The truth about Kobe Bryant

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

just calling out your stupidity son....

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[GreatestLaker]

nikka that is not Prime MJ..That is one of his seasons..

MJ avged 37.1 ppg in a season and avg 35ppg several other times..

Ya'll make me sick wit this shyt..

He's not seein Mike AT ALL nikka..

MJ averaged 37 because he shot a lot. Nearly everyone agrees 91 was MJ's prime.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

MJ averaged 37 because he shot a lot. Nearly everyone agrees 91 was MJ's prime.

He avged 48% from the field..

He was efficient..

Please stop.. your embarassing yourself..

 

[GreatestLaker]

He avged 48% from the field..

He was efficient..

Please stop.. your embarassing yourself..

You don't think 91 MJ could have averaged 37 points if he took the same amount of shots?

 

[Black Hans]

In Kobe's career, the closest he ever came to being considered the definitive best player in the game was the 2007-2008 season when he won MVP. Before that, it was Jordan, Shaq, Garnett, Duncan, Wade (for a minute), and Lebron. Even Durant has got more "best player in the world" mentions than Kobe. That doesn't mean Kobe isn't a great player, but it does mean putting him in the top 5 all time is . He's on the same level as Dirk Nowitzki, who is a top 20 all time.

 

[GreatestLaker]

In Kobe's career, the closest he ever came to being considered the definitive best player in the game was the 2007-2008 season when he won MVP. Before that, it was Jordan, Shaq, Garnett, Duncan, Wade (for a minute), and Lebron. Even Durant has got more "best player in the world" mentions than Kobe. That doesn't mean Kobe isn't a top ten player, but it does mean putting him in the top 5 all time is . He's on the same level as Dirk Nowitzki, who is a top 20 all time.

Everyone had Kobe as the best player in the NBA from 05-06 to 07-08.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

You don't think 91 MJ could have averaged 37 points if he took the same amount of shots?

Why do you keep referencing "91" MJ as if all the damage he did before that year was irrelevant?

You obviously did not see MJ from the gate with the Bulls..

Kobe was never the athlete that Mike was.. Kobe did not reek havoc on the league like MJ did.. Kobe had one year where he was actually in Mike's atmosphere and that was in 05-06 when he avged 35 after Shaq bounced.

MJ's whole career was like that..

 

[ItzDaKiing]

Why do people always say Kobe is a chucker? I mean his position is SHOOTING guard isn't it? Aren't they supposed to SHOOT? I mean correct me if im wrong tho.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Lol at wade being equal to kobe
Without shaq or lebron, He has passed da first round ONCe in a weak ass eastern conference.

And even besides dat
Anyone who watches a actual can see the difference in skill leve

Even now and bean Isnt in his prime anymore

I give up on some Of yall

 

[FAH1223]

Kobe isn't touching Jordan

 

[HacksawJimThuggin]

so Kobe was the undisputed best player in the world after this happened?


NBA Playoffs: Greatest Finals performances -- No. 1 - ESPN

 

[Jram]

I just notcied a mjor flaw in dudes argument. You saw your counting per game but your not counting PLAYOFFS. Put playoffs in their then lemme see the Wade v. Kobe stats. And Wade will never touch Kobe not because of stats but because of the sentimental value Kobe has to us. All those games where he just went OFF. The 81, the 61 at the garden those 3 straight 40 point games with a broken shooting finger. Kobe is just the Gawd of this era and nothing will sway from that.

EXACTLY my fukking point.

People of this generation overrate Bryant because of a sentimental attachment.

His legacy is tremendous, but all I said is, objectivelty, he isn't the best since Jordan or of his time, at least you can't prove it statistically or with intangibles that other superstars have as well.

BTW Bryant's playoff digits are lower than his regular seasons for the career.

Dude's first finals we're worst than Lebrons in 2011 too. It's just convinient to forget.

 

[Jram]

Truth is, n!ggas been hating on Kobe since he came in the league. People hate to see dude succeed.

GTFOH with all that "sidekick", winning titles as the man bullshyt. How come we don't hear that BS logic with anyone else, but with Kobe we always hear it. Magic only won 3 FMVP to his 5 titles, yet no one says he was carried? Kareem only won 2 FMVP, to his 6 titles, yet no one said he's carried? Duncan nor Shaq won the FMVP to their 4 titles, yet no one says THEY were carried? Bird won FMVP 2 times and he has 3 titles, yet no one said he's carried. But with Kobe, is all this "sidekick, as the man" bullshyt. MAN GTFOH. If you not gunna use this petty ass logic with them, don't use it with Kobe. or wait, it doesn't fit that kobe hater logic does it. wack ass.

Kobe was putting up almost same numbers as shaq during playoffs. He even scored more at times. NO one (Not even MJ) would've won FMVP over Shaq. He's the most dominant player EVER, why the fukk does Kobe not getting credit? yall act like dude was fisher out there.

You say Kobe's never won without a HOF big man. But how come no one mention Shaq needed an ELITE WING (Kobe, Wade) to win? Has he won shyt without an elite wing? Shaq and Kobe didn't start winning until Kobe became a FULL starter anyway, but n!ggas don't realize that do they? Did Jordan ever win without Pippen? Pippen made it to the 2nd round, should've been ECF without Jordan. Yet no one mentions Jordan constantly was knocked outta the first round without Pippen?

But with Kobe it's a whole nother story right? Man fukk outta here. The face that Kobe has a chance to win another ring is making all these stans insecure (Bron and Jordan).

No matter what Bullshyt yall come up with, yall can't take away the fact that dude has 5 rings, 2FMVP, 1MVP, 2 scoring titles, numerous all nba/defense/all star selections. And i haven't even mentioned his impressive scoring feats. FOH.

I'm going by individual production. And your absolutly wrong for saying Kobe has the same statistical output as Shaq.

Shaq's production in his prime was historically gone.

Your right, fukk the sidekick stuff. He has five titles. All I was trying to say is it is a team thing, so don't put him over Wade just because of it because Wade would have five under the same circumstances.

Jordan ain't the best because he ahs six titles. He's the best because he outproduced everyone in the reg. season and playoffs. If not Russell would be the best with 11 titles.

And again, I acknowledge Kobe has a legacy of impressive totals and selections. But nothing speaks louder than the tale of the production. Awards are subjectively voted on.

 

[Joe Sixpack]

They handed Kobe the title of "next Jordan" before he even did anything just like they did to Harold Miner and Grant Hill.

Kobe turned out to be a monster but he's not on Jordan's level..

When the he won the dunk contest his rookie year, I was like

His dunks were GAHBAGE....

 

[Jram]

Prime Kobe 2007- 31.6 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.4 apg, 58% TS, 1st Team All Defense

Prime MJ 1991-31.5 ppg, 6 rpg, 5.5 apg, 61% TS, 1st Team All Defense.

This ignores the bigger picture of how much more efficient Jordan was in comparing those seasons.

Jordan in 91: 54% FG, 31.6 PER, 54.7 eFG%.

Bryant in 07: 46.3% FG, 26.1 PER, 50.2 eFG%


You gave an incomplete assesment, because Bryant had to use much more possessions to score as much as Jordan did that season. Bryant's season was terrific, but Jordan's was the all time elite echelon of two guards.

BTW Wade's 08-09 season > Any Bryant season ever