The truth about Kobe Bryant

[Jram]

So what exactly are we guaging who is the best by? Because were you old enough to actually see Magic and Bird and Kareem play to give some kind of non statistic approach of who was the the best. And seriously what the fukk are these terms and who created them?

The non statistical approach isn't to important here, in my opinion, because it's not like Kobe's intangibles are better than Wade, Duncan, Garnett or other players I'm comparing him too that don't have the reputation he has.

Don't knock the statistics becsuse you don't understand them.

I watch basketball, and also see the value in stats, because as lnog as they are put in context they are an objective reflection of what happens on the court.

To answer your question, look at per game numbers to see who is better, not career gross totals. We know Karl Malone scored more total points than Shaq and Jordan. So be consistent. Don't give me career totals in this discussion. Look at the overall picture. One guy having more points just means he played longer in this case.

 

[Jram]

You ain't heard? Lebron ain't got 5 rings or magical game winners

So Bill Russell is better than Jordan and Pippen is better than Hakeem.

It's about total rings?

LeBron been in the league nine years, a big enough sample size to conclude he's better than kobe given that he laps him by nearly every statistical results.

Bron finally got all star teammates, and he magically got a ring.

Just like Kobe only got rings when he had all star teammates.

 

[MoneyTron]

I have no idea why it is so hard for people to acknowledge that Wade is at least equal to Kobe.

 

[Bilz]

*disregarded after reading thread title*

Predictable that something titled "the truth about Kobe Bryant" would be something you'd want to ignore.

 

[lachreyatarbabypits]

The non statistical approach isn't to important here, in my opinion, because it's not like Kobe's intangibles are better than Wade, Duncan, Garnett or other players I'm comparing him too that don't have the reputation he has.

Don't knock the statistics becsuse you don't understand them.

I watch basketball, and also see the value in stats, because as lnog as they are put in context they are an objective reflection of what happens on the court.

To answer your question, look at per game numbers to see who is better, not career gross totals. We know Karl Malone scored more total points than Shaq and Jordan. So be consistent. Don't give me career totals in this discussion. Look at the overall picture. One guy having more points just means he played longer in this case.

So your basing this off per game stats? Not total stats? So why are you saying Wade and Kobe are equal when Kobe had played twice as many games?

 

[verbaltelekinesis]

I have no idea why it is so hard for people to acknowledge that Wade is at least equal to Kobe.

Wade career: 25.2 ppg, 6.2 Apg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 spg, 1.0 bpg, 48.6 FG%, 25.7 PER, 56.6 TS%, 50 eFG%.

Kobe career: 25.4 ppg, 4.7 apg, 5.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 0.5 bpg, 45.3 FG%, 23.4 PER, 55.4 TS%, 48.6 eFG%.

Stop acting like it's unfair to say. The fact of the matter is Wade has the same averages than him and he's more efficient.

People defer to career totals (He's fifth all time in scoring!!), which is a mark that is a testament to Kobe's longevity and time he entered the league (17 y/o), not a mark of being better.

If not, people are obsessed with the fact that he has five titles. Yes, he does, but put it in context. Wade doesn't get those first three with Shaq? Stop playing team results. Titles are a team accomplishment and Kobe has NEVER won a playoff series without Gasol/Shaq.

Kobe is terrific, but I'm just telling you the truth, and backing it with facts.

Statistically, he doesnt' seperate himself from Garnett/Duncan/Wade yet people set him apart from them.

 

[Jram]

So your basing this off per game stats? Not total stats? So why are you saying Wade and Kobe are equal when Kobe had played twice as many games?

Wade has been in the league nine years. We've seen his best, and we've seen Kobe's prime too. We know who they are, regardless of who played more. Obviously they're careers aren't over so when it's all said and done we have a more complete picture, but I'm not with jus tsaying someone is better than another because they played more.

Malone scored mroe than Shaq and Jordan. Reggie Miller played more games than Oscar Robertson.

It's about per game production over a large sample. We have large samples on them both (Wade, Kobe)

 

[lachreyatarbabypits]

Wade has been in the league nine years. We've seen his best, and we've seen Kobe's prime too. We know who they are, regardless of who played more. Obviously they're careers aren't over so when it's all said and done we have a more complete picture, but I'm not with jus tsaying someone is better than another because they played more.

Malone scored mroe than Shaq and Jordan. Reggie Miller played more games than Oscar Robertson.

It's about per game production over a large sample. We have large samples on them both (Wade, Kobe)

SO when did Kobes prime end because the man is still dropping 25 plus a game. Wade is already proved to wear quicker so Wade will not be putting up these numbers his whole career. I'm really trying to figure out how your saying Wade is equal to Kobe. If its per game stats then alot of SGs are equal to Kobe then because they put up the same career numbers. I dont care anymore if it helps you sleep at night be my guess.

 

[Jram]

SO when did Kobes prime end because the man is still dropping 25 plus a game. Wade is already proved to wear quicker so Wade will not be putting up these numbers his whole career. I'm really trying to figure out how your saying Wade is equal to Kobe. If its per game stats then alot of SGs are equal to Kobe then because they put up the same career numbers. I dont care anymore if it helps you sleep at night be my guess.

We'll, no, a lot of people don't put up Kobe's numbers. The only comparable 2-guards historically are Jerry West and Dwyane Wade. You won't find another one in that range.

As I explained, a player with higher career totals isn't better, it just means they played longer. Bryant has the shinier legacy, I'm not saying otherwise, but most of that is circumstances, not his will.

I have you the numbers. They speak for themselves.

 

[Still Benefited]

So Bill Russell is better than Jordan and Pippen is better than Hakeem.

It's about total rings?

LeBron been in the league nine years, a big enough sample size to conclude he's better than kobe given that he laps him by nearly every statistical results.

Bron finally got all star teammates, and he magically got a ring.

Just like Kobe only got rings when he had all star teammates.

Did Kobe need another allstar player plus one of the top 10 greatest players to ever play the game in Dwayne Wade to win any of his titles?

:childpleasese: I didn't think so....what's your next argument Shaq=Dwade and Bosh?


Kobe been that nikka for a decade,not the best since Jordan but a lot of that not even being a discussion is becuz he had Shaq...u can't say he didn't have the tools....circumstances held him back as much as they helped him succeed..

 

[Jram]

Did Kobe need another allstar player plus one of the top 10 greatest players to ever play the game in Dwayne Wade to win any of his titles?

:childpleasese: I didn't think so....what's your next argument Shaq=Dwade and Bosh?


Kobe been that nikka for a decade,not the best since Jordan but a lot of that not even being a discussion is becuz he had Shaq...u can't say he didn't have the tools....circumstances held him back as much as they helped him succeed..

Wade had lingering knee issues this postseason, but still. Your going to knock him because he has a great team? I've been saying this whole thread it's a team accomplishment and I'm not overrating people because of titles. I ONLY used individual production.

But liek you said, not the best since Jordan. That's what I'm sayin

 

[Jplaya2023]

I have no idea why it is so hard for people to acknowledge that Wade is at least equal to Kobe.

Wade career: 25.2 ppg, 6.2 Apg, 5.1 rpg, 1.8 spg, 1.0 bpg, 48.6 FG%, 25.7 PER, 56.6 TS%, 50 eFG%.

Kobe career: 25.4 ppg, 4.7 apg, 5.3 rpg, 1.5 spg, 0.5 bpg, 45.3 FG%, 23.4 PER, 55.4 TS%, 48.6 eFG%.

Stop acting like it's unfair to say. The fact of the matter is Wade has the same averages than him and he's more efficient.

People defer to career totals (He's fifth all time in scoring!!), which is a mark that is a testament to Kobe's longevity and time he entered the league (17 y/o), not a mark of being better.

If not, people are obsessed with the fact that he has five titles. Yes, he does, but put it in context. Wade doesn't get those first three with Shaq? Stop playing team results. Titles are a team accomplishment and Kobe has NEVER won a playoff series without Gasol/Shaq.

Kobe is terrific, but I'm just telling you the truth, and backing it with facts.

Statistically, he doesnt' seperate himself from Garnett/Duncan/Wade yet people set him apart from them.

It's a well known fact Kobe had to sit the bench the first 2 years for a superstar like eddie jones to start.

So if you take those 2 years away, then come back at me.

Also, Kobe has 2, count them TWO scoring titles. How many does STD have?

How many 81 point games, or 40 point games does wade have? Did wade ever outscore a conference champion in 3 quarters? Did wade ever win rings with a sissy in paul gasol and a gimp in andrew bynum, or a candy man nikka in lamar odom?

You take away kobe's first 2 years, his 05 season where he was hurt, his 2010, 2011, and 2012 season in which he played with 9 fingers ( no gerald green), a shredded knee, and lock jaw, his numbers would be this.


Kobe career: 32.4 ppg, 7.7 apg, 8.3 rpg, 5.5 spg, 2.5 bpg, 55.3 FG%, 43.4 PER, 75.4 TS%, 88.6 eFG%.

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

Damn, Kobe stans sound real hurt. I'm out before this gets ugly.

 

[Jram]

It's a well known fact Kobe had to sit the bench the first 2 years for a superstar like eddie jones to start.

So if you take those 2 years away, then come back at me.

Also, Kobe has 2, count them TWO scoring titles. How many does STD have?

How many 81 point games, or 40 point games does wade have? Did wade ever outscore a conference champion in 3 quarters? Did wade ever win rings with a sissy in paul gasol and a gimp in andrew bynum, or a candy man nikka in lamar odom?

You take away kobe's first 2 years, his 05 season where he was hurt, his 2010, 2011, and 2012 season in which he played with 9 fingers ( no gerald green), a shredded knee, and lock jaw, his numbers would be this.


Kobe career: 32.4 ppg, 7.7 apg, 8.3 rpg, 5.5 spg, 2.5 bpg, 55.3 FG%, 43.4 PER, 75.4 TS%, 88.6 eFG%.

Using total 40 point games and an outlier game (81 points) as part of your argument is very incomplete. It's even worse than you select five single season to take out to accentuate the numbers, which are wrong.

And your being awfully disrespectful to Gasol. Yea, he's stunk the last two postseason, but in 09 and 10, check the playoff numebrs, dude was making a killin.

 

[Jplaya2023]

Using total 40 point games and an outlier game (81 points) as part of your argument is very incomplete. It's even worse than you select five single season to take out to accentuate the numbers, which are wrong.

And your being awfully disrespectful to Gasol. Yea, he's stunk the last two postseason, but in 09 and 10, check the playoff numebrs, dude was making a killin.

Kobe Bryant - 1 81 point game

STD Wade - 0 81 point gam

understand?

Gasol was a nobody before kobe. Kobe from what i heard taught gasol how to play basketball and gave him his game. He couldn't do anything before kobe made him a HOF.

How many players have wade turned into first ballot HOF's?