The truth about Kobe Bryant

[Jram]

Yeah. Probably both. You posted some BS stats to make a point about something that has to be looked at contextually to form a valid opionion.

I guess the best QBs of all time have the highest QB rating as well.

But I didn't use one statistic to make my case. All of their per game averages are close and I used four advanced efficiency metrics that indicate who is the more efficient player. Thats not comparable to using passer rating alone to suggest who the best QB is.

What context was missing? What is incomplete about what I said?

 

[Jram]

shyt is beyond old at this point. Same threads by the same trolls Can we start a petition to the threadstarter?

The Coli supposed to be for the people, by the people right?

Anyone who disagrees with you = Troll?

You only want to discuss with likeminded people? Isn't this a public forum?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

It's always about somebody hating. But it's never 'Stop loving' when people overrate him.

Jordan, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, LeBron.

Space.

Duncan, Hakeem, Magic, Bird, Bryant, Robertson, Wade, Barkley, Robinson.

He's in that discussion to be in the top ten. Stop acting like it's crazy to say otherwise.

But no Bill Russell?

 

[Jram]

But no Bill Russell?

You can throw him in there if you want

 

[Marvel]

Kobe's not top 5.....but, Lebron is? I'm sick of these threads

Yeah, I can't put Lebron ahead of Kobe right now...that's crazy. We are talking about body of work.

In no order

Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Russell

space

Duncan, Robertson, Hakeem, Kobe, Bird, Magic

Lebron is 11-15 right now though. In the mix with Barkley, Robinson, and Malone.

Wade, maybe 15-20 and that is being very lenient. Probably 21-25.

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[iamduval]

bron is better than kobe ever was. bron may finish his career as the 2nd best ever.


hes going to win multiple rings, stop kidding yourselves

 

[Goatpoacher]

The Kobestan coalition reminds of Peggy Noonan style Ronald Reagan cocksuckers.

1. Both kobestans and reaganstans worship their figureheads
2. Both kobestans and reaganstans ignore any historical context or substance and rely on a subjective (and wildly homoerotic) love of their respective deity.
3. Both kobestans and reaganstans ignore the fact their respective deities had moments of utter, breathtaking stupidity.
4. Both kobestans and reaganstans love to push a false narrative about their deity based on the subjective nonsense, and try to drown out any facts by chanting out stupid platitudes ("Da GAWD!" "SIX RINGS!" "HE TORE DOWN THE WALL!")

 

[mastermind]

By who? Who would have honestly wanted Boozer over Pau? People that rarely/never saw either of them play?

Playoff records CANNOT be used to determine the ability of a single player. It's a team sport and it's extremely short sighted to ignore all other factors to make it come down to one player.

idk, Western Conference coaches who chose Boozer to the All Star game over Gasol. The folks who voted Boozer as an All NBA player before Gasol ever got one.

And the NBA is the one sport where a player can have a big time impact on a game. Its the only sport that is like that. If Gasol is a dominant player like the cats on that message board were arguing, and like you want to argue now, then he should win at least one playoff game.

It's a BS statement that you agree with? Whatever, moving on...

you misunderstood me, its BS that no one cared about Memphis.

I'm not saying they were garbage but I'm not going to ignore all other relevant factors either for the simplicity of making a knee jerk reaction. Maybe that team just had bad matchups, maybe the teams they played each year were just better. You can't judge ONE player by a team's wins and losses unless you judge the other 11 players, the coach, and the 12 players and coach on the other side too. It's just careless and lazy to do so.

Can you name another "dominant" player that went 3 straight playoffs without winning a game?

Bad match ups will lose a playoff series. It doesnt get you swept 3 straight years.

As for 7 guys averaging 10 points a game, who the fukk cares? The Warriors had that this year and won like 20 games. It's not the sign of a good or successful team. You trade 4 of those 10 ppg guys for 1 20 ppg guy and you become a better team.

of course, but that doesnt mean those teams should get thrown in the bushes 3 straight years.

Yes, you're strictly a Kobe fan which is worse in this argument. The only comparison I'm making between Pau and Nash is that they both build their games on passing and making their teammates better and their level of dominance is going to be largely determined by the people around them. Pau didn't instantly became a better player when he came to the Lakers, KG didn't instantly become a championship level player when he went to Boston, etc. Their skills stand alone but the situations around those guys improved, that's it.

and your over decade long feud against Kobe makes you an objective observer as well.


Steve Nash is a point guard

Pau Gasol is a "dominant" big man.

and I didnt say Gasol got better when he got to LA. That was my point. He is the same fringe star player he was in memphis. He is still the same guy who you would never build a championship team around as the main man. There is no insult in that statement, that is the player Gasol is and has always been. Its not a diss, its being real about Gasol.

If you're going to try that route, do it right, dipshyt.

Got damn you mad

 

[Bilz]

idk, Western Conference coaches who chose Boozer to the All Star game over Gasol. The folks who voted Boozer as an All NBA player before Gasol ever got one.

And the NBA is the one sport where a player can have a big time impact on a game. Its the only sport that is like that. If Gasol is a dominant player like the cats on that message board were arguing, and like you want to argue now, then he should win at least one playoff game.

With Boozer and his all star game and all NBA selections, weren't you just the one arguing that the voters aren't always right?

As for being swept three straight years, wouldn't it also be argued that a supporting cast of a bunch of 10 ppg scorers should have been able to will the team to victory? It's funny that you use it as proof that Pau couldn't do shyt on his own but you don't find it at all reflective of his supporting cast's abilities. They're solid and it wasn't their fault at all, it's all on Pau, right?

you misunderstood me, its BS that no one cared about Memphis.

How often were they on TV? How often were people checking for them? They're a better team now than they were then and people still don't really watch for them that much. Argue semantics all you want.

Can you name another "dominant" player that went 3 straight playoffs without winning a game?

Bad match ups will lose a playoff series. It doesnt get you swept 3 straight years.

That's trivial nonsense. Nothing more. How about this, a dominant player would never blow a 3-1 lead, name another dominant player that has done it. But, but, but....

of course, but that doesnt mean those teams should get thrown in the bushes 3 straight years.

Well that's what happened. If they had won one of those games, would your opinion of Pau be fundamentally different?

and your over decade long feud against Kobe makes you an objective observer as well.


Steve Nash is a point guard

Pau Gasol is a "dominant" big man.

and I didnt say Gasol got better when he got to LA. That was my point. He is the same fringe star player he was in memphis. He is still the same guy who you would never build a championship team around as the main man. There is no insult in that statement, that is the player Gasol is and has always been. Its not a diss, its being real about Gasol.



Got damn you mad

Once again, the comparison between Pau and Steve Nash is that they will both look a lot better in better surroundings. I don't know why you're so fixated on their positions. You cite these all star and all nba selections as being indicative of a player's dominance yet you also say Pau was the same before and after his trade to LA. Which is it, Stanley? Do those things mean something or not?

As for Pau not being someone you can build a championship around, Spain says fukk you.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

But I didn't use one statistic to make my case. All of their per game averages are close and I used four advanced efficiency metrics that indicate who is the more efficient player. Thats not comparable to using passer rating alone to suggest who the best QB is.

What context was missing? What is incomplete about what I said?

You can't quantify a great player via mathematics son. The context is watching the game as is. A lot of other mitigating circumstances come into play such as the era, rules, competition at the time, popular coaching philosphies at that time, pre-defined position roles, etc etc etc. How you gon use math to determine who is better is laughable. No one does that.

 

[CantStop]

wow you losers really argue about the same thing every single day even in the offseason. Especially these Kobe haters Bilz and gayplaya. I can't imagine myself talking about someone I hate(and I don't hate any player except maybe Steve Blake and it makes me cringe typing his name) every single day of my life.

 

[Bilz]

wow you losers really argue about the same thing every single day even in the offseason. Especially these Kobe haters Bilz and gayplaya. I can't imagine myself talking about someone I hate(and I don't hate any player except maybe Steve Blake and it makes me cringe typing his name) every single day of my life.

I can't imagine living in Canada and clap dancing to Fergie all day. To each his own

 

[YBE]

Anyone who disagrees with you = Troll?

You only want to discuss with likeminded people? Isn't this a public forum?

Bruh, your whole steeze was how Laker fans aren't objective & rational. You don't believe Kobe Bryant has the criteria/career achievements to be Top 5? Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. Some people might put Duncan, Magic or Shaq there instead. Fine, that's cool. But Lebron?


If you think that's objective or rational thinking, you're either a hypocrite for doing the same thing you accuse Laker fans of or you're a troll. We got enough of those already

 

[YBE]

wow you losers really argue about the same thing every single day even in the offseason. Especially these Kobe haters Bilz and gayplaya. I can't imagine myself talking about someone I hate(and I don't hate any player except maybe Steve Blake and it makes me cringe typing his name) every single day of my life.

shyt is so stupid

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Can you name another "dominant" player that went 3 straight playoffs without winning a game?

Bad match ups will lose a playoff series. It doesnt get you swept 3 straight years.


of course, but that doesnt mean those teams should get thrown in the bushes 3 straight years.


and your over decade long feud against Kobe makes you an objective observer as well.


Steve Nash is a point guard

Pau Gasol is a "dominant" big man.

and I didnt say Gasol got better when he got to LA. That was my point. He is the same fringe star player he was in memphis. He is still the same guy who you would never build a championship team around as the main man. There is no insult in that statement, that is the player Gasol is and has always been. Its not a diss, its being real about Gasol.

Got damn you mad

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