Bondye Vodou
Proud practitioner of the "High Science"
I fell ya, BUT...lets not act like wayne ain't a poptart emcee that sired mumble rap
his influence is one of the main reasons hip hop is ass
"The South fukked up Hip Hop's sound"
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his influence is one of the main reasons hip hop is ass
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
maybe
But what i said still stands though
Nobody from the south is on jay-zs level though. Not in catalog,hits or bank account
Sankofa Alwayz
#FBADOS #B1 #D(M)V #KnowThyself #WaveGod
i also love how "90's hip hop purists" love to paint this false narrative that HIP HOP was always about multis...deep subject matter and complex rhyme schemes
everybody in the east coast wasn't "spitting hot fiyah" like G. Rap...Wutang...Kane....Lord Finesse etc.
we had a LOT of SIMPLE NON LYRICAL RAPPERS in the MECCA OF HIP HOP
its been a misguided uninformed theme
that the south is solely responsible for dumbing things down and simplifying it
bullshyt......rapping started out as a simplistic artform and continued that way for a long time throughout the 80s
Greg Nice straight outta the Bronx New York use to say some of the most IGNANT lines in rap...but it was still DOPE... cause it was PARTY MUSIC just like the music that's celebrated coming out of ATL and MIA for the most part
"dizzie gillipsie plays the SAX"
redbone booties im out to wax!!!"
B fats....Bizmarkie..Flava Flav.....the Fatboys..JVC Force...Just Ice were just a few of the many out of NYC that were considered NON LYRICISTS
in fact i didn't recall hip hop getting COMPLEX as the norm till the 90s.......cats like Rakim ..LL and Kane and G rap in the 80s were considered rare anamolies
Thats why they were so celebrated...
RAH DIGGA is way off point here and just cant accept the fact that she wasn't able to adapt once the epicenter of the culture shifted to ATL and the south
which was club based party music based on the fact that is the busines model the industry was running with because now FEMALES had become the dominant taste makers in the game...
RAH DIGGA was unable to adapt even though she tried yet she failed
Good points OG
Hannibal Fox
Eetwidomayloh
Grime came before trap in the UK, most people were not up on it at all, grimes original elements musically was a fusion of Garage, Jungle, Rap, D&B, Dancehall and Bashment with some southern bounce, it's weird how trap influenced it later on, and completely dropped the Garage aspect, spot on though with the rest.
It was a wrap when the 8 Bar drop hit
If you reached sidewinder back in them days, my UK fam know
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maybe
But what i said still stands though
Nobody from the south is on jay-zs level though. Not in catalog,hits or bank account
master p had way more money than jay-z back then, and everything people praise jay-z for doing, master p was doing it 10-20 years before him, without help from the white man. master p has his own satellite in the sky breh. lets not talk money.
and all of that is neither here nor there. im just saying; at that specific point in time, juvenile was right up there with jay & dmx, and master p was bigger. who you rank higher all-time is neither here-nor-there. and youre contradicting yourself because the same stuff that youre saying in order to brush off P & juvi, can be said twice as much about DMX.
youre wrong breh. you gotta get out of that bubble.
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K.O.N.Y
Superstar
1. master p had money back than. Jay-z had money back than.......Who has more money right now
2. Master p was not doing anything 10 or 20 years before jay. Jays career started before ps
3. Rocawear was more culturally relevant than anything P did. U gone call that "help from the white man"
4. Jay z on a Album level and success level far outreaches any southern artist. Thats not debatable
5. juvenile WAS NOT right up there with hov in the late nineties. The south was largely irrelevant in the late nineties ,there was no southern artist bigger than nyc artist. Saying anything else is revisionist history
1. master p had money back than. Jay-z had money back than.......Who has more money right now
2. Master p was not doing anything 10 or 20 years before jay. Jays career started before ps
3. Rocawear was more culturally relevant than anything P did. U gone call that "help from the white man"
4. Jay z on a Album level and success level far outreaches any southern artist. Thats not debatable
5. juvenile WAS NOT right up there with hov in the late nineties. The south was largely irrelevant in the late nineties ,there was no southern artist bigger than nyc artist. Saying anything else is revisionist history
1. its like you ignored my entire post. and youre still missing the point.
2. come on man. youre acting dense now.
3. did jay design the clothes?? NO. and what does this have to do with anything?
4. AGAIN. we're talking about the specific time period given. its like youre purposely acting dense at this point.
5.
@ the bolded. im done. have a good day.
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Taadow
The StarchBishop™️
1. master p had money back than. Jay-z had money back than.......Who has more money right now
2. Master p was not doing anything 10 or 20 years before jay. Jays career started before ps
3. Rocawear was more culturally relevant than anything P did. U gone call that "help from the white man"
4. Jay z on a Album level and success level far outreaches any southern artist. Thats not debatable
5. juvenile WAS NOT right up there with hov in the late nineties. The south was largely irrelevant in the late nineties ,there was no southern artist bigger than nyc artist. Saying anything else is revisionist history
You are a smoker of fine crack.
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
OG grime came before modern trap but early trap sound(s) were out before grime
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
[/QUOTE]1. its like you ignored my entire post. and youre still missing the point.
2. come on man. youre acting dense now.
3. did jay design the clothes?? NO. and what does this have to do with anything?
4. AGAIN. we're talking about the specific time period given. its like youre purposely acting dense at this point.
5.
So master p had a bigger album than reasonable doubt,hard knock life,volume 3
All in the late ninetiesJust the work hov did with timberland was >greater than master p or juve. U cant be serious
U have to be the one to design the clothes now to take cultural credit
Girls ruined rap if you wanna be real. Not all of them but most of them dont give a fukk about no bars or quality music and all that, they just wanna dance and recite dumb lyrics and have fun, lol. The dumber the song the better for most girls. Girls and kids, they ruined the quality by making silly shyt hot
Most dude don’t give a fukk about bars
I don’t know what it will take for you nerds to know that it’s only a niche few of you that care about syllables
Too many simps as well cosign weak music
Hannibal Fox
Eetwidomayloh
And trap sounds didn't touch UK until after the jump in the US breh, re-read my post as I figured I needed to clarify that without it seeming like I was popping off
Pit Bull
GATOR
Even when you watch 90s videos west, south, midwest all similar and can tell they kinfolks. Northeast on some odd man out shyt. Them videos ain't have the same vibes.
You buggin big time cuz. How old you is?1. master p had money back than. Jay-z had money back than.......Who has more money right now
2. Master p was not doing anything 10 or 20 years before jay. Jays career started before ps
3. Rocawear was more culturally relevant than anything P did. U gone call that "help from the white man"
4. Jay z on a Album level and success level far outreaches any southern artist. Thats not debatable
5. juvenile WAS NOT right up there with hov in the late nineties. The south was largely irrelevant in the late nineties ,there was no southern artist bigger than nyc artist. Saying anything else is revisionist history