The Seminole Wars...No the Gullah Wars. A war oblivious to African Americans

[MostReal]

Did you read through the whole link? Because some of the stuff said is just

just about all of it. I think I made it to the ending of the gag rule & the 'Lincoln' Emancipation Proclamation. I read all of the Seminole Wars though, fascinating stuff.

I learned of John Horse while watching one of Dr. Claud Anderson vids, when I fact checked it I ran across that link.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

just about all of it. I think I made it to the ending of the gag rule & the 'Lincoln' Emancipation Proclamation. I read all of the Seminole Wars though, fascinating stuff.

Agreed.

 

[MostReal]

John Horse is THAT DUDE breh, he's a black hero that should be championed like MLK & Malcom X is.
He did tangible things that affect us today. One could argue he is the reason for our freedom from slavery.

I wish I could see a Blockbuster film done on him the right way...it would truly be special.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Good Claude Anderson video.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

John Horse is THAT DUDE breh, he's a black hero that should be championed like MLK & Malcom X is.
He did tangible things that affect us today. One could argue he is the reason for our freedom from slavery.

I wish I could see a Blockbuster film done on him the right way...it would truly be special.

Not trying to sound all I was thinking about writing a historical fictional story on the Black Seminoles(or a story about Songhai or the Candance Queens of Meroe), but writing historical fictions is very hard.

Yeah John Horse SHOULD be championed along the likes of MLK and X. And he SHOULD be mentioned more in black history month. Its a shame he's not and its a shame there isn't a film about the black Seminoles...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

This thread

Forgot to respond to this post.


I don't know about DNA studies on the Gullah But they are most definitely African Americans. They're just African Americans who retained their African culture but you have to ask how?

Gullah descend from the same Africans as any other Afram but they're more African genetically and since they come from the Carolinas/Georgia/Florida they larger input of Winward Coast, Senegambian and Angolan than let's say Virginia which had more Igbo/South Eastern Nigerian.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

This thread





Gullah descend from the same Africans as any other Afram but they're more African genetically and since they come from the Carolinas/Georgia/Florida they larger input of Winward Coast, Senegambian and Angolan than let's say Virginia which had more Igbo/South Eastern Nigerian.

Glad we got an actually Gullah on here. Think there were some others in this thread. Also do you live near Savannah, GA? Last time I was there it was

But I know Gullah's live in more areas than Savannah, GA obviously.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Glad we got an actually Gullah on here. Think there were some others in this thread. Also do you live near Savannah, GA? Last time I was there it was

But I know Gullah's live in more areas than Savannah, GA obviously.

Im from NY but my roots are North-South Carolina, Florida, Maryland and Virginia.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Im from NY but my roots are North-South Carolina, Florida, Maryland and Virginia.

Born in NY and so is my mother, but my family on my mothers side roots are in North Carolina.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Connecting the Dots:

By the 1720s, the presence of their former slaves in Florida -- armed and free, no less -- thoroughly incensed the British planters. Free Spanish blacks, they insisted, were inciting their slaves to rebel, raiding their plantations, even conducting massacres. "Wee formerly complained of their receiveing and harbouring all our runaway negroes," wrote the President of the South Carolina Colonial Assembly in 1728, "but since that they have found out a new way of sending our own slaves against us, to rob and plunder us."

Like I said the first "underground railroad" was to head south. Florida was just a hopscotch away from South Carolina(Gullah homeland and start of Gullah/Seminole war). When those free slaves went to Florida, they most likely gained military skill. Possibly giving rise to John Horse.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

A good quote...

Cementing African-Spanish ties even further, in 1738, the residents of St. Augustine established Fort Mose (Moh-say), a military garrison manned by fugitive slaves and free blacks. The garrison and its accompanying town formed the first legally sanctioned free black community in the present-day United States. Mose was the first line of defense against the British colonies. Its black warriors promised King Charles,

"[T]hat we shall at all times be the most cruel enemies of the English; and that we shall risk our lives in service to Your Majesty until spilling the last drop of our blood in defense of the Great Crown of Spain and Our Holy Faith."

 

[MostReal]

A good quote...

was this what eventually became Fort Negro?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

was this what eventually became Fort Negro?

Fort Moses.

Britain took action against the maroons during the North American phase of the War of Jenkins’ Ear (1739-1742), when British forces under Colonel James Oglethorpe attempted to take St. Augustine, capture its free blacks, and destroy Mose. The English King directed his orders specifically at the black fugitives of Florida, instructing Oglethorpe to,

"Spare no personal labor nor danger towards freeing Carolina of a place from whence their Negroes were encouraged to massacre their masters and were openly harbored after such attempts."

The British captured and briefly held Fort Mose, but the Negroes fought hard to regain it. In a decisive battle in 1740, the blacks retook Mose, killing 75 British soldiers in the process. British agents were especially dispirited to report the discovery of decapitated and mutilated corpses on the scene, revealing the bitter end of their countrymen.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

The first fortress at Mose was destroyed in the fighting of the 1740s, but another was rebuilt in 1752. Throughout this period, despite a series of coordinated British attacks, the black warriors of Mose were never conclusively defeated. They ably defended St. Augustine, repulsing the armies of their former masters. Word of their courage spread to the British plantations. For desperate slaves to the north, Mose secured a fortress of hope.

^^^Very interesting...

All this connects to the Gullah/Seminole Wars...

And then this happened:

Throughout the 1700s, meanwhile, the British pursued a number of policies to recover fugitives from Florida. They offered scalp bounties to Indian slave hunters.* In 1732, they founded Georgia as a free state, hoping that its all-white towns would serve as a useful buffer between the Carolinas and Florida. Finally, in 1763, European intrigues accomplished what the British slaveholders could not: under the Treaty of Paris, Spain ceded Florida to England.

Giving rise to the underground railroad as we know it and John Horse.

 

[MostReal]

breh @KidStranglehold

Pawging has been used against us for quite some time. brehs got to resist the kryptonite of PAWGS

"It is confidently hoped," wrote one journalist, "that ten years intercourse with the whites has so far corrupted and demoralized the Seminoles as to make them incapable of protracted resistance." If war should come, predicted the editors of the Niles Register,
"[T]he miserable creatures will be speedily swept from the face of the earth."