already showed you, so why would you believe them now? But for the record I don't believe any of the videos publicized recently are likely to be showing top secret American spacecraft.

On the second statement that's meaningless without context. There are many times in our government when one entity or spokesperson claims they don't know or understand something while a different one has a complete explanation already (see: numerous times with Covid).

Oh, and they’ve ruled out those darn camera glitches you’ve brought up in the thread a few times already

I have yet to see them even discuss specific explanations for specific videos, much less rule out that particular explanation. Can you link to where they specifically debunk those explanations for those videos?

So for the record, thus far, these UFO’s are NOT:

- Weather balloons
- Top Secret air/spacecraft
- Camera Glitches (lol)
- Hoaxes

Once again a meaningless statement - which specific UFO are you even speaking off where those explanations are ruled out completely? You're just leaping off of vague generalized statements with no evidence again.

I’ve seen you blame these things on weather balloons, camera glitches and even military personnel who don’t know what they’re looking at. But that’s all been ruled out - these are real unexplained UFOs - so please, explain to us how you were “right” @Rhakim

Once again, when you're not even talking about a specific video, specific explanations aren't being discussed, and no evidence is provided, this claim is completely meaningless. You're taking a vague government statement and assuming it applies to whatever you're thinking of, that it is correct, and that it is the result of a perfect, flawless analysis. Even though you haven't seen any evidence for any of that.

For people who claim to not trust government, you're awfully gullible.

On the contrary, you have been wrong SEVERAL times in this thread and I suspect you’ll continue to dish out explanations that can easily be bushed.

Yet you can't quote a single false statement I've made that has been proven wrong with evidence.

Meanwhile, we’re just here pointing out what ppl have been saying for over 50 years - there’s UFOs flying around doing sh!t we can’t explain. Seems like you’re just mad that the US government is finally publicly agreeing and siding with the nerds

The US government has said literally nothing that they didn't already say in Project Blue Book which I read about in detail when I was a pre-teen. Why would I be mad when I told you months ago that this is exactly what would happen.

 

[FlyBoy718]

The report pretty much confirms what I expected. If anything, I pleasantly surprised the government "admitted" these weren't American aircraft and that they couldn't explain exactly what was flying in the video. Nonetheless, I doubt anybody expected them to state they had evidence of extraterrestrial life. The FACT these crafts have been observed is both exhilarating and terrifying at the same time. I'm low key happy with the progress this subject matter has achieved over the past 20-30 years.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Government Finds No Evidence That Aerial Sightings Were Alien Spacecraft

They’re never going to say it’s aliens until the scientific criteria to say so is beyond met.

But they’re letting people connect the dots. Our government is saying it’s not us, and it’s not in the inventory of anyone we know of, and it’s technical capabilities are far beyond anything we know of.

It’s not that hard to connect the dots.

And btw I was a huge skeptic until I encountered a black triangle in June of 2010. What I saw was very advanced, be it from earth or not.

The report pretty much confirms what I expected. If anything, I pleasantly surprised the government "admitted" these weren't American aircraft and that they couldn't explain exactly what was flying in the video. Nonetheless, I doubt anybody expected them to state they had evidence of extraterrestrial life. The FACT these crafts have been observed is both exhilarating and terrifying at the same time. I'm low key happy with the progress this subject matter has achieved over the past 20-30 years.

Exactly my thoughts.

this was never going to be the blowout report.

 

[TheAnointedOne]

This is just a ploy to increase funding for the Space Force.

 

[FlyBoy718]

They’re never going to say it’s aliens until the scientific criteria to say so is beyond met.

But they’re letting people connect the dots. Our government is saying it’s not us, and it’s not in the inventory of anyone we know of, and it’s technical capabilities are far beyond anything we know of.

It’s not that hard to connect the dots.

And btw I was a huge skeptic until I encountered a black triangle in June of 2010. What I saw was very advanced, be it from earth or not.





Exactly my thoughts.

this was never going to be the blowout report.

Care to share any details breh?

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Where did I say it was aliens? I’m saying we have no proof either way and each potential answer is equally incredible.

The feats the craft were pulling off are far beyond anything we’ve ever built (that we know of) and well beyond what our understanding of physics currently allows for.


To be able to break the sound barrier without a sonic boom. Transition between air and water with no effect on the surroundings or signs of propulsion. And to change directions at those speeds so quickly with no disturbances to the air or damage to the vehicle. Is amazing.

Our current understanding of physics and level of propulsion technology is nowhere near being able to do that.

Thousands of years ahead is just an estimate, there’s no real way to prove how much of a gap in technology it is literally. But it’s certainly not just one step up from where we currently are. We didn’t skip from horse n carriage to electric car in one step.

My point is if we are behind these, and humans are building and controlling them. Then somewhere on earth a group of scientist, engineers and physicists all made the single largest leap in technology so far in human history. I am not telling you this is impossible. I am simply telling you that this in and of itself is amazing as well. And should warrant such a reaction from the public. It’s a big deal either way.

The stuff some of these craft are doing is incredible and should be treated with the appropriate amount of awe. If we made them then somewhere on earth we made one of the greatest discoveries/ advancements in human history and it was kept from everyone.

That’s practically just as interesting as it being ET and certainly possible.

Unless you would like to offer a 3rd explanation.

Very fair report of things. I went from skeptic to believing there is a there there *after* I saw one rise out of the ocean maybe half a football field away from me around 10pm in June of 2010. I still don't say that what I saw was alien/ET, but it was incredible technology, and it's not ridiculous for people to connect the dots when our own government and intelligence agencies are telling us they don't know what these UAPs are.

A big thing the Pentagon and DOD is doing right now is to try and encourage pilots and other service members to report their sightings, both to get more intel on these crafts, as well as to help kill the stigma of talking about them.

As is evident by some of the replies in this thread, it's no wonder that even highly trained military personnel and scientists are still scared to talk about this topic, due to fear of being laughed at and ridiculed. We can't even have an open and honest discussion yet.

I think a big part of the new report is to help ease us into a new paradigm where it's not as crazy of a shift to discuss and evaluate these incidents more openly.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

Care to share any details breh?

100% breh. I used to live maybe 2 miles from the beach, and I'd often go out there at night to run by the water. This was off the coast of NC by the way. It was June of 2010. I ran really close to the water, because too far away from it and the sand would get too soft to run in (I was running barefoot in those days.) I'd often stop and just face the ocean to feel the breeze. When I was facing the ocean, a triangular shaped object came up out of the ocean. There was an orange light on the end of each point of the triangle.

I could tell that it was a solid object because I couldn't see the stars or the ambient light of the moon behind the object. So it didn't look like 3 separate lights, but rather an actual triangle shaped object. It was maybe 2/3rds of a football field away from where I was standing. Maybe more or less. I don't want to confidently say, because I know untrained human beings are terrible at judging distance, especially at night.

The object hovered at what looked like a couple hundred feet above the water for maybe 30 seconds. Then, without making a sound, it zoomed off and upwards at an angle (not straight up) as fast as I could follow it with my eyes. Have you ever seen Vietnam movies where you see the tracer rounds being fired at night? The bullets with the phosphorus? That's what it looked like when it sped off.

About 5 minutes later, I could hear jets and helicopters flying overhead (I didn't live too far from a military base) and I got freaked out and got the fukk out of there. Turns out some of witnesses reported the event from a different part of the same beach (they were at a yacht club that was not that far from where I was standing) and after that, I did anonymously report the incident to MUFON, as silly as that may sound. I wish cell phone cameras had been more of a thing back then. I'd have definitely video recorded it if it happened today. I didn't get an iPhone until 2011, so I had a stupid blackberry curve.

Definitely the craziest thing I've ever seen that didn't involve death, injury, or some other crazy shyt that happens between people. It left a lasting impression and made me stop being a ufo skeptic. I think about that night often.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

And btw I was a huge skeptic until I encountered a black triangle in June of 2010. What I saw was very advanced, be it from earth or not.

I went from skeptic to believing there is a there there *after* I saw one rise out of the ocean maybe half a football field away from me around 10pm in June of 2010. I still don't say that what I saw was alien/ET, but it was incredible technology,

From 60-70 yards away the amount of detail you could get on a large object would be fantastic.

So many people with so many sightings.....and yet still no clear pictures/video. Maybe you didn't have a camera in 2010 but a LOT of people did, often very good ones, and then have them now and some people have had them for decades. And yet we never ever see clear video to match the claimed sightings, and we probably won't until home video editing/manipulation goes up another notch.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

From 60-70 yards away the amount of detail you could get on a large object would be fantastic.

So many people with so many sightings.....and yet still no clear pictures/video. Maybe you didn't have a camera in 2010 but a LOT of people did, often very good ones, and then have them now and some people have had them for decades. And yet we never ever see clear video to match the claimed sightings, and we probably won't until home video editing/manipulation goes up another notch.

Did you read the part where I was out for a run? Like, strenuous exercise? I don’t even remember if I had my phone on me. I was in gym shorts and a t shirt.

I tell you what, my first instinct was not to film. In hindsight it’s easy for me to say that. But at the time I was so astounded by what I was seeing that my instinct was to just…watch.

I’m not making any claims that I saw an alien man. I’m not sure why you’re coming at me wild here. I’m as a solid a poster as you’ll find on the Coli. I’ve been here since the move from SOHH. I’m sincere, cool to everyone, and I’m definitely not one to troll or fukk with people.

The guy asked me to share my story and I did. I’m telling you what I saw. I’m not saying definitely what it was, because I have no evidence what it was. I can only say it wasn’t some damn Chinese lanterns or swamp gas, and the military was there within 5 minutes or so.