The Tariq Nasheed Thread

[Uno Venova]

How many gay people do you come across on a daily basis? Has the gay agenda effected you financially?


Honestly, the only time gay people are on my radar is when I read TLR. Same thing with transsexuals.

Men on theColi are obsessed with gay men and transsexuals way more than the other way around

 

[Everythingg]

Didn’t shift anything. No one black cares about it much period. Our community was dismantled from the jump. Which is why we never cared about trivial stuff like Gay shyt. There was nothing to “support” cause there was no debate until Republicans created one in the 70s.

What do you mean there was no debate? There were civilizations that homosexuality was punishable BY DEATH. To pretend black people didn’t acknowledge any disagreement with it until cacs is being disingenuous. But you’ll be disingenuous for the sake of defending liberals

The community wasn’t dismantled during the civil rights era. That was a whole decade of black people building together. Man and woman. And it was dismantled afterwards because of the progress being made. And after it was dismantled you want to give black people a crown for their state after that?

No one lived in homes the way we know of them until the industrial revolution and advent of the suburbs. It has nothing to do with white folks or huts or any of that other nonsense you are talking. It was the progression of humanity as a whole.

Cac babble. Let’s keep this going though say I can lay more on the table. So now you’re saying, that now when cacs are in rulership, is the most advanced humanity has EVER been?

Where and when were any of the laws in action?

Nah. You said it didn’t exist at all and was made up. Don’t skate over that incorrect point

I have not diminished anything. You seem to not have a very good handle on the english language. Absent is a neutral word, it doesn’t imply anything good or bad, it just is.

You said only women raise children when men are the ones providing resources, food, shelter, and safety for the children. You take these things out and then you’re saying the woman has to go and do these things. And she can’t do these things AND care for the child. If the woman is at home “raising” the child but no one is there to gather resources or providing protection then the child isn’t going to be adequately raised.

But instead of recognizing both contributions to the raising of a child, you gave it all to the woman. Then you call the father “absent” and play dumb as to the obvious negative connotation that that has. Go tell a single mother working two jobs to save up for a house that she’s an “absent mother” because she leaves her kids under the care of her own mother while she’s at work. See the negative reaction you get. Go tell her that she’s not “raising her children” because their grandmother is looking after them and not her while she’s at work working 2 jobs. See her reaction then come back and play dumb about how calling any parent an “absent parent” isn’t negative....

On here playing dumb so you can defend liberals

Here we go conflating a social/economic ideal with politics again.

Stay on topic. Black people can be and are very liberal and progressive without voting or engaging in politics at all.

Cap. Last election ANYONE who said they didn’t want to participate anymore was called Trumpset. Now it’s “anyone can refuse to participate” lol

And if we’re talking about values, historically black people believe and accepted man marrying woman marriages more so than man and man. They NEVER openly accepted both on the same plane. That’s a new age thing that came along after they dismantled the community...

And this is a stereotypical view that white conservatives have. So the whole point was that black people CAN and DO agree with cacs on THAT POINT without also going along with “white supremacy” They can agree with conservative cac views on abortion without also being white supremacist. If we’re not conflating values with politics then you agree with this right?

In america there’s no getting around the fact that supply chains, natural resources, property, land, etc are all overwhelmingly controlled by white folks. Any black utopia will have to deal with that reality.

So we can’t do it because “the white man won’t let us” is why it won’t be simple? Just want to get it on record...

 

[MeachTheMonster]

What do you mean there was no debate? There were civilizations that homosexuality was punishable BY DEATH. To pretend black people didn’t acknowledge any disagreement with it until cacs is being disingenuous. But you’ll be disingenuous for the sake of defending liberals

We talking about in America

But beyond that, Gay shyt been happening all over since forever.

Which pre-colonial African civilization had death penalty laws for homosexuality?

The community wasn’t dismantled during the civil rights era. That was a whole decade of black people building together. Man and woman. And it was dismantled afterwards because of the progress being made. And after it was dismantled you want to give black people a crown for their state after that?

First off this isn’t even true, but even running with your false premise.

10 years out of like 500 and this is the one singular time you think shaped black peoples social, economic, cultural ideals? Stop it

Cac babble. Let’s keep this going though say I can lay more on the table. So now you’re saying, that now when cacs are in rulership, is the most advanced humanity has EVER been?

With every post you just pull tales from your ass. Actually read and reply to what I not whatever it is in your head you wanna argue with.

Nah. You said it didn’t exist at all and was made up. Don’t skate over that incorrect point

When and where were they enacted?

You said only women raise children when men are the ones providing resources, food, shelter, and safety for the children. You take these things out and then you’re saying the woman has to go and do these things. And she can’t do these things AND care for the child. If the woman is at home “raising” the child but no one is there to gather resources or providing protection then the child isn’t going to be adequately raised.

But instead of recognizing both contributions to the raising of a child, you gave it all to the woman. Then you call the father “absent” and play dumb as to the obvious negative connotation that that has. Go tell a single mother working two jobs to save up for a house that she’s an “absent mother” because she leaves her kids under the care of her own mother while she’s at work. See the negative reaction you get. Go tell her that she’s not “raising her children” because their grandmother is looking after them and not her while she’s at work working 2 jobs. See her reaction then come back and play dumb about how calling any parent an “absent parent” isn’t negative....

On here playing dumb so you can defend liberals

Whole wall of more tales from your ass.

I simply said women are the ones in direct interaction in raising the children. That has held true since forever. It has only recently changed and it’s black men leading that change, with all of our progressives in parenting and being present in our kids lives beyond “providing” for them.

Cap. Last election ANYONE who said they didn’t want to participate anymore was called Trumpset. Now it’s “anyone can refuse to participate” lol

You stuck on arguing everything other than what i said.

And if we’re talking about values, historically black people believe and accepted man marrying woman marriages more so than man and man. They NEVER openly accepted both on the same plane. That’s a new age thing that came along after they dismantled the community...

There’s actually plenty of history of same sex relationships being ok throughout history. Our current debate was started in the 70s by cacs

And this is a stereotypical view that white conservatives have. So the whole point was that black people CAN and DO agree with cacs on THAT POINT without also going along with “white supremacy” They can agree with conservative cac views on abortion without also being white supremacist. If we’re not conflating values with politics then you agree with this right?

You goofys trying to take that one point that again black people have increasingly moved away from to claim black people as a whole are “conservative”.

shyt don’t hold up. Black people don’t do anything conservatively

So we can’t do it because “the white man won’t let us” is why it won’t be simple? Just want to get it on record...

If that’s how you feel

 

[Everythingg]

We talking about in America

But beyond that, Gay shyt been happening all over since forever.

Which pre-colonial African civilization had death penalty laws for homosexuality?


First off this isn’t even true, but even running with your false premise.

10 years out of like 500 and this is the one singular time you think shaped black peoples social, economic, cultural ideals? Stop it


With every post you just pull tales from your ass. Actually read and reply to what I not whatever it is in your head you wanna argue with.

Because most people are liberal nowadays most of the Coli is gonna let your BS slide. Not me tho. Give it up bruh. If in ancient times, homosexuality was punishable by death who do you think that came from? Who do you think followed that ancient way? Cacs? Who do you think is the ancient man if not black people?

When and where were they enacted?

Why don’t you research it yourself if you want to know more? You said it didn’t exist and I brought a source that says different. Instead of addressing the source and why it’s “made up” like you originally claimed, you’re now tryna move the goalposts. Is the source wrong? If so how?

Whole wall of more tales from your ass.

I simply said women are the ones in direct interaction in raising the children. That has held true since forever. It has only recently changed and it’s black men leading that change, with all of our progressives in parenting and being present in our kids lives beyond “providing” for them.

So put it in writing then. You’ll tell a mother working two jobs to provide a stable house for her children she’s an “absent mother” because when she’s at work her mother is watching her kids?



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There’s actually plenty of history of same sex relationships being ok throughout history. Our current debate was started in the 70s by cacs
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Where’s the black history openly supporting homosexuality?

You goofys trying to take that one point that again black people have increasingly moved away from to claim black people as a whole are “conservative”.

shyt don’t hold up. Black people don’t do anything conservatively




If that’s how you feel

Yea they turned liberal after cacs purposely destabilized the community thru murder, intimidation, propaganda, propaganda, and imprisonment in for profit prisons. That was their plan and it worked but not with the ones that matter


I’m asking you what you’re saying and you talking about how I feel


I said black people of all trades and occupations could simply come together and supply their services to each other. You said this “wouldn’t be simple” because white people control everything. So I ask “so it won’t be simple because white people won’t let us” and you start e-stuttering?

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Because most people are liberal nowadays most of the Coli is gonna let your BS slide. Not me tho. Give it up bruh. If in ancient times, homosexuality was punishable by death who do you think that came from? Who do you think followed that ancient way? Cacs? Who do you think is the ancient man if not black people?

When and where was homosexuality punishable by death in ancient africa?

Why don’t you research it yourself if you want to know more? You said it didn’t exist and I brought a source that says different. Instead of addressing the source and why it’s “made up” like you originally claimed, you’re now tryna move the goalposts. Is the source wrong? If so how?

Simple question. Where and when were these laws enacted?

So put it in writing then. You’ll tell a mother working two jobs to provide a stable house for her children she’s an “absent mother” because when she’s at work her mother is watching her kids?

A lot of single mothers will admit they were absent more than they should have been due to working long hours.

Only you caught up on semantics.

Where’s the black history openly supporting homosexuality?

Gay shyt all over the community. There’s lots of examples. Do your googles.

Yea they turned liberal after cacs purposely destabilized the community thru murder, intimidation, propaganda, propaganda, and imprisonment in for profit prisons. That was their plan and it worked but not with the ones that matter

Yeah all that is “conservative” shyt. Why the hell would black people be down with that crew

I’m asking you what you’re saying and you talking about how I feel


I said black people of all trades and occupations could simply come together and supply their services to each other. You said this “wouldn’t be simple” because white people control everything. So I ask “so it won’t be simple because white people won’t let us” and you start e-stuttering?

You said it, must be your idea

 

[Everythingg]

Solomon also

Yup but he said he was specifically referring to (the character) “Jesus” so I had to let it slide

 

[Everythingg]

When and where was homosexuality punishable by death in ancient africa?

There were questions in my quote. You can’t answer them?



Ancient civilizations made homosexuality punishable by death. Who do you think that came from? You don’t think black people followed that ancient way of thinking EVER until the 70s? Do you even think the ancient man was black?

Simple question. Where and when were these laws enacted?

Ask me that after you say why the source I brought was false. You said something was made up and I brought a source that said different. Why can’t you explain why what I brought was false? Why can’t you address what’s being said first before introducing more questions?

A lot of single mothers will admit they were absent more than they should have been due to working long hours.

umm okay. Here’s the question again if you missed it. Would you call a single mother who is working two jobs to save up for a stable house for her and her children an “absent mother” because she leaves her kids with her mother? You’d tell her she’s not raising her kids?

Gay shyt all over the community. There’s lots of examples.

I hear ya bruh. You said “historically” and now you’re saying there’s plenty of examples. Where is that again?

Yeah all that is “conservative” shyt. Why the hell would black people be down with that crew


You said it, must be your idea

Cac BS 101. No matter who has been in power in America, blacks people have been at the bottom but you want us to believe that liberals are our saviors and conservatives our oppressors. Both different wings in the same bird. You rather us put our hope in liberals than ourselves which is why you can’t answer why it’s not as “simple” as turning to each other

 

[GPBear]

Code for "if these states want slavery we need to let them just do them and leave them alone"

Just like The Confederate flag "is my heritage (of enslaving you and your people and I'm proud of it and wish we could go back to that time when we were "great"

He's a black "independent thinker" aka "he isn't knowledgable enough to understand but he agrees with our coded language and you people should let him think for himself and just agree with what he thinks we're talking about"

Exactly. Not just slavery proper, but the idea that if a restaurant doesn't want to serve black customers - that's their right to do so, etc. That's literally all the "states rights" debate has ever centered around since the beginning. It's completely impossible to say "well just get rid of the racist part " when that's the impetus behind their entire agenda.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Nobody gonna read that shyt breh, you already admitted that you didn't even watch OP and don't know what we're talking about yet you think we want to read your essays that ain't even on topic?

So, you admit that I'm right and you aint got shyt for me.

I aint gotta watch Tariq, I've been studying politics my whole life.

I know the difference between "culturally liberal" and "culturally conservative"

This got to be the biggest bunch of incoherent juelzing I ever read.

You watch way too much fukking Newsmax. You sound like Rush Limbaugh in the flesh.

Being against drug use, alcoholism, broken families, and "degenerate behavior" doesn't make you a conservative. It's how we combat these issues that separates both sides. Conservatives want to combat drug use, alcoholism and broken families by making YOU the poster child of all these social ills, blame it on social programs that you are "leeching" off of at the expense of taxpayers and at the expense of your character, so that they can pass racist ass laws and take away those social programs. Liberals believe in combatting these issues without the blatant white power agendas or rhetoric.

All y'all trying to glorify conservatism as this virtuous belief in family and moral values are showing yoru asses. Inventing BS terms like "socially conservative" cus you're too weak to just admit you a pro-Trump Republican. Conservatism is about small government and racism. That's it. Them capitalizing on religion and family values was part of an old political strategy that was intended for clueless Christian southerners but apparently it works on Coli contrarian smart-dummy militants to.


"I believe in family and staying away form drugs, so I'm a "social conservatives".....also CUT THE CHECK!!!"

TLR is a damn joke.

Eat a dikk.

I'm pretty much a socialist and have never watched a Newsmax in my life.

Yo hoe ass just watch too much Roland Martin & MSDNC

And AGAIN, being against degenerative behaving ABSOLUTELY are conservative values in a UNIVERSAL sense.

Your dumb ass is too stupid to understand that conservatism doesn't equal right-wing or republican, it's a cultural designation

That's why you hear about how CONSERVATIVE Indian families are with their daughters

Or how CONSERVATIVE Asian families are who have never stepped foot in America.

Conservatives believe in the rights of unlimited free enterprise even at the expense of some people's rights, freedoms, or dignity.

That's just factually untrue.

It's hilarious how somebody can simultaneously be so ignorant and so arrogant at the same fukking time

Dude, conservative families in poor 3rd world villages, who don't let their daughters wear pants or their sons listen to rock music have nothing to do with "free enterprise"

Again, pick up a book and learn the difference between CULTURAL conservatism and right-wing capitalism.

If older black folks were so conservative before Obama why do they vote so collectively and vehemently against it?

I'll wait.

Because conservatism and right-wing aren't the same thing, dummy

Black people like ALL communities of color are conservative, but definitely not right-wing

Black people are the most progressive people in this country

this forum is full of dummies

Another genius who doesn't know the difference between conservative and right-wing

To me the question of being liberal comes down to how you feel about Black people.

So, conservative families in India or Mexico or Zimbabwe are that because of how they feel about Black people?

He's appointed more black judges and political assignments than any other president, next to Obama.

His federal government is black as hell.

He's directed more federal dollars to black contractors and business opportunities and HBCUs than any president. Ever.

He's put more tokens in place who won't do a damn thing for the average Black people, while things that actually affect the average Black person

Gas Prices
Inflation
Minimum Wage
Medicare 4 All
Marijuana decriminalization
Student Loan Debt
Abandoned Police Oversight Committee
Is against Reparations and thinks that Blacks not playing enough records for our children is the reason for the racial wealth gap





"Nothing will fundamentally change"

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[The Amerikkkan Idol]

First, fukk you for this wall of text.

Second, stop trying to compare America's brand of conservativism to global or other Western conservativism. That goes for liberalism as well. Our left right politics are far more extreme than other Western nations because he place a focus on individualism instead of collectivism. So conservatism in a majority Black, non-Western nation is a different beast than American conservativism. Hell, some modern American Dems would be considered right wing in England.

Dude, conservative and liberal are UNIVERSAL concepts.

He's the most pro-labor president since FDR

Tell that to Christian Smalls

There is no. “redefine”

Conservative=Preserve the status quo.

Liberal=Change the status quo.

We are talking about black people in America.

The status quo in America is based off slavery.

Furthermore, merely being “religious” is not conservative.

There’s all types of ways people worship.

Black Americans form of christianity and Islam are VERY different than what would be considered traditional or conservative in any society.

Not sure why you are talking about asians here.

If there’s anything black people have done it’s rejecting the ideas of what art and culture was dictated to us.

As i said before. Black Americans are trailblazers in every sense of the world. No way possible you can say that also falls under “conservatism”

Because Conservatism and Liberalism are UNIVERSAL concepts.

You keep making the mistake of mistaking right-wing for conservatism and left-wing for liberal when they are all different things.

Traditional families
religious values
anti-drug/alcohol
embrace of hard work
modest dress

Are CONSERVATIVE values in every country in the world.

loose sexual mores
feminism
embrace of drug culture
liberal artistic culture
provocative dress

Are LIBERAL values in every country of the world.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No one gonna read that long-ass rant either.

You probably still haven't watched the OP video yet. Until you realize that terms are defined by context and you ain't even talking about what was said in the OP, then you're just gonna keep sounding like a crazy person screaming at windmills.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

@GPBear

Let's clarify

In America among the whites.

 

[TripleAgent]

Democrat dikkeaters and Rainbow Squad members in here mad AF

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Dude, conservative and liberal are UNIVERSAL concepts.



Tell that to Christian Smalls





Because Conservatism and Liberalism are UNIVERSAL concepts.

You keep making the mistake of mistaking right-wing for conservatism and left-wing for liberal when they are all different things.

Traditional families
religious values
anti-drug/alcohol
embrace of hard work
modest dress

Are CONSERVATIVE values in every country in the world.

loose sexual mores
feminism
embrace of drug culture
liberal artistic culture
provocative dress

Are LIBERAL values in every country of the world.

No. Cultural context matters.

“Modest Dress” can be anything from a full on Burka to a pants suit. Hell there was a time not to long ago in america a woman simply wearing pants would be considered “radical”

“Religious values” run the gambit from Earnest Angley To Mase

Jesus served wine and people smoke hashish in all types of religious ceremonies.

Context matters, you can’t just throw out those vague ass terms.

And even then, if we go back and look at your list, Black people fall on what you considered the liberal side of most things. Art, Dress, Drugs, Alcohol, etc. Even the things we fit in on your “conservative” list we do them our own way. Black American church is the only institution like it on earth. Nothing “traditional” about that.

You sound like a CaC man with respectability politics right now. Same Dog Whistles and everything

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

How many gay people do you come across on a daily basis? Has the gay agenda effected you financially?


Honestly, the only time gay people are on my radar is when I read TLR. Same thing with transsexuals.

All of these questions are pointless deflections. Some one made a statement. I debunked it. One of the weirdo sympathizers wanted to push the notion that influence and propaganda is obsolete to that agenda. But that's cap, butt pirates themselves don't believe that, but they'll lie for the sake of argument.