The Sopranos crew was looking like food by the end of the show

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David Chase is definitely on some :mjpls: shyt.

If you guys are basing it on stuff that happened in the show that doesn't mean much. It wasn't an autobiographical story. Pretty much the whole way through, the show is putting morality front and center. He's telling you these people are fukked up and retrograde, I think it's impossible to miss that message.

I don't know anything about Chase personally though.
 

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If you guys are basing it on stuff that happened in the show that doesn't mean much. It wasn't an autobiographical story. Pretty much the whole way through, the show is putting morality front and center. He's telling you these people are fukked up and retrograde, I think it's impossible to miss that message.

I don't know anything about Chase personally though.

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Tony killing Ralp was the turning point. However you hate him, you cannot kill the money making machine of the family.

Killing Chris was the end of his era. His temper made him less effective, and he made mistakes. Next to this, he only had Syl and Pauli as loyal captains left. Bobby was not to be respected imo.

I do agree with the stated...They killed Tony to put Patsy in charge.

Ralphie had to go.

Despite the fact he was a great earner, he was a sociopath, besides Tony didn't kill him.

Just took care of the mess.

My only beef was that Tony killed Christopher not because he was a dope fiend, because he caught feelings about fukking and having his chick killed.

Tony was shook. Especially after Chris's movie premiere. And Paulie was going catch it too after that panty sniffing weirdo shyt.
 

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I think Butch was frustrated with Phil trying to rule the family while he was in hiding, and maybe becoming too power crazy as boss. Phil was annoyed with Butch and wanted a sitdown because they weren’t able to kill Tony. And maybe Butch figured he could rule with Phil out the picture.

I don’t know, it seemed kind of rushed to me. I would understand it more if they made more of a point to show that they were hurting financially at the time. But they didn’t show that, they actually said NY was taking over some of NJ’s business


Nobody wants war... Especially when everyone knew it was over some bullshyt ego Phil gained at the last minute. Butchie asked him to make peace and he wouldn't.. People ready to get back to their normal lives and make money and not have the heat on them. It wasn't like NJ was the ones who pushed for the beef
 

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Nobody wants war... Especially when everyone knew it was over some bullshyt ego Phil gained at the last minute. Butchie asked him to make peace and he wouldn't.. People ready to get back to their normal lives and make money and not have the heat on them. It wasn't like NJ was the ones who pushed for the beef

butchie was Wilding out, he was pushing Phil to whack Tony in the first place after the wire room got burned down. Then they clipped Silvio and Bobby, had patsy on some bear grylls shyt running through the wilderness. For some reason they never tried to get at Tony even though during the NY capo meeting butch specifically mentioned him by name....


Once Phil told him they’d sit down after this blew over just the two of them, he knew Phil was going to try to have him whacked. So philly got greenlit in the warehouse sit down, and then butch doubled back to clip Tony to send a message
 

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Ralphie had to go.

Despite the fact he was a great earner, he was a sociopath, besides Tony didn't kill him.

Just took care of the mess.

My only beef was that Tony killed Christopher not because he was a dope fiend, because he caught feelings about fukking and having his chick killed.

Tony was shook. Especially after Chris's movie premiere. And Paulie was going catch it too after that panty sniffing weirdo shyt.

Tony killed him bc he couldn't let the drugs go and he was in fighting with the crew. People did not fukk with his sober lifestyle at all

Once he told him that he couldn't pass the drug test after the crash he had to go. He gave him a lot of chances that other people wouldn't get at all

He wanted to have him as a street boss with familial ties while he was behind the scenes insulated. shyt wasn't working so he got Bacala to fill that spot
 

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The crew was past their prime in the final season. Bleached, washed out looks. Hardly anymore laughs in front of Satriales. Hardly anyone significant in the circle was at Tone’s family cookouts anymore by that point. They were six feet under instead or damn near about to be. :francis:

@Lootpack what season/s would you say the crew was in their prime?
 

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I meant to respond to this way earlier but honestly the crew was washed in season 1, ep 1. The entire series is one big fall off of the mob and specifically the Sopranos crime family.

The first (or maybe one of the first, but it was early in season 1) convos Tony had with Melfi he acknowledges that "things are trending downward" and that his best days are behind him.

Fred.
 

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there are some problematic black characters in the show but one could say that about all groups portrayed in the Sopranos as it's a show from 20 years ago. Even italians were hot about the show and its portrayals. I'll say this, Dutton was and is the most upright moral character in the entire show, and after that episode we really start to see the moral decay of Tony.

Meadow's half black boyfriend while annoying also show that the folks Tony thought beneath him and his family are way ahead and really shouldn't want anything to do with his family. You also had the black doctor who vouched for Tony about Ade not giving him head in the car crash. Then you also have the entire psychology at play when Tony blamed Black guys for jumping him when he actually had a panic attack due to a fight with his mother leading to the lil bit of beef him and his cousin Tony had. Race is a big part of the show and Tony's character. Some of the black characters had nuance for as little time as they had. I would say that Black characters overall got more of a fair shake than some other groups. I mean the only latinos I can remember being on the show were Melfi's rapist, the 1 colombian who got shot (refrying beans with Escobar), & the mexicans Paulie robber for the money in the dishwasher:russ:

I meant to respond to this way earlier but honestly the crew was washed in season 1, ep 1. The entire series is one big fall off of the mob and specifically the Sopranos crime family.

The first (or maybe one of the first, but it was early in season 1) convos Tony had with Melfi he acknowledges that "things are trending downward" and that his best days are behind him.

Fred.

the show really is an allegory for the Gen X and how they never could live up to baby boomers or deal with the damage they (bb) did to them. It's similar to Mad Men in a certain way of discussing America
 
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I think Butch was frustrated with Phil trying to rule the family while he was in hiding, and maybe becoming too power crazy as boss. Phil was annoyed with Butch and wanted a sitdown because they weren’t able to kill Tony. And maybe Butch figured he could rule with Phil out the picture.

I don’t know, it seemed kind of rushed to me. I would understand it more if they made more of a point to show that they were hurting financially at the time. But they didn’t show that, they actually said NY was taking over some of NJ’s business




if i remember the plan was to kill the top 3 guys and then do business with whoever was left, they made their move but they only killed bobby and possibly sil once its dragged longer and they couldnt get tony it was just bad for business, butchie just wanted to move on cause it was hurting his pockets probably and didnt give a shyt what happened to phil if he died he would probably be in line to be boss anyway :manny:
 

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Ralphie had to go.

Despite the fact he was a great earner, he was a sociopath, besides Tony didn't kill him.

Just took care of the mess.

My only beef was that Tony killed Christopher not because he was a dope fiend, because he caught feelings about fukking and having his chick killed.

Tony was shook. Especially after Chris's movie premiere. And Paulie was going catch it too after that panty sniffing weirdo shyt.
Nah, youre thinking of Richie who Janice smoked.
 
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